<p>No offense or anything griff, but "epitomy" is spelled "epitome." Sorry, i just have this thing about spelling. :)</p>
<p>hm...I read a LOT from [desertman] today...and disturbingly, many of his replies are either derogatory or discouraging, such as</p>
<p>quote:
"you have ABSOLUTELY no chance at such school as Stanford" or
"people think they can get into good schools SOLEY FOR THEIR RACE."</p>
<p>haha, it sounds like you know ABSOLUTELY everything about college admissions. haha...funny...very amusing...
i wish you the best luck with what you DO know...</p>
<p>wow desertman, you are such a tool. I'm absolutely disgusted by your obvious racism and bigotry. As Matt has shown, AA is not hurting you, so you can <strong><em>. It seems like you're so self centered and self absorbed that you can't even read the evidence presented that clearly proves you wrong. Your prior posts (shown here: <a href="http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/search.php?searchid=1852784%5B/url%5D">http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/search.php?searchid=1852784</a> ) ALL serve to bolster the assertion that you are a bigot - so don't go crying about my being an *</em></strong>** like you did with Matt or threatening to report me. Your feedback on these forums is nothing but negative - you haven't made a real contribution here yet. The point of CC is to provide a forum for respectful discussion and feedback, not to rip apart those seeking help and degrade your fellow members. Show some respect for others, if you're capable of that. The only thing that you're doing is exposing yourself as an uninformed prick - nobody that I can think of would want to go to school with you next year.</p>
<p>On the topic of Affirmative Action...</p>
<p>You obviously are uninformed and have no idea what you're talking about. I'm gonna venture to make a guess here, and one that I don't thing will be too far off base... you have no concept of the state of education in this country. The disparity in this nation between the educational opportunities for the wealthy (and statistically white) population far surpass those available to the poor (esp. in minority) environments. I know that you made it clear that you have a black friend (congratulations, by the way... a black friend, aren't you special) who "deserves" to be admitted to an ivy. Well, your friend had the same opportunities that you have, and has obviously taken advantage of them. AA serves to level the playing field - something that you seem to know nothing about... for those with fewer opportunities. Don't spew this bull about deserving and not deserving. I'm sure that if you got to know any of these kids who you claim get in only because of AA you would claim that they, too "deserve it"... in many instances, probably moreso than you - they have often had much more to overcome than most. So please, at least consider the other side rather than dismissing it without even addressing it and writing poorly constructed responses. All that you are doing is putting your own ignorance on display.</p>
<p>You didn't offend me. People who get into harvard(minus athletes etc.) dedicate their lives to the process, and this person thinks they deserve to be among the others with a 3.67 and a 1950?</p>
<p>
[quote]
People who get into harvard(minus athletes etc.) dedicate their lives to the process
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</p>
<p>So should athletes, etc. (what is etc here?) be persecuted as such?</p>
<p>Wow, you probably have a lot to learn in life...here's your first lesson: LIFE IS NOT FAIR, I MEAN IT, TRULY IT IS NOT FAIR.</p>
<p>This is such a weenie thing to get huffy about, don't you have something better to worry about?</p>
<p>i think your scores and stats are a bit above average (NOT above average for ivy leagues, just... regular average) but if you're a god at sports like, nationally ranked really highly, and the coaches at harvard and stanford and yale all want to recruit you, you are def in. if not, iunno.</p>
<p>(shouldn't even respond but...)
311,</p>
<ol>
<li><p>Are you mindless?</p></li>
<li><p>The athletes are going their b/c of their athletic ability, this other person has no such ability, so your understanding of my point was clearly missed.</p></li>
<li><p>You tell me i have alot to learn, and then quote something so cliche that a 3rd grader would be expected to say. Who really needs to expand their thinking a little.</p></li>
<li><p>Who needs something better to do: Me with my logical opinion, or you with your illogical rant?</p></li>
</ol>
<p>regarding athletes... everybody on these board is so down on recruited athletes. Everybody at an Ivy (or school of similar caliber) has to have a hook of some kind. Atheltes have sports, some applicants have 5,000 hrs of service, some are RSI and USAMO champs... whatever it may be, you can't expect to get into a school of this caliber jsut by having decent grades and scores that won't cut it. Athletes jsut have their sport as a hook, and it seems to me as though many people degrade athletes sheerly out of jealousy for the special consideration that athletes are given. Atheltes at these schools are carefully screened before they are even given support, and scores, grades, etc. are looked at by admissions dept. officials very early in the process. Athletes that can't hack it won't get in. It's just like any other "hook" - stop the bashing.</p>
<p>^ What does that say? I can't read it. Too much bad grammar. It just doesn't make sense. It's just incoherent babbling.</p>
<p>uva, </p>
<p>Here are your responses:</p>
<ol>
<li><p>Most likely</p></li>
<li><p>I was under the impression that Harvard didn't make a lot of exceptions for their athletes, based solely on athletic ability. I'm pretty sure that the athletes at Harvard are still pretty well rounded academically.</p></li>
<li><p>Well, I guess you skipped the 3rd grade then?</p></li>
<li><p>probably you with your logical opinion that makes you appear like a prestige whore who whines like a ***** all dam day.</p></li>
</ol>
<p>P.S. Gospy, what's the deal? It looks coherent to me.</p>
<p>Who are etc? I still don't understand who "etc" are in your athletes, etc. statement. Please expound.</p>
<p>Alright sweet, a lot has been said on this post. I just want to clarify that my friend doesn't think he "deserves" to be at these schools, he's just applying to them. If he gets in, good for him, if not, he's not going to die. </p>
<p>So to all of you who are disgusted with him because you think he's planning on getting in solely on race, don't be. He knows these are reaches, he just wanted some simple chances. </p>
<p>Peace out.</p>
<ol>
<li>Exactly, so you just answered your own question: NO I WOULD NOT COMPLAIN ABOUT STUDENT ATHLETES AT HARVARD BECAUSE:
a. They are recruited to play a sport based on their athletic ability.
b. They are more than likely academically qualified for Harvard UNLIKE THE SUBJECT OF THIS THREAD.</li>
</ol>
<p>geez im done...</p>
<p>GPA 3.67 uw, 3.89 w
SAT's; 650 CR, 680 M, 620W</p>
<p>Those stats are barely above average. Harvard, Stanford, Princeton, Duke, Washington, and Johns Hopkins all require brilliance to get accepted.</p>
<p>Blah, came here too late.</p>
<p>Chitownstud-</p>
<p>All I can do is laugh at your unintelligent comments about me. You say things like "Your feedback on these forums is nothing but negative - you haven't made a real contribution here yet."</p>
<p>Yet yesterday (you can check my posts) I said to a minority in a chances thread " not a guaranteed admit, not a guaranteed reject. gl"</p>
<p>Hmmm, that sounds like I'm really negative there!</p>
<p>Then you say I am an "uninformed prick." The true ignoramus is you, the one throwing around petty insults and unsubstantiated claims.</p>
<p>"AA serves to level the playing field"</p>
<p>HAHAHAHAHA. If I were to insult you, I would call you a... "uninformed prick." But I won't stoop so low. You clearly have no idea whatsoever of what you are talking about. A black rich guy will get a significant advantage over a white rich guy, even though for them they have a level playing field.</p>
<p>Finally, to finish off your hypocrisy, you say about me: "writing poorly constructed responses."</p>
<p>Yet, one or your responses merited the reply by another user:
" What does that say? I can't read it. Too much bad grammar. It just doesn't make sense. It's just incoherent babbling."</p>
<p>The true hypocrite is you. Now go get a life.</p>
<p>Oh and to Steve Lee-</p>
<p>Who quoted me as saying "you have ABSOLUTELY no chance at such school as Stanford"</p>
<p>One, he misquoted me. He invented the capitalization. Two, I said it to a person who was applying to Stanford with a 3.2 GPA, SATs all around 700, and extremely weak ECs. You think that guy has a shot at Stanford? You are incredibly ignorant.</p>
<p>Why did everyone turn this thread into an AA debate. I mean the kid just wanted to know if he had a shot at Harvard, Princeton or Stanford. If he applies and gets in with mediocrity, it is the fault of the college not the fault of the student. So no matter how stupid or fallacious you think AA to be, your opinion DOESN'T MATTER. *****in' about it on this thread serves no purpose whatsoever as we are all just 17 year old kids, what do we know? The OP shouldn't have posted his chances anyway, because we truly have no idea what his chances are, so listening to anything we say would be a bad decision. So if everyone would just quite acting like their opinion on affirmative action matters, then we can all just move on past this useless thread.</p>
<p>I think he has got a great chance. I know a few people who got into Columbia with like 3.2GPAs and being ASIAN. Good ECs, great essays and their SATs are pretty good. Now I would tell your friend to give SATs another try. If he can get a 2100 I think he has a great shot. Just make sure you do your application carefully and stuff. So many people lose out even though they have great stats because they didnt carefully craft their applications.</p>
<p>Good grief! Reading this thread was like watching a pack of dogs shread a piece of meat. </p>
<p>His GPA is nothing exceptional (although the courseload is good), so I think HPS are unlikely. Race will only go so far, and HYPS have plenty (believe it or not) of bright, high-scoring URMs to choose from. An improved SAT score or a good ACT score would drastically improve his chances.</p>
<p>Duke, UNC Chapel Hill, Georgetown, and Johns Hopkins are also reaches, but less so. A well-crafted and insightful essay will go a long way at these. </p>
<p>U Washington is a match. One question- does he have safeties? I didn't see any, so that bothers me.</p>
<p>I agree that it is stupid for kids to think they deserve to get into a school because of race, but the way you said it before was really wrong. haha and "I will be forced to report you..." hahahahahahaha</p>