<p>Maybe that’s why I haven’t gotten it yet. Mail’s a bit slow here sometimes.</p>
<p>And impetuous, I have to say I kind of (selfishly) agree.</p>
<p>shhhh guys! delete this thread and don’t tell anyone!</p>
<p>just kidding. but we really are going to have more competition if the extension is 3 weeks… :(</p>
<p>To be clear: I do not want to start an Affirmative Action debate (but I can’t resist).</p>
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<p>If an apology is what you are looking for, ask for an apology. Has your son, however, suffered from the institution of slavery, a practice which has not been in the US for close to 150 years? I am sure you are opposed to slavery because the idea of someone being judged solely on the color of his skin is just ridiculous. After all, the children have no say in the manner, they are born into it!</p>
<p>And yet…you are perfectly fine with your son reaping the benefits of something he was born into. Seems a bit hypocritical if you ask me.</p>
<p>Before you yell at me, I am not bashing affirmative action in the slightest. I am bashing UofICPA’s reason for supporting it. Affirmative action is meant to bring diversity to college campuses. I say kudos to that. But to say injustices that were done 150 years ago should have an effect on college admissions today–I cannot support that. </p>
<p>By the way, what is your stance on reverse discrimination against Asian-Americans in college admissions? The US put them in internment campus during WWII, and yet they now have a * disadvantage * in college admissions. Are they not “victims” as well? Why are you not outraged?</p>
<p>I live on the West Coast–as far away as you can get from Dartmouth unless you live in Hawaii or Alaska. I think that you would have gotten the letter by now…</p>
<p>For the most part, I think they only sent it to URMs (I have an Asian friend who didn’t get one) since it was sent from Admission outreach. Looking at older threads, it appears that it was sent to URMs as well, so maybe its URMs + Asians?</p>
<p>UofICPA–give me a freakin’ break!! Get over it. This is exactly why I respect colleges like Hillsdale. Because they admit based on an applicants merits, not the color of their skin.</p>
<p>have to agree with ccuser18 on this one.</p>
<p>Well said, ccuser18.</p>
<p>Ok… we can’t let this descend into yet another CC thread on the merits/pitfalls of AA. UofICPA, AA is not designed as reparations for slavery, or injustices, or anything to that effect. Nobody alive had anything to do for those issues, therefore, we cannot be held accountable for them, just as you seek to be rewarded for pains you personally never have suffered, or else you would never fail to make this distinction. Slavery was not “free labor”, and the morals of the time approved of the practice, even if only a small minority of Caucasians ever made use of it, now our entire race is made to suffer for its outcome. The government sanctioned discrimination which you mention was only prevalent in certain areas, which you could have avoided, and once people recongized that was wrong as well, it was abolished. Again, it was a practice which, as a child of a Northern family, my parents or grand-parents never knew or approved of, yet in the South it was a reality, and I will not deny that. Therefore, I ask you, if it is reward for all those unjustices, would AA be fair? No. Most people never committed those crimes; my family never held slaves, nor discriminated against African-Americans, yet I too have to face the beast that is AA, but thankfully, AA is not based on this premise.</p>
<p>AA is to keep these schools as a microcosm of the real, complete world. AA is designed to try and make the numbers of African-American students at these schools proportional to their presence in the Nation. AA has been shown to aid in class and community building, by giving schools a complete sense of value, and it helps in giving the school a valuable degree of socio-economic diversity. We must always remember that is the purpose of AA. </p>
<p>You will never get an apology out of me for a crime I have not committed, but I shall always be open to creating a more perfect class at a school, and that is what AA is really all about.</p>
<p>What? I never got a letter like that. I applied on the 28th of December.
I guess the applicant pool is really tiny this year ):
haha I actually think it’s too bad that they’re extending the deadline, since that means more competition for all the people who applied for the “regular” deadline.</p>
<p>“Slavery was not “free labor”, and the morals of the time approved of the practice, even if only a small minority of Caucasians ever made use of it, now our entire race is made to suffer for its outcome.”</p>
<p>You suffer… because you’re white?.. Most of your post made me cringe, so I’m not going to respond to it, but I will say this: by “reparations,” UofICPA did not mean that anybody living today is responsible for slavery or directly suffers because of it. Here are some statistics:</p>
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<p>Blacks today haven’t personally experienced slavery, but hopefully you can acknowledge that a considerable amount of black kids still grow up in poverty (because after slavery was abolished, nothing was done to help the emancipated slaves.) “Increasing diversity” also means educating a larger percentage–or, as you said, making “the numbers of African-American students at these schools proportional to their presence in the Nation”–so fewer people are born into a poverty that they can’t escape.</p>
<p>Shaking my head at some of the posts here because if the best and the brightest this country has to offer are represented on this website, our country still has a long way to go in facing up to it ignoble past.</p>
<p>One needs not to have “personally owned a slave” to have gained an advantage from the peculiar institution, even if it was generations ago. Apparently the concept of generational wealth and transference and that of what sociologists call “white privilege” is not on your radar:</p>
<p>[White</a> Privilege: Unpacking the Invisible Knapsack by Peggy McIntosh](<a href=“http://www.amptoons.com/blog/files/mcintosh.html]White”>http://www.amptoons.com/blog/files/mcintosh.html) </p>
<p>you might also want to read Paula Rothenberg’s “White Privilege - Essential Readings on the Other Side of Racism”.</p>
<p>And heck yes, I have no problem with my son reaping the benefit he, in your words, did not earn. I reject that notion that he did not earn it. He earned it from his great-great grandfather who sharecropped a cotton patch of land in Mississippi for pennies and was annually cheated by the white land owner come settlement time; he earned it from the work of his great grandfather who in seeing the disparity and inequity of such a system spoke out against it and paid for it by becoming a part of a crop of “Strange Fruit” that grew from the trees in Mississippi; he earned it from his grandfather that was denied membership into a trade union based on the color of his skin which severely reduced his earning power and ability to send his children to private schools; he earned it from me his father that had to attend inferior public schools in an urban city because resources were channeled to schools in the white parts of town; and against that historical backdrop, a bump in the admissions process does not even begin make good on generations of oppression. So cry your “woe is me” “angry white male” venom elsewhere. It does not resonate here.</p>
<p>ccuser18 for the win</p>
<p>@UofICPA </p>
<p>You seem to have avoided the question regarding the Asians, which have been historically discriminated against – and are still discriminated against in college admissions today.</p>
<p>Amen, ccuser18 for the win</p>
<p>@UofICPA
Nobody is bashing Affirmative Action here; we support it because it adds to diversity, but also because we recognize that kids living in harder conditions become intelligent beyond books: they bring a diversity in perspective that goes beyond skin color, which is important in forming a class. Your need to be compensated for the history of discrimination is something that I have felt on many occasions as Asians, but I would never say that my own culture’s history ENTITLES me to anything. I entitle myself to everything I want by working for it, but my culture stands as my core root as a point to learn on, not to pity myself to death.</p>
<p>As an Asian, I must say the feeling of getting into college despite the competition and smaller acceptance rate FEELS BETTER because I know that it is based on my merits, and not legacy or donations. The only way that your son can ‘earn’ it is if he personally worked for it, not you. My parents suffered from the things that you suffered from, which is type-III state schools due to circumstances, so I do sympathize with you. However, as a student, what I take away from my family and cultural history that is not a false sense of ‘reparation’, but hope for building a better future for all of us. </p>
<p>You need to wake up from the ‘damn right i deserve it and nobody can tell me anything else’ attitude, because if life worked so illogically, I should be entitled to not even study at all because my great-grandparents were shot trying to save my grandfather. But duh, it doesn’t work that way. and I’m 18 and i know it.</p>
<p>sigh…add Mathematcism to the list of another Sean Hannity in the making . At least Hannity has an excuse, his ignorance is based on not having ever attended college, being a housepainter who got lucky and studied from the Joseph Goebbels school of appealing to basest emotions of the masses. </p>
<p>I will let Asians fight their own battles. My plate is full with the issues facing my own people.
But just for food for thought, maybe the Asians should take the path Jewish students did when it was deemed that “too many” were skewing the admit pool at top colleges back in the day.</p>
<p>@Tangerine - please check back with an update when you are old enough to vote or purchase a drink. The in depth analysis of someone that is still a tax deduction on their parents income tax does not resonate that deeply with me.</p>
<p>@ UofICPA - and a constructive use of your precious time is used to argue with high-schoolers over a forum? You’re the definition of bigotry</p>
<p>No, he or she is most definitely not even close to the definition of bigotry.</p>
<p>Yeah, ccuser18 for the win. </p>
<p>I personally think it’s hypocritical to declare that your son “earned” anything from the suffering of his forefathers while simultaneously denouncing “inherited white privilege.” Double standards much? </p>
<p>This country does not owe your son anything for what some of its long dead citizens did to his great-great grandfather. He did NOT suffer what they did. Today’s young adults are far removed from the injustices of yesteryear, which is why IMO Affirmitive Action needs to be reexamined. Level the playing field, yes, but at the consequence of taking away from more qualified candidates? I think not.</p>
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<p>What exactly * does * resonate with you? Multiple people present logical, fair arguments, and your counter is that we are merely “young, angry, and privileged whites.”</p>
<p>It is a convenient cop-out. Unfortunately, such an argument does not resonate with me. Stop the name calling; someone who files their own taxes should exhibit some sense of maturity.</p>
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<p>I find your remarks mostly selfish and irrelevant.</p>