<p>Listen to Tom Lykis</p>
<p>you mean excellent try.
'total population: 0.97 male(s)/female (2008 est.)"</p>
<p>CIA factbook</p>
<p>I believe its 155 million women to 150 million men now in the U.S.</p>
<p>I hope that you guys aren't going into engineering.</p>
<p>150/155 = .9677 or about 0.97.</p>
<p>heh...this thread has officially become "dating statistics." at least we're on the right side of the ratio.</p>
<p>touch'e eagle. i was running on 3 hour of sleep for the past 2 days. my bad. but anyways the point i was trying to make was that you cant generalize an entire group of people.</p>
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PFFFFT. I think saying "most women are selfish" is a bit strong. Most women don't force a man to pay. It was a tradition, and it isn't completely dead yet. Women don't have any control over how fast culture changes, and it certainly wasn't our fault that once upon a time, men were the only ones with jobs and therefore HAD to pay.</p>
<p>Seeing as we're in the 21st century, I don't think there is any reason to think less of a guy if he doesn't pay. Guess what- women can now have jobs too! Hurray! That means we can pay for our own food! A guy can still be a gentleman without spending his entire paycheck on me- that's not fair to him. I care about the guys that I date, I want to treat them fairly.</p>
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<li><p>Super expensive restaurants are an exception. If someone of ANY gender takes his/her date to an expensive restaurant without letting the date voice his/her opinion, then the person that chose the restaurant should be willing to pay. The date might not be able to afford it- I know I wouldn't want to spend 50$ on a meal just for a first date!</p></li>
<li><p>Opening doors are nice, no matter what gender does it. It's polite.</p></li>
<li><p>"Most women are selfish" is only true if you're also in the camp that says "most people are selfish," and I can see the latter being true, which makes the former true as well.
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<p>Awesome post, I 99.9% agree with this; here is where I don't completely agree:</p>
<p>"Most women don't force a man to pay. It was a tradition, and it isn't completely dead yet. Women don't have any control over how fast culture changes"</p>
<p>True, but many women still pressure men to pay. Women don't force men, but often they have the expectation that the man should pay. I would respect most women much more if they got rid of this expectation (just as most people, including myself, would respect men who did not hold the expectation that women belong in the kitchen). Women have great control over how fast this part of our culture changes.</p>
<p>Hmmmmmm why don't we discuss something important, like the wage gap, rather than who pays for dinner?</p>
<p>Oh...and in the US there's more women than men, but in the world I believe there's more men than women. Here's a stat I found from Yahoo!Answers (reliable, I know)</p>
<p>15-64 years: 65.1% (male 2,174,605,518/female 2,124,494,703)</p>
<p>Because it's been discussed much more than this; because there are already institutions working to correct it; because there is a lot of ambiguous evidence surrounding it (original study did not account for jobs taken by each gender, just the average salary; also did not account for hours worked by each gender).</p>
<p>A better discussion, IMO, would be on the expectations that women stay at home to take care of the baby, or that women quit their job when man gets job in new state. Or, about expectations for man to earn and the stigma on a "stay at home" Dad.</p>
<p>"Oh...and in the US there's more women than men, but in the world I believe there's more men than women. Here's a stat I found from Yahoo!Answers (reliable, I know)"</p>
<p>I'd guess much of that is through unnatural selection.</p>
<p>good for me cuz i like 'em foreign.</p>
<p>"A better discussion, IMO, would be on the expectations that women stay at home to take care of the baby, or that women quit their job when man gets job in new state. Or, about expectations for man to earn and the stigma on a "stay at home" Dad"</p>
<p>Those would be good discussions.</p>
<p>Possible Reactions to Stay-at-home Moms:
1. She expects her husband to pay for everything while she lazily stays at home.
2. It's more difficult than a full-time job, that's brave. She must really care about her children.
3. Yup, that's where women should be.</p>
<p>Possible Reactions to Stay-at-home Dads:
1. How adorable! What a hero, to stay at home with his children! (Maybe the positive reactions are less frequent, but I think the praise is stronger if it is positive, just because it's not as common as a woman staying at home.)
2. What is he doing? He should be at work supporting his wife! Lazy bum.</p>
<p>I don't know, you can't prove with facts which reactions are more common, but men probably get more criticism if they stay home. Probably other men are more likely to look down on the stay at home dad, where women think it's adorable- Working mothers are probably more likely to critisize the stay at home mom. Not sure, just speculation.</p>
<p>By the way, here's a study (done by the US General Accounting Office) that talks about the wage difference- still a difference even when taking type of occupation, hours work, all that- into account.</p>
<p>Summary (easy to read, quick to read): GAO</a> Report: Why Women Still Make Less than Men</p>
<p>Full report: GAO</a> Report: Why Women Still Make Less than Men</p>
<p>You forgot the third possible reaction to Stay-at-Home Dads.</p>
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<li>"I really should be grateful for him making the sacrifice, but I can't help but perceive it as a decline in masculinity. Therefore, I've lost attraction for him, and will thusly cheat." -- Stay-at-Home Dad's wife</li>
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<p>Luckily, I think it would be pretty easy to figure out if your significant other wants a really manly man. Or I'd think it would be- what do you think? Is it easy to tell if you're going to be expected to be really masculine all the time? Or expect you to pay, etc.?</p>
<p>I just told someone in a PM about this topic that a couple of guys that I've been attracted to have cried in front of me, and that didn't change my opinion of them at all. So I guess I'm the opposite of the "GRAWR I want my men to be hairy lumberjacks who eat entire raw cows for lunch!" kind of girl. But then I was crying too- if he was upset over something like a goldfish dying, I would probably giggle at him. But then I'd have the same reaction with a woman. It is NOT worth crying over a goldfish if you're an adult, no matter how long you have had your dear dear Bubbles.</p>
<p>my boyfriend cries in front of me semi-frequently..more often than i do, at any rate. i don't think any less of his masculinity, but it can get on my nerves regardless haha</p>
<p>men should cry 4 times in their lives. when theyre born, when theyre mother dies, when their loved one dies, and one freebie for male menopause/unforseeable circumstances..</p>
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my boyfriend cries in front of me semi-frequently..more often than i do, at any rate.
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<p>...SHOCKING.</p>
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i don't think any less of his masculinity
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<p>Can it get colder than zero degrees K?</p>
<p>Yes, because it's not pronounced "zero degrees K" it's "zero Kelvin".</p>
<p>Sorry. My body temperature is about 98.6 degrees Fahrenheit right now. Fahrenheit. Fah-ren-heit. Fah. Ren. Heit. "Fahrenheit."</p>
<p>I don't know if I could handle semi-frequently. I'm not very emotional myself- sometimes I cry over stupid things, but in a lot of really sad situations, I just make stupid jokes. Bad habit because it offends/weirds out a lot of people. I made some TERRIBLE jokes after my dog died, haha.</p>
<p>Note: It's not that I can't handle GUYS that cry frequently, it's just that I can't handle ANYONE that cries frequently. I just can't deal with it very well. I'm not good with drama.</p>
<p>Edit:... Thought about commenting on the weirdness of this degree comment, but I think if we look at it, only one can make sense in the joke...</p>