Emory ED1/ED2 Class of 2022

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@sdteak

Your daughter might want to investigate Emory’s undergraduate business degree (Goizueta School), which Emory students may take part in as second semester sophomores, juniors and seniors.
http://goizueta.emory.edu/degree/undergraduate/admissions/index.html

Here’s some data on its placement rates undergraduates who receive a business BBA:
http://goizueta.emory.edu/degree/undergraduate/career_management/placement_statistics/index.html

Ranking of undergraduate business programs
https://www.bloomberg.com/features/2016-best-undergrad-business-schools/

The field of humanities is, of course, very broad but your daughter might want to consider Emory’s Interdisciplinary Studies and QSS programs. Not all schools have them and they are well done

Interdisciplinary Studies
http://ila.emory.edu/programs/majors/interdisciplinary-studies.html

http://www.bestcolleges.com/features/top-integrative-studies-programs/

QSS
"Emory University in Atlanta has created a degree that marries traditionally qualitative disciplines such as anthropology, English and history with math and statistics. Economist Cliff Carrubba, who created the program in 2014, said his goal isn’t just to better equip students to master large data sets—it is to save the liberal arts.

“There has been an explosion in data and there’s a huge demand for people who know how to harness it,” he said. “Most students coming out of the liberal arts have at best a consumer’s knowledge of basic statistics, but they’re rarely trained to rigorously and effectively answer questions using data.”

If they can master those skills, they are significantly more valuable in several industries that are being transformed by the data measuring human behavior generated by email, web tracking and cellphones."

“Ten years ago, marketing was pretty pictures,” says Jennifer Harmel, a vice president at Annuitas, an Atlanta company that builds long-term marketing campaigns and has interviewed some of Dr. Carrubba’s students for internships. “Today, it’s all about numbers and we have a hard time finding people who can understand both the numbers and the softer side of things.”

Isabel Goddard, a junior majoring in cultural anthropology, entered Emory planning to avoid math. But she quickly came to see the limits of qualitative research. When she heard about the Dr. Carrubba’s program, she dipped a toe into a statistics class and struggled, but she has stuck with it.

“If you can’t use the data, you’re at huge disadvantage,” she said. “It’s a whole different level of research.”
https://www.wsj.com/articles/liberal-arts-colleges-in-fight-for-survival-focus-on-job-skills-1493051024

Good luck to your D2.

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@VANDEMORY1342 : And if every pre-med student at Emory cared about their training, most students would also go through a pressure cooker experience as well. Emory just offers the choice for students not to, to their own detriment in most cases. A more successful student at Emory will likely have a similar pre-med experience as a WUSTL student and that is just the truth. Pressure cooker vs. non should not sway any parent or student unless “pressure-cooker” involves cut-throat competition, which I do not believe WUSTL is known for out of fairness.

@sdteak : Do not say anything about prospects of Emory being easier for a pre-med vs. WUSTL. If she comes with that mindset, she will aim low in her pre-med training, which again, most of the successful pre-meds at Emory I know/knew do/did not. Come in with the idea that she can get equal or better training in some areas (and not only know that she can, but plans to make sure she does) and that they have plenty of differences but also many similarities. Emory is definitely the more “liberal artsy” of the two (WUSTL has several more undergraduate schools outside of Arts and Letters. Emory has two LAC like units, ECAS and Oxford and then only the business and nursing school).

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@bernie12 Okay, I’m confused. Why is everyone assuming my daughter is pre-med?! The original post said she was undecided and I later stated that she is considering business/humanities. I don’t think I said anything about prospects of Emory being easier for a pre-med. For the record, she has ZERO interest in pre-med, lol!

Thank you for mentioning the interdisciplinary studies/QSS/business programs. I’m going to share your info with my husband because he is jittery about a humanities major. She is planning to visit again this fall and we will learn more!

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@sdteak One last thought. If your daughter is worried about her math standardized test scores, she might consider retaking the SAT Math II if she thinks she can do better on it. The pool of students who take the SAT Math II exam is skewed towards those with better preparation in math and so the curve on that exam is tough.

http://www.collegeboard.com/prod_downloads/highered/ra/sat/SAT_subject_tests_percentile_ranks.pdf

As you can see, a score of 700 on the SAT Math II is at the 56%.

Because many schools don’t super score the ACT, retaking that exam just to get a higher math score might not make sense.

If you do visit Atlanta with your D2, you might consider visiting both the Atlanta and Oxford campuses at Emory. They’re both part of Emory but the Oxford campus has a different feel to the community and much smaller class sizes.

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@sdteak: I could have been mistaking some comments about someone else, but it got brought so I assumed folks were referring to you because I didn’t look at the whole thread. Also, I just felt the need to kind of refute that comment made by a poster. It could only do harm in terms of recruiting for any of these elites. I actually do see some students on other threads essentially throw in such remarks (especially in regards to things like pre-med or pre-business) subtly hinting at the idea of: “Hey, well it is supposedly easier to get high grades here, so you should maybe avoid that other school you are considering”. To me, that is a slippery slope that attracts a bunch of good students with the idea that they should work and think less hard than they would at a similar school which is extremely problematic. The fact is, if you are aiming for a position in a competitive (or even simply one that most attending these schools find satisfying) career or post-grad opportunity, chances are the place that ensures more students are working very hard in an area will have more success regardless of if there are many stressful or unhappy times.

If you recruit those who are attracted to working less hard than elsewhere, it will lead to a self-fulfilling prophecy and when students do run into academic challenges (as they should), they will be upset. Getting caught off guard happens so many times (go look at some of these threads mainly at other schools where students constantly come on and talk about looking for easy classes are complaining about how something is academically challenging and that they didn’t do well on an assignment or exam. I am very confused at the expectation. Was it that the elite private or public should be a high school cruise fest again simply because they had high scores and a great GPA in HS?) at these schools because people come in with an idea that they should cruise (or not be as stressed) often relative to another place (some deemed as more academically stressful) just because of their HS background. Because of such expectations, you get several students from elite schools claiming they experience “grade deflation” (the fact is, they got caught off guard and didn’t expect to work as hard as they are). Emory and WUSTL currently have mostly a spirit of: “Things can get rough sometimes and I am willing to and expect to work very hard at times but I won’t constantly complain”. I don’t want to see Emory or them start to get an ever increasing amount of students with a different attitude/expectation, and I definitely do not want CC threads to play a role in recruiting such peopel. Let those people go elsewhere.

I digress With that said, if she is considering business, figure out how hardcore business she wants to be. I believe WUSTL has a 4 year program and Emory definitely has a two year program. If your daughter is more interested in exploring the humanities in some capacity before committing to business, then a 2 year system may offer advantages because it could be easier to dig into a doubt major. Also, I am wondering if you have to apply directly to Olin, in which case it is very stats sensitive whereas if she applies to Emory, she can really only apply to the College which is nowhere near as stats sensitive as any of Wash U’s units. The QSS major should definitely help her and Emory is very serious about it. I personally jittery about a business major. I feel like they learn many practical things, but that most business programs only have one type of rigor. Students do not learn as much math and writing as someone who stays in the liberal arts unit of a college. With QSS she can learn and get great at both while still remaining relevant and competitive for good paying jobs (including some of those accessible to business and Techie STEM majors as she will do lots of math, learn to code, and get exposure to several types of computing). In my opinion, if you want a well-rounded, rigorous education that is interdisciplinary in nature, QSS may be the new route to go. GBS and other top business schools will certainly maintain their allure because they get independent ranks and shine, but I generally think that Tech-based training of any kind (even with a humanities slant) affords more flexibility from the get go. Most of the folks who went into Wall Street Finance or things like Google after getting a BBA from GBS had a second major or a minor in something like CS or math. However, if she and your husband really want to play it safe, GBS is rolling out its QSS concentration soon.

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@bernie12 Thank you SO much. The posts have been very useful!

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I’m applying ED I, please chance me or give me any thoughts you have!
ACT: 34 (35 S, 34 M, 34 R, 34 E)
SAT II: didn’t take any
Unweighted GPA (out of 4.0): 4.0
Weighted GPA: 5.04
Rank (percentile if rank is unavailable): 30/680 (Rank is based off weighted GPA) Top 5%

of AP classes : AP Psychology (5), AP Human Geography (4), AP Environmental Science (5), AP Macroeconomics (4), AP Computer Science A (3, probably won't send this score)

Taking AP Chemistry, AP Biology, and AP Statistics this year

Major Awards (USAMO, Intel etc.): None important

SUBJECTIVE:
(Short Phrases/ one word answers appreciated)

Extracurricular activities (place leadership in parenthesis):
-Acrobatics 9/10 grade
-JV Field Hockey Sophomore Year
-Math Honors Society (11-12)
-National Honors Society (11-12)
-National Technical Honors Society (11-12)
-Science National Honors Society (12)
-Involved in like 2 other clubs at my school (9-12)

Work Experience/Community service:
Camp Counselor (10-11)
Leadership Staff Member (was promoted from being a camp counselor, took on more responsibilities) (12)
Volunteered at the hospital (10-11)
Will graduate with 100 hours (currently at 75)
Volunteered for an organization that raises money for Breast Cancer (9-12)

Essays: Average

Teacher/ Counselor Recommendation: Should be good?

OTHER:

Applied for Financial Aid?: Yes
Intended Major: Pre-med track, double major in biology and psychology
Domestic or International (state or country in parenthesis): Domestic, out of state
Race and/or Ethnicity: Caucasian
Gender: Female
Income Bracket:
Hooks (URM, first generation college, Recruited Athlete, Famous, High Donar):

Other Schools you are applying to: UVA, UCLA, UNC Chapel Hill
General Comments: Worried about my lack of leadership and school/community involvement

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@emorydreams
Emory is a Match, maybe high match mainly due to Rank and GPA they love to see that. However don’t be surprised if Emory wait list you though, I have no faith in admissions tbh. I would visit to seal the deal.
Phycology at Emory is actually quite difficult as it’s very research and Neuroscience heavy. Double majoring is not the best idea in my opinion. I think just picking one (hopefully phycology) and really specializing in it is the best advice I can give you especially due to different concentrations offered like quantitative science and analytics.

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@VANDEMORY1342 and @emorydreams :double majoring depends. If pre-med, maybe not. If not, let them have it. Even if pre-med, they can either a) dodge the challenging psychology courses (though those are actually the most interesting by a mile) and engage their bio major or the reverse (it may be, in fact, easier to dodge hard biology courses than it is to dodge the psychology courses, though it may be at the expense of MCAT score optimization). They can also just do psyche and a BA in bio and select a couple of the best elective courses or something like that.

*Honestly, I would probably just split the middle and go NBB. Have the cake and eat it too. The neuro core will provide excellent training in a mixture of behavioral(201) and psychobiological (302) topics (decently interdisciplinary training so is useful for MCAT prep), plus some neurophys (301, 401) and then the electives picked could either slant towards biology or psychology depending on what is preferred intellectually.

Actually too bad you are pre-med, you wouldn’t really have to worry about all this if you weren’t.

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Hi, I was wondering what my chances of getting accepted into Emory EDI are? GPA Weighted (No 7+ points and is based on 4.0 weighted scale) 4.18

State: Georgia Male Resident

SAT Score: 1450 (M: 780, R/W: 670) One sitting

Course Rigor: IB Diploma Student, and will have 18 AP/IB courses by graduation… (IB is most rigorous program in school)

I had 6 or 7 B’s from grades 9-11, therefore my unweighted GPA is a 3.65. However, with my plentiful AP/IB courses it is a 4.18 Weighted GPA

MAJOR: ECONOMICS/FINANCE/BUSINESS (somewhere around there)

I will have 10 IB classes and 8 AP classes by graduation, and I have completed AP Statistics, AP Chemistry, AP Physics 1, AP Calculus AB, IB Biology, AP Literature (some of the hard classes)

Also I am taking SAT Math II Subject test in October and am aiming for 730+

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@GoDawgs123
You definitely have a great chance especially given your particular demographic. What BBA concentration are you considering? What is your Emory EFC?
ED1- Low Reach

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Thanks. I haven’t calculated EFC yet, but my family income is 150K + so I don’t know if I will get that much aid.

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@GoDawgs12 Emory has a large population of students from the southeast but that’s probably because Emory receives a lot of applications from that region not because Emory favors students from there.

Your GPA is below average - more so at Emory College than at Oxford College. Your chances are probably better at Oxford assuming you’re able to craft an appropriate essay explaining why.

What are your extracurriculars?

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@emorydreams

I recommend applying to both the Atlanta and Oxford campuses at Emory University ED1. You’re allowed to do that without penalty. The two campuses are different. Oxford is much smaller with smaller class sizes and is located in a small town. It has much more of a small liberal arts college feel.

However, Oxford does offer excellent preparation for premeds interested in biology and psychology.

Why have you not taken on more leadership roles and what do you plan to do about it going forward? Might be something you talk about in an essay.

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@BiffBrown
I’m sure his class rigor would compensate for his lower GPA.

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@VANDEMORY1342 I know Emory doesn’t waitlist a lot of people especially during EDI and EDII but it’s possible. Would it be better to major in bio and minor in psychology since both programs are difficult in their respective ways? I know a lot of students at Emory either double major or major and minor and I don’t want to penalize myself when applying to med schools just because I didn’t minor/double major. I’ve also visited campus but I know emory doesnt account for demonstrated interest so I didn’t mention that on the application.

@bernie12 How difficult would a NBB major be? More difficult than double majoring in bio and psych or majoring in bio and minoring in psych? Is there any advantage in a NBB major over a basic B.S. when it comes to med schools or the MCAT?

@BiffBrown I really don’t want to attend Oxford just because the population is only over 1,000 students and my high school is about 2,700 students so it would feel way too small compared to where I’m coming from. Honestly, I don’t have a lot of leadership because my high school is so large and its difficult to get positions but I can’t mention that because it’s kind of a cop out answer. I definitely want to get involved on campus once I’m in college but I’m not sure how to convey that in my essays.

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@emorydreams: Should not matter if it is harder so much as it being better. I would quickly get out of the mindset of choosing a certain major to cater to med. schools. They don’ t care. I recommend NBB because of your personal interests and the good training it provides in the core courses across a range of topics, which is good for your MCAT score and most importantly YOU. Rarely do STEM majors require a class where reading and writing about primary literature (which means DEEPLY understanding raw research data…exactly what MCAT passages emphasize) is at the center of a course and this helps you immensely whether you go into medicine or science. NBB 301 is a rigorous (or can be depending on who teaches it) interdisciplinary course that gives you exposure to the biology, physics, and chemistry to learn about neurophysiological processes. Again, MCAT sections present problems more integrated across multiple disciplines and any student being trained or getting a modern training in a STEM major should have such exposure. The weakness of biology and psychology alone is that they afford almost too much freedom. They are so flexible that you can easily fall into the trap of constantly giving yourself weak courses and professors. NBB has a core with a fixed curriculum (some teachers may deliver content and test differently but the content and style of thinking per often is similar) to ensure all students going through the major get a minimum threshold of competence. The other two, beyond the intro. sequence effectively allow you to “dance around” courses that would impart useful skills or expose you to the level of STEM thinking you need to be successful on an MCAT or in research for that matter.

With NBB, you get are guaranteed a diverse and strong foundation, and then electives are plentiful and flexible. You can choose to do them in psychology, anthropology, biology, the NBB program itself, physics, whatever department offering a course that NBB counts as an elective. Since Emory does not have BME major (or any real engineering major), NBB is the next best thing and students are challenged in a good way and typically do well on the MCAT largely because of the interdisciplinary training they get and the fact that there is more quality control over the courses. Like the upper division electives actually housed or originating from NBB are usually taught using modern methods. You don’t just sit in a lecture hall and memorize facts about a topic having to do with the brain. Most teach you such courses expose you to case studies featuring research data directly related to disease, so you get to immediately apply that 301 foundation even before taking 401 (you may take electives well before you complete all NBB electives but usually the 370/470 special topics originating from NBB at minimum set NBB 301 as pre-requisite and trust me, it is for the best considering the level of some intermediate and special topics courses in biology which only require bio 141/142. The NBB courses are more consistently useful and research focused).

NBB would likely be easier than pursuing both a psyche and a biology as one of its purposes is to integrate the two and make it easier for students to essentially pursue both. To me, the biology major is cliche and over-rated. I’ll admit that many biology instructors (mainly lecturers) have more useful courses and teaching methods than I’ve seen at some near peers, but there are still too many classes and professors that I think provide a questionable level of academics. Like there are I swear a few courses that you could take cold without taking bio 141 and 142 or AP because they are the purest of memorization and material is not taught or tested in a way that builds upon prior knowledge. This usually results in many people gaining confidence from getting easy As in what is essentially an advanced version of high school level learning (sadly this is basically the norm at some of Emory’s peers. The good classes I described are much more exceptional in those contexts) and then are surprised when MCAT prep is extra difficult. The fact is, they likely forgot the content (students in biology usually do not retain content for long periods of time if they were primarily expected to recall/regurgitate information) and never learned how to problem solve in the discipline. NBB is like: Biology + problem solving, research applications, and tons of electives to choose from including the psyche courses you may be interested in.

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SAT: (8/26/17) 1410/1600 (11/4/17) ______
SAT Subject: Biology (10/7/17) ____ Math 2 (10/7/17)____
Math 2 (12/2/2017)____ Bio (12/2/17)____
Unweighted GPA: 3.94
Weighted GPA: 4.31
GPA (including Senior 1st Semester): (anticipated Weighted GPA 4.37)
Class Rank: 2
AP classes: Psychology, Calculus AB, Chemistry, World History, Biology
Senior Course Load: AP English Language and Composition, AP U.S. Government and Politics, AP Statistics, AP Computer Science Principles, Honors Anatomy and Physiology, Independent Study, Military Science IV
Extracurricular Activities:

  1. Drill Team – 4 years; Team Captain Junior Year & Team Adviser Senior Year
    Area Champion, State Champion in Armed Exhibition, National Drill Competition Participation
  2. Color Guard/Honor Guard – 4years; Commander Sophomore Year & Adviser Junior-Senior Year
    NASCAR Folds of Honor QuikTrip 500 (3 years)
  3. Raider Team – 3 years; C Team Leader
    RMA Raider Team won three consecutive National Championships
  4. National Honor Society & Horton Honor Society & National Historian Club & National Science Honor Society & Peer Tutoring & Concert Band (percussion)
  5. Recycling Club Organizer: Senior Year
    To increase environmental awareness in RMA community, we placed blue recycling bins and bottle-shaped trash cans. Also we are augmenting the size of the club to create more green activities.
  6. Korean International Club President: 4 years
  7. Library Forum: Senior year

Key Award:
A. JROTC Sons of the American Revolution (SAR) Enhanced Essay Overall 2nd Place (Feb. 2017)
B. JROTC Scholastic Excellence Medal – The American Legion (May 2017)
C. Georgia Certificate of Merit (May 2017; Top 5% in Junior Class)

Volunteer/Community Service: Senior Center, Color Guard events, Recycling Club, Folds of Honor, math peer tutoring, Veteran’s Day Parade
Job/Work Experience:
1 Waseda Medical Clinic (Gangnam-gu, South Korea) – Ward/Nurse Assistant
1.1 06/01/2015 – 07/20/2015 & 06/01/2016 – 07/20/2016 & 06/01/2017 – 07/20/2017 (5 months)
2 Part-Time Job at Convenience Store (7/11)
2.1 06/01/2017 – 06/30/2017 (4 weeks)
Summer Activities: Model UN 2015(Finland Secretary), Raider Camp, Leadership Camp
Other: Accomplished all academic achievement in Army JROTC environment, while serving as a Company First Sergeant of Bravo Co., responsible for sixty cadets’ welfare. As a result, I became not only the Battalion Executive Officer – Second in Command and Chief of Battalion Staff – but I also mentored my platoon sergeants and squad leaders to become key leaders in the battalion, including two Company Commanders (Bravo & Foxtrot) and two Company First Sergeants (Bravo & Delta).
Financial Aid Need: Yes
Ethnicity: Asian, male
Income Bracket: 100k +

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@cadet1

Your December 2017 test results will not be available in time for ED1.

Your ROTC background is different in potentially a good way. Do you plan to continue that at Emory College?

The major weakness to your application is the SAT1 score, which is low by Emory and Oxford standards. The GPA and class rank are excellent, however, and act as a counterweight.

Your chances will be substantially higher in ED1.

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@BiffBrown : Emory’s SAT reporting system is a little weird. If it was what they reported in April, the SAT 1 is a tad low, if it is what they have on the admissions website now, then it is probably fine. The issue is, I am thinking the numbers on the admissions website right now include waitlisted numbers which is more honest than other schools, but also makes the numbers less informative at the same time (they should really just leave the earlier, higher numbers up to clearly demonstrate the types of numbers non-waitlisted admits have. I think those are in the new admissions booklets/publications the admissions website put up which have earlier dates of record).

@cadet1 : Are any of the already taken APs good in terms of the scores? If so put the scores. It will give further meaning to the strong GPA (basically, are you mainly able to pass what may be your instructors easier exams, or can you also kill what may be the harder AP/IB style finals. It will perhaps give them some idea of your instructor versus the expectations on those exams).