<p>Hrrrm...I think i'll call the adcom advisors and ask what I should do because I might be able to squeeze in Calc during Winter. I was hoping that as long as I aced Pre-Calc now, i'd be OK in delaying Calc to spring...=/. Noooooo!!!</p>
<p>"hey socalgirl, are you excited to start the new fall semester or what! "</p>
<p>Sorry for the late response, but yup, yams, I am very excited. I'm going to try to be a bit more social this year though. I'm kind of tired of my only friends being those in student government (even though they're great people)and I'm sick of staying in on Friday nights. =[</p>
<p>you can hang out with me the 3 hours im on campus</p>
<p>Just wondering but (didn't have a chance to call today), how much do you think it will affect my admission prospects if I take Calc during Spring?</p>
<p>Wish I could tell you John, but I don't think any of us really could give you a satisfactory response. In fact, I bet you'll hear different things from different counselors...</p>
<p>I agree with Wilderr. Technically it won't disqualify you but it puts you at a disadvantage against those of us who have taken it. Then again you have strong ecs so that may keep you in the game. None of us can say for sure really. You will get different answers depending on who you talk to.</p>
<p>sweet, i asked about that again, but they continued to insinuate that they would weight it more-however, they did mention that they take everything into account holistically, which means that a single course if repeated really isnt going to make much of a difference anyway. this kind of goes into what i'm going to say: i dont think any of us (besides sweet) has a perfect application. i believe that all of us have some form of flaw somewhere. considering, however, that we all are very accomplished and obviously are somewhere within the competitive range of applications, i think that it's high time we stopped worrying about our little imperfections. i think at this point...they're not going to matter anymore. at all. seriously, because it's grind time. applications are here-there isnt anything else we can do except work for one more semester...and then when the supplemental app comes around, work on that.</p>
<p>but everybody here has done thier homework-everyone has completed the prereqs, completed the breadth, whatever, right? at this point, we've made certain that we're all competitive. none of us are OUT of the running. so that means that its time to write the essays. do them now. do them well. we have two more then everyone else...and since we're aiming so high, we'll need that to be able to differentiate ourselves. </p>
<p>finally, i'm going to end this with this, because i think its ridiculously important, especially for us. some of us will not get in. some of us will be rejected, even though everyone on this thread-(and i do mean absolutely everyone who has posted) has fabolous and fantastic stats-there will be some of us who are rejected. im not boding well, i'm saying that it's the reality...and that is why we have to operate not on "whether or not this will get me rejected or this will get me thrown of the competition" but rather, what else can i do to make me stay competitive or be as competitive as possible. when i say that, i mean not worrying about not having enough ec's, or not having above a 3.8 or a 3.7 even, i mean working your way around those parts of your applications-what we, as haas transfers, may consider 'imperfections', but instead finding more opportunties such as scholarships that may enhance our competitiveness. this board is meant for support, realistic advice, and research. sometimes...chances. but now that we've all got that cleared for 2k7, let's change pace, right? </p>
<p>with that being said, let's try a different approach for this thread.</p>
<p>how much emphasis do you guys believe that they will place on the UC application itself now that the whole "second round" has dissapeared? let's try and find a question and solution to this problem. prod the admissions office, get them to reveal something-hahaha, whatever it takes, right? the more we know, the better we stand a chance.</p>
<p>Since i'm rather new to these forums, do you think you could explain what you mean by second round? Is it where they request more information during Spring or something?</p>
<p>since competition is so tough for admissions at HAAS they require all transfer students to satisfy a second part of the application. It entails a self reported academic record and a second essay that changes every year. Last year i believe it was regarding the economic effects of hurricane kartrina. This second part helps narrow the hundreds of similar applicants down. </p>
<p>I know everyone is really worried, but one thing that will help you all in figuring out where you stand as far as admissions is finding out how many students from your schools got accepted to HAAS for this summer. Take this number of people and try and get a hold of them. Compare yourself with their statistics and see where you fit in. Also find out who will be applying to HAAS from your school and see where you stand in in regards to them. Get to know your fellow applicants so your know to you are up against. Those with lower GPA's dont need to necessarily fret. Keith Schoon who is in charge of transfers at Berkeley has told me numerous times about how he has read an application that he felt would definitely get in: 4.0 GPA, tons of ec's good essay etc.. This person got rejected. Then he would look at someones stats that he felt would not get in and they DID get accepted... From what he has told me HAAS can be very fickle in their selection process. YOU ALL have to remember that ONE human is reading your application. Say they woke up on the wrong side of the bed that morning and blah blah blah. Its tough but its the truth. your fate lies in the hands of a person that you may never meet.</p>
<p>WHERE DOES EVERYONE GO TO SCHOOL?</p>
<p>A quick side note. HAAS really doesnt care what other classes you take besides their requirements. HAAS clearly states that they are looks at: course load, grade trends, interest to be a part of the HAAS community, ec's, and academic performance in key prereq's such as BUSINESS, MATH, AND ECON. For those who took precalc, thats great but HAAS will put no weight on those grades at all because it is be no means to them a reflection of how you would do in a actually calc class. They dont care what else you took. Prereq's and breadths almost done or done by application time will help but 7-9 breadths wont send you to the rejection pile. </p>
<p>We all have to understand that there is no such thing as a perfect application. 4.0 and tons of ec's may be great, but what does that tell you: that you can open a book and time manage well. They want students that will bring their university to a higher level through the means of diversity, experience, personality, etc. Imagine how many students w/ 4.0 and tons of Ec's will be applying. They cant accept them all. I'm not saying this to be a jerk cause i actually am a student with a high GPA (Not a 4.0) and TONS of ec's, but dont fill your minds with the idea that he or she will definitely get in cause their stats are perfect. Humble yourselves and do your best. If you are meant to get in, you will.</p>
<p>I don't think it necessarily matters how many people from your school got in. Not to mention there are a lot of cc students that take classes at multiple schools. </p>
<p>"Take this number of people and try and get a hold of them. Compare yourself with their statistics and see where you fit in."</p>
<p>That is what we are doing on here....</p>
<p>Also I am pretty sure for Haas two people read your essays. The essay questions for Haas are listed on another thread. One changes every year because it is based on a current event and one stays basically the same. I think you only pick one to answer.</p>
<p>hey my comment, "but dont fill your minds with the idea that he or she will definitely get in cause their stats are perfect." was directed towards no one. </p>
<p>It has been natural over the years that HAAS admits a consistent number of people from each CC. This is not a rule by anymeans but it usually hovers 1 or 2 above or below. For example, UCB took 11 students last year from my CC, so it is likely that they will take at about 8 or 9 this year. So just as a guaging meaure, if you were to figure out how many people got admitted from your CC and find out who the likely candidates are for 2007 then you have an idea. </p>
<p>That is what we are doing on here.... </p>
<p>yea i know but is everyone here from your CC? i sense a little attitude...
im just trying to help out...that was my first post after i read everyone elses post.....Im not sure where everyone is located, but i am close to the campus and being able to talk to someone face to face is different than calling a grad student that works in the admissions center at berkeley and has more important things to do than answer phone calls.</p>
<p>Im just trying to share the knowledge and insight that i have gained from the people i have talked to.</p>
<p>Basically we are putting together the stats of all the applicants that are applying this fall. Since we are competing against each other that is a good gauge I think. I still don't see what each persons school has to do with it. Could be I am just tired... but it seems to me the amount of students who got accepted from your school has to do with a lot of different factors. I am sure the closer you get to UCB the more admits you are going to have but that is probably due to more people in that area applying. Well anyway that is my two cents. Are you applying for fall 2007? If so post your stats!</p>
<p>Also I am super straightforward so I may come off a little harsh sometimes. It is hard to express tone over a message board. :)</p>
<p>I agree with Sweetny, I feel it's very likely that transfers are tilted toward your school because of it's location. </p>
<p>Other than that, since we Haas applicants here are pretty obsessive (that's an understatement), we know that they take a holistic view. We are simply looking to gauge how well we are doing in the GPA portion/numbers portion of our application (weighed in at a hefty 50%). Posting EC's here will also help us gauge where we need to be. </p>
<p>I also think that doing my best requires me to know the actions needed to be at my best. I found out from asking people here that taking 9/9 breadths may help my application, so I am doing so now.</p>
<p>In response to Ze, how did you find out that there is no longer a second round?</p>
<p>our 'second round' so to speak is going to come in the form of who did the prereqs and who didnt do the prereqs. somehow i legitimately doubt that there's going to be the ridiculous and rampant level of stupidity there was in the previous year about people not completing the requirements. several hundred people cant be that stupid every year. however, for the people who did complete everything, we get the supplemental app in january. they just dont pick and choose this time who gets to apply and who doesnt. </p>
<p>and xfrstd, i usually call the haas undergraduate program advising office as opposed to going there personally. they're very helpful, and always available. i abuse them rather often. hee.hee.hee. sweet, he's right here, haas is pretty much consistent with the people that they admit from every school. however, correllation no = causation, so we cant make inferences on that statistic, really. </p>
<p>actually johnn, also, i talked to the admissions office, and because completion of 7/9 prerequisites is only the mandatory amount, a candidate with 9/9 prerequisites has no favor.</p>
<p>yeah, also..remember guys..we're at the right end of the distribution in applicants, all of us. not only because of our stats, but 1)because we have this resource and 2)because we're ahead of the game in prerequisites completed. what i mean is, we are competing against each other. but that doesnt mean we should not share information or extracurriculars..so, if you have 'competitive' experiences over the summer, dont be afraid to share. or the like.</p>
<p>"so, if you have 'competitive' experiences over the summer, dont be afraid to share. or the like."</p>
<p>Yeah plus we are to the point where we cant really change anything anyways LOL ;)</p>
<p>Also Z, I don't disagree about the amount of people (roughly) from each school. I just don't think it really tells you anything as far as your own acceptance.</p>
<p>right right, that's why i said correllation doesn't necessarily equal causation. it's impossible to make those kinds of inferences, because the level of distribution is on such a low level-not to mention that we have to take into account every single low-lying outlier in the process over the years, because every single one was an acceptance. even more so for the fact that now we only have two data sets that we really can rely on, this year and last year, because that's when the implementation of no second round came into affect. so we really cant make any judgements on that respect at all. </p>
<p>as long as we got that cleared, and since its tuesday, can someone call the undergraduate admissions office and ask what's up with the UC application and what role it plays in admission? does it have equal weight?</p>
<p>what do you all think will be one of the second round questions?</p>
<p>i think one of them will have something to do with the economic effects of an immigration reform or somthing allong those lines</p>
<p>(he's right here, haas is pretty much consistent with the people that they admit from every school. however, correllation no = causation, so we cant make inferences on that statistic.)</p>
<p>well said Z thats what i would have said if i werent so burnt out.....</p>
<p>from everyone that ive spoken to, the UC application is an integral part of the admission process. thats where you will formally list all of your Ec's, work, etc.... yes you do this again on the SRAR and the resume but the UC application is more or less the official means of submitting your info. from what i understand the HAAS part of the application kind of saves them time after they have looked through the UC apps. it gives them the information that they want to see all together. </p>
<p>Z</p>
<p>it happens every year.....people just cant follow directions. </p>
<p>does anyone know how difficult it is to get into NYU as a xfer student. i have all the requirments fulfilled as far as i know but when i called them they seemed to be in a rush to get of the phone. sweetny, im think you know a good amount about this</p>
<p>any comments....</p>
<p>GPA: 3.86
EC: Worked full time since age 16; Now interning at a pharmaceutical consulting firm; Treasurer of BUS club; Student Govt. board member; VP of Venture cap. club; assistant head coach for oakland tennis initiative (teaching innercity choldren tennis); youth tutoring; spent time in New Orleans assisting with Katrina; AGS; co-founded clothing line......i cant think of anymore.....pretty much ive had no friends for a while... ;) kidding
my only mess up was from my first semester.....ever since ive been taking 18 semester units and have gotten a 4.0 so hopefully they will understand my extenuating circumstance and will to succeed....</p>
<p>One pre-req left: extra english
One breadth left</p>
<p>Applying to: NO REAL ORDER AFTER #3
1)HAAS
2)MARSHALL
3)STERN
4)UCSB
5)UCSD
6)UCLA</p>
<p>It looks like you have a good chance at Stern. It is difficult but not nearly as tough as Haas IMO. I think they admit around 20% somewhere in that neighborhood.</p>
<p>Also does being first generation affect my chances of getting into any of these schools? I never thought of myself as first generation since my mom has an AA but I was reading another thread that says I am...hmm I am sure it doesn't matter to much anyway.</p>