<p>I have a question, Slipper, how come you never mention Cornell in your lists, its always lol Columbia, Duke, and Dartmouth. Since when was Cornell not as good as these institutions???</p>
<p>Those were just examples</p>
<p>idk what it is man, Cornell don't get love from CCers. :)</p>
<p>For a change, you and I agree Slipper. Penn is overrated. It is obviously a top 15 university. I personally love Penn and respect it a great deal. But ranking it #4, ahead of Stanford or MIT is a little excessive. Penn is at the same level as Chicago, Columbia, Cornell and Northwestern.</p>
<p>I do not think people need to change their perception of Princeton. Princeton is usually regarded as an equal to Harvard, MIT, Stanford and Yale.</p>
<p>i think rice is at chicago/cornell/northwestern's "level" for sure....</p>
<p>Why is it at the same level? What are you basing this on?</p>
<p>To be general, I think Penn College is in the same category as Columbia, Duke, Dartmouth etc. based on like scores and admit rate</p>
<p>wow, you dukies are some 'insecure' ppl, and always feel the need to compare Duke to the likes of Penn and Columbia.</p>
<p>and btw, thoughtprocess, I was admitted to a bunch of places, Cornell, Northwestern, Chicago, Rice, Duke, Hopkins, but waitlisted at Penn.</p>
<p>how is rice Not at the same level as Chicago/cornell? I think everything about it is at least as good.. and its definitely as selective- if not more selective than Cornell.</p>
<p>well, selectivity yeah, its extremely selective. However, with department strength compared to places like Chicago and Cornell, Rice is not up there. It is really good in the sciences, but in other areas, it is not as respected in academia.</p>
<p>and btw, I think that places that give out merit scholarships are not exactly in the same category as places that don't. For example, Penn and Columbia do not give out academic scholarships, which Duke and Rice do. Duke for example, will give out full tuition scholarships to kids that are H, Y, P material. Without these scholarships, these kids would not be coming to Duke for the most part. Therefore, the top 10 percent of kids at Duke I think would not be there if it weren't for the scholarships they are getting. I mean, who would pass up a full paid scholarship to a place like Duke, I certaintly wouldn't.</p>
<p>whats your issue collegekid?</p>
<p>I was only using the colleges that were ranked near the top but not at the top on the US news rankings - that includes Penn, Dartmouth, Columbia, and Duke. Not Cornell. But if it really makes you feel better, I'll go ahead and mention Cornell too, since no one said it wasn't as good. I was just trying to make a point, not make you feel bad, since I didn't actually say anything controversial.</p>
<p>it has nothing to do with that. If you go look at threads by Duke ppl, all you see is yeah duke is at least as good as Columbia and Penn. I mean, enough already, who cares!!!!!!!!!!!!!!</p>
<p>well, obviously you care, since you seem really worked up about Cornell not being mentioned in examples used on this thread...</p>
<p>And yeah, they say that because Duke's not part of the Ivy League so its reputation hasn't always preceded it.</p>
<p>thethoughtprocess: surprise, surprise: US News uses both selectivity AND SAT scores to make an overall assessment.</p>
<p>hurray! it also uses wacky stuff too though...like alumni contribution, which i guess is ok</p>
<p>College kid are you engineering or A & S</p>
<p>A and Sciences</p>
<p>jose, isn't MIT's acceptance rate and SAT scores higher than both Duke and Penn? The other factors must be pretty significant in the overall ranking too.</p>
<p>what is your pt about SAT scores, that only measures a school's student body to a certain extent. If I was going by pure SAT scores, I would probably be going to Rice next year, which has one of the highest sat ranges of all the schools in question here.</p>