Helicopter Parents: Take II

<p>Well, now I find myself responding to a quote from a letter from a parent not even part of this board... but I find it utterly depressing that a parent would think that a 22 year old was incapable of making a phone call to resolve a scheduling problem. ("Can your 22-year-old do that? I think not!") [Post #39]</p>

<p>When I was age 23, I was practicing law. Older adults were coming to me to have their administrative messes fixed. When I was 18, I worked in paralegal capacity as a welfare advocate, which means that it was my job to help poor people weed through whatever red tape was standing in the way of their getting welfare or social security benefits. My son at age 20 was working in a management capacity -- by age 21 he had been responsible for projects supervising up to 100 people. </p>

<p>Of course, we have 19 year olds in the military who have life-and-death levels of responsibility in their shoulders.</p>

<p>I can see where a parent may feel that a first-time freshman at age 17 or 18 might need a little bit of help and hand holding. But the parent who thinks that a 22 year old still needs such shepharding illustrates exactly the problem that "helicopter" parenting produces. It's a form of learned helplessness, reinforced by the parent's continual habit of playing the role of rescuer. It's not very good preparation for life.</p>

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When the administration tells the student the course is closed and they have to stay an extra semester (which happens quite often), then the helicopter parent calls and says they are not paying for an extra semester, the course miraculously has an extra spot. Can your 22-year-old do that? I think not,

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I interpreted this quote differently, not focusing on the age of the student but on the power of the purse of the parent.
I am assuming that the student already tried--vainly-- to talk his way into a course which the administration claimed was closed; but once the mother with the financial clout protested, a spot "miraculously opened."
We know money talks; and that is what this helicopter mom was demonstrating, rather than the "learned helplessness" induced by parental coddling.</p>

<p>Well, put it this way Marite -- when it comes to getting past bureaucratic intransigence, my 22-year-old would leave me and most other adults in the dust. If it isn't about age, then it is about personality -- the degree of assertiveness and communication skills -- and there are plenty of kids who have the skills to make things happen. There is no reason a kid can't call and say, "My parents won't pay for another semester" -- if that's what it took to resolve the hypothetical situation. Those skills can be taught and they can be learned if they do not come naturally to an individual -- and when a parent is making the call for the kid as opposed to taking a backseat coaching role (suggesting to the kid what to say but not actually calling) -- the the only thing that is learned is, when in trouble, call mom. </p>

<p>Maybe my perspective is changed somewhat because I am the daughter of a lawyer and my kids are the offspring of 2 lawyers -- and with lawyers, this kind of thing is second nature.</p>

<p>Calmom:</p>

<p>We don't really know how much effort the student put into trying to get into the course and what exactly he said to the deans. I'd hate to see threatening law suits as a first line of offense.</p>

<p>Read the next article I posted. At first, it sounds ludicrous that a parent would complain about subpar plumbing in China. I well remember the story an anthropologist told of living in a Chinese village in the 1980s and being followed by the whole village population when he went to the privy over the pond: they'd never seen a Westerner performing natural functions. But he was a seasoned traveler, not a 20-year old suburban kid.
So did the parent actually complain or just ask what to expect in the "forewarned is forearmed mode?" Hard to tell. I'm wondering if colleges are not perhaps overreacting, seeing helicoptering in every innocuous query. There seems to be something collusive in the behavior of colleges and parents.</p>

<p>Marite, who said anything about threatening lawsuits?</p>

<p>I contacted a dept. chair at my son's school once when he told me that his course (lecture, not discussion section) was being taught by a grad student. I didn't call to complain, really, just to ask, as the school has a stated policy that all courses are taught by professors. I was told that the course used to be offered in just fall and spring quarters but students had asked for it in the winter quarter to help with their scheduling, so they had begun to offer it in the extra quarter, but taught by the grad student. If students wanted to take it from a professor, they had the choice of the other two quarters. I was satisfied with this explanation and that was the end of the matter for me. Does this put me in the category of "helicoptering"?</p>

<p>Calmom: Fair enough.</p>

<p>Yes, the world would be a better place if every young adult perfected their quick thinking and sophisticated problem-solving skills, were superb negotiators who had mastered the art of being assertive without being aggressive or abrasive and had the courage, self-confidence and comfort level to stand up to an authority figure who wields a good deal of influence/control over the next few years of their life all by the ripe old age of 18. Maybe we should require all 21 yr olds to pass an "assertiveness" test to argue for their right to drink. Just like passing a drivers test, they can show proof that they passed their polished, sophisticated "critical thinking/take it to the mat" test. Come on-- lets get real. Personality styles vary greatly, and there are some people who will never, no matter how much they try, be comfortable with assertiveness. The type of personality that draws some people to practice trial law differs greatly from the type of personality that might draw someone to study the harp. I am generalizing for effect, but the fact is, there are passive people, there are diplomatic/assertive people and there are aggressive/arrogant people. There are introverts and extroverts, internalizers and externalizers, etc etc. Not everyone is comfortable standing up for themselves, and many do not have the polish they might ultimately develop at the ripe old age of 18. Some might still not have it down by 22. We do not neet to be rigid, and we certainly do not need to pass judgement.</p>

<p>Does that mean that young adults shouldn't try to solve their own problems? Of course not. But if I had an 18 y.o. child who was more on the shy, overly-cautious side, I wouldn't throw them to the wolves and make them learn through the school of hard knocks just because they are legally an "adult". Calmom said there were plenty of "adults" coming to her for help to solve their problems whe she was a legal aid. People of all ages need help. I think it is a sad day when we are accused of being control freaks if we try to help--- especially our own kids. Geez--</p>

<p>MotherofTwo - I don't think that calling to ask a question is "helicoptering" -but the example you gave (calling a department chair) is something that I would never do. </p>

<p>That's the type of thing I would either ask my kid to find out. That doesn't mean that I might not call in more extreme circumstances, such as where a kid has a medical emergency and needs to be hospitalized. But then, as an adult, if I were hospitalized, I certainly would appreciate it if my children, work associates or friends made necessary calls to my creditors and clients to explain the situation - that's not helicoptering, that's lending a hand in time of need.</p>

<p>I did have regular direct contact with people at my son's college involved with collecting money (registrar, burser, financial aid, housing office, etc.) - about monetary issues. It simply made no sense in my mind when I received a bill which I questioned or did not understand to ask my son to find out or take care of it. </p>

<p>So I don't know whether your call really fits. I do think that if I worked at a college I would tend to be frustrated with calls from parents about academic matters, though. On top of everything else, privacy laws make some discussions off limits without the approval of the student - so while it is one thing to inquire about a policy, it can put the college staff in a bad position when parents start asking specific questions about enrollment and course selection. Keep in mind that some kids might deliberately misrepresent the situation to their parents precisely because they view their parents as over-controlling -- for example, the kid who wants to major in philosophy but whose parents insist on premed might find it convenient to tell the parent that all of the chem sections were full. When mom calls to complain it could be a delicate situation.</p>

<p>From aol.com tonight. I was one of the Colgate parents at orientation last week. There was a lot of talk about letting kids make their own mistakes, etc., but I didn't think much of it at the time; it just seemed like sensible advice. I guess there was a message being sent. </p>

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Colleges Try to Deal With Hovering Parents
By JUSTIN POPE, AP
AP
Heightened parental involvement is one of the biggest changes on college campuses in the last decade, experts say.</p>

<p>HAMILTON, N.Y. (Aug. 28) - They're called "helicopter parents,'' for their habit of hovering - hyper-involved - over their children's lives. Here at Colgate University, as elsewhere, they have become increasingly bold in recent years, telephoning administrators to complain about their children's housing assignments, roommates and grades.</p>

<p>Recently, one parent demanded to know what Colgate planned to do about the sub-par plumbing her daughter encountered on a study-abroad trip to China.</p>

<p>"That's just part of how this generation has been raised,'' said Mark Thompson, head of Colgate's counseling services. "You add a $40,000 price tag for a school like Colgate, and you have high expectations for what you get.''</p>

<p>For years, officials here responded to such calls by biting their lips and making an effort to keep parents happy.</p>

<p>But at freshman orientation here last week, parents heard a different message: Colgate is making educating students a higher priority than customer service. The liberal arts college of 2,750 students has concluded helicopter parenting has gotten out of hand, undermining the out-of-the-classroom lessons on problem-solving, seeking help and compromise that should be part of a college education.</p>

<p>Those lessons can't be learned if the response to every difficulty is a call to mom and dad for help.</p>

<p>"We noticed what everybody else noticed. We have a generation of parents that are heavily involved in their students lives and it causes all sorts of problems,'' said Dean of the College Adam Weinberg. College, he said, should be "a time when you go from living in someone else's house to becoming a functioning, autonomous person.''</p>

<p>Colgate says it has ample resources to help students. But when parents call, unless there's a safety risk, they're usually told to encourage their children to seek out those resources themselves.</p>

<p>As for the China inquiry, Weinberg said, "we tried to explain in the 21st century, the ability to plop down in a foreign country and hit the ground running is a fundamental skill.''</p>

<p>Heightened parental involvement is one of the biggest changes on college campuses in the last decade, experts say. One major reason is the tight bond between Baby Boomer parents and their children.</p>

<p>"This is a group of parents who have been more involved in their children's development since in utero on than any generation in American history,'' said Helen E. Johnson, author of "Don't Tell Me What To Do, Just Send Money,'' a guide for college parents. "I think colleges have been far too responsive in inappropriate ways to this very savvy group of consumers.''</p>

<p>Another factor is cell phones. The era of the 10-minute weekly check-in from the pay phone in the hall has given way to nearly constant contact. Rob Sobelman, a Colgate sophomore, says when students walk out of a test, many dial home immediately to report how it went. One friend checks in with her mother every night before going to sleep, he said.</p>

<p>"Even 10 years ago, parents couldn't even get hold of their children,'' said Colgate President Rebecca Chopp. "If you reached them once a week it was a miracle.'' Now she says she's hearing from older alumni who are "worried their grandchildren won't learn accountability and responsibility.''</p>

<p>Many schools have noticed the trend, but they've been reluctant to alienate parents. Some have tried to accommodate the change, opening parental liaison offices, for instance.</p>

<p>But some schools, while glad to see parents care, are expressing concern over the downside. During freshman orientation this year at Northeastern University in Boston, administrators urged parents not to call their children but to let them call home when they want to talk. At Washington University in St. Louis, upperclassmen perform skits about healthy transitioning for parents. The University of Vermont hires students as "parent bouncers'' to delicately keep parents from interfering in, for instance, meetings with advisers.</p>

<p>At Colgate, parents used to receive a sheet listing administrators' phone numbers. This year, they got a statement about Colgate's philosophy of self-reliance - a message that was hammered home repeatedly in talks by administrators. Next year, the school may assign parents summer reading on the transition to college.</p>

<p>The approach will continue throughout the year, part of a larger emphasis at Colgate on "teachable moments'' outside the classroom. A memo sent to departments ranging from residential life to counseling to public safety reminds employees: "We will not solve problems for students because it robs students of an opportunity to learn.''</p>

<p>Mike Herling, a 1979 graduate with sons in the sophomore and freshman classes, said he welcomes the approach.</p>

<p>"It's the intercession on a regular basis they're trying to discourage, and I think it's important they do,'' he said. "Kids are much more self-confident and develop better decision-making skills if they're given the opportunity to make decisions for themselves.''</p>

<p>But Colgate acknowledges not all parents will be happy, and that there have already been unpleasant calls.</p>

<p>"We get quoted the price tag frequently,'' said Dean of Student Affairs Jim Terhune. "But what you're paying for is an education, not a room at the Sheraton, and sometimes that education is uncomfortable.''</p>

<p>Says Thompson, the counseling director and the parent of a college student himself: "I don't want them to be happy today. I want them to be happy a decade from now.''

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<p>calmom,</p>

<p>I am not sure if I called the Department Chair, it was 3 years ago. I think I called the Dept number and asked the secretary who was the right person for my question and called whomever she referred me to. I really don't think it could possibly be considered a privacy issue, as you implied, as I never said my son's name, discussed his course enrollment, or anything else specific to him. I just inquired as to whether the class was being taught totally by a grad student, and why this was. My son wasn't upset about the fact that it was taught by the grad student, and really had no interest in inquiring as to why this was - I was just curious since it is a stated policy that courses are taught by professors. The answer I got made sense to me and that was the end of the matter.</p>

<p>This focus on the individual is very American...the nuclear unit etc. Where I live, folks would be horrified to think people (outsiders) consider it a bad thing for you to be super involved with your children and children super involved with the family. Everyone "meddles" in everyone's life. But there is no poverty. The poor ones get helped by the rich ones whether cousins, uncles, brothers, parents. Young people when married are given a furnished house, car and the grandparents take care of the grandchildren. It is just how it works. I used to think it was stifling. I used to think it silly that 18 year olds waited to go away to college. They liked living with their family. They liked their community. The big world could wait. I am not so sure right now.</p>

<p>And by the way, back in the 60s when we were thrown to the wolves, dropped off at our colleges to be toughened up....I could have used some hovering parents!</p>