Help! 3 weeks until move-in and daughter has "changed her mind"... (Sorry long)

My daughter was all set to go to college about three hours away. The bill is paid, we’ve visited several times, she attended an overnight orientation, she has her student ID. I guess she talked to her father a few days ago but just last night she informed me she’s not going and she is going to commute to our local four year school. Both are excellent choices as far as schools go (although the one farther away is higher ranked) but that is the least of my concerns. The “commuter school” is not really a commuter school at all. I will call it that for this post to distinguish between the two.

The commuter school is an hour away on a good day from our front yard to parking and getting into class, I know that because I attended this school living on campus undergraduate and as a graduate commuter. The weather in the winter can be the absolute worst you have ever seen on a portion of the commute and several times I was concerned for my life driving there. I slid through stop lights, was stuck in blinding blizzards and this is not just once in a while-- it’s basically January and February. I drove a 4-wheel drive, it made no difference. The school does have commuters but programs and services are not set up for the commuter student. I worked in Residence Life and almost all programs, events, tutoring sessions, clubs, etc are set up for the resident student. When she considered this school in the Spring, I attended open house with her and we both agreed she would only attend this school if she could be in the first year student program living on campus. Now she wants to change her major from a liberals arts one to a hard science requiring high level math, and she will need help with this. Commuting two hours a day will not help with that. Working in Res Life I can tell you there is a much larger percentage of students that drop out or fail out that are commuters vs living in the dorm.

Yes, there is a boyfriend involved and I know a boyfriend should never be the deciding factor. In the Spring I sensed the uncertainty in my daughter and her undecided major status and I thought maybe it would be a good idea if she attended a community college 15 minutes from our house that would have given her a 100% tuition free honors scholarship. I was told absolutely not by both her and her father because she “needed the college experience including living on campus at a four year school”. Of course that scholarship is gone. And I understood and supported the living on campus 4 year highly ranked school option.

I honestly believe she is making the worst of all of the decisions she possibly could right now. Her father will just write the check and ignore any advice I try to share, and my daughter sees that he will do this so she won’t even take the time to listen to my concerns. But I know this commuter school, I know how it is set up and run.

I don’t think I made this part clear-- she did call the commuter school and because she was accepted and would be commuting they will still let her attend even though she didn’t pay a deposit by May 1st. She was getting a small scholarship but I’m sure that has been given away by now, when I suggested this school in the Spring I was told I was “holding her back” and keeping her from “the best school”.

Her reasoning for not wanting to go to the school she is all signed up for is that, “she doesn’t want any debt” (we had told her she would have to borrow some to have some skin in the game, her father says he will pay 100% if she commutes) and that “the commuter school has all of the majors she’s interested in in one school.” I asked her if she was just nervous about leaving home but she began arguing with me and said no. I suggested perhaps a gap year-- which would have to be planned out-- that would help her decide what she really wants to do. The “commuter school” allows a one year deferment and she can take up to 11 credit hours of college courses and still be labeled as a first year student eligible for a scholarship, She also has 6 AP credits that they will accept so she would enter next year with 17 credit hours and living in the first year community. She is refusing, saying she doesn’t want to “get behind”. I have explained to her at most she would be behind one semester and could make it up in the summer if she is so set on graduating in four years, which is a good goal. Still she refuses.

I have looked at the class list at the “commuter school” and most classes she would want are closed. I really think she needs at least one year of living on campus to adjust to f/t college life, As a commuter and with her personality, she is just not the type of girl that would reach out and join in. The first year on campus program really helps those students to become more outgoing and join in.

MAYBE I could get her a room somewhere on campus if I contacted a few people I know, but the campus fills up quickly so probably not. And she may not be with other freshmen. My husband just says “whatever” and will pay the bill. How can I get through to them? Should I even try? We really don’t have the money to waste on a semester of college that turns into a disaster, and wanting to attend graduate school she can’t risk taking a huge dip to her gpa. This commuter school is also very unforgiving when it comes to academic probation-- it has a reputation of being one of the hardest to get reinstated to after a bad semester. Lastly, this school requires a student attend orientation before attending. I looked it up and all orientations have already taken place. The person she called said they will be holding an orientation the day before classes start. This will just be something thrown together for commuter students, proving my point that they are not valued, and what happens if she hates it? I am really upset over this whole thing!

Yikes! So sorry to read this.

IMHO, the first thing you need to do is talk to your husband and explain your concerns and why you don’t think this is a viable option. Does he really want her driving that far each day (although it sounds like the drive itself is less than an hour)? Does he want to support her in this complete change of direction at this point? Can you at least both get on the same page? Is the boyfriend staying in the home town?

One option is to tell her since you already paid, she has to attend the far away school for the first semester and if she hates it, you will support a transfer for the spring, at which point she would hopefully be able to get a room on campus. She may go to farther away school and love it, she may honestly find it is not a good fit, or she may decide she doesn’t want to like it and not give it a chance. But that will then be her choice and you may be more wiling to accept it. I certainly would make her pay the cost of changing her mind as well as the commuting costs.

It is hard to tell an 18yo that her young love will likely not last. One of mine stayed with his HS girlfriend all through freshman year of college, and then they broke up.

Did she try to register at the nearby school? Maybe finding that the classes are filled will change her mind.

The boyfriend is attending the nearby community college. He’s sweet in that he wanted her to attend one of the four year schools because, as he said, “she is so smart”. He actually encouraged her to go to the farther away school because it is highly ranked but now, as we are into August, things are changing. I just found her login information from the commuter school, and she still has an account with the scolarship listed, which I thought was strange.

Your husband is the problem not your daughter. He has successfully undermined the college plans with his seeming indifference to your concerns and the check book. Your D doesn’t need to listen to your arguments because she’s already got dad’s approval.
So why is he so willing to let her commute? Just wants to have her live at home forever? Thinks he’ll still save a few bucks? Doesn’t think two hours a day in the car is that bad?
Where is the boyfriend in this scenario? At the commuter school? At home? Is she planning on staying with him on campus?
You said your daughter talked to her dad a few days ago before telling you her decision. I call that divide and conquer.
Now is the time for the THREE of you TOGETHER to “re-discuss” the situation. I’m sure she didn’t say “dad, I want to stay with my boyfriend” as one of her big reasons for change of heart (if you think that is a major reason). Bring it up.
You make an excellent case for going with decisions that have already been made.
If the loan part is such a big deal, get rid of the “skin in the game”–take that out of the equation–if that really is the deciding factor then you’ll know. If Dad is willing to open the checkbook for bad choices then he should be willing to open the checkbook for good choices.

I don’t think the reality of commuting to college has sunk in for your daughter.
The time suck, the cost, the hassle, the inability to easily attend parties, join organizations,
The simple fact that everyone else goes to the dorm between classes and can regroup for the day–study, eat, take a nap, grab books for next class, use the bathroom.
Classes don’t have an 8-4 schedule–you can have a class at 8am and then sit around until 4pm for the next one. Or have a night class. Or even days with NO classes–does she want to watch TV at home with you all or sit and study in her room those days? Really looking forward to driving in bad weather? Hard to join a study group since those happen at night.
Course this all goes away if she gets on-campus housing.

You say the classes are filled at the commuter school? Is she already registered for classes at the other university?

The boyfriend is at home commuting to a community college. I agree the husband is the problem. He’ll read this and obviously won’t agree.

Yes, she is registered at the first university. I just called the commuter school and there is housing available and they were quite helpful in suggesting courses that ahe could take. But I’d have to check that.

Should we all “like” your post as a way of voting in your favor? :slight_smile:

The driving in bad weather would get me. I went to a school that never closed, but also was in a city that annually was among the top one or two in the nation for snowfall, so I feel your pain. I wouldn’t want my daughter to do that kind of commute.

What happens if she misses a class due to bad weather? There are going to be days it’s just too bad to go - if the college doesn’t cancel classes (mine never did) is she penalized? That, along with gouf78’s points, are reason enough to have her (and her father!) look hard at commuting that kind of distance. Beautiful in September - ugly and dangerous in February.

Sadly, I think the entire thing is out of your control. Just step back and let the cards fall where they may, as difficult as that may be for you.

I think your daughter is going to learn just how tough life can be when you make choices like this, but I think the only thing you can do is hope she’ll come out the other end of it wiser and more appreciative of her mother’s advice.

Oh my, I am so sorry you are going through this. I’m sure you thought you were in the home stretch of the whole process by this time.

I agree your husband is the problem. Throughout the whole first part of your post, you referred to him as your daughter’s dad, I assumed you were divorced. I was surprised to then read he is your husband. I would feel betrayed that he would make such a huge decision regarding our daughter’s future without even discussing it with me. I would feel so sad that he doesn’t seem to putting what’s best for your daughter as the number one priority.

I don’t have any real advice (sorry)…other than try to have a conversation with your husband and get him to see both sides. Then have a conversation with the 3 of you. Be sure they understand that classes are all filled at the commuter college. I would like to think they will come around to some sort of compromise. Best of luck to you and your family.

Since she and Dad have it all worked out then I’d let them figure it out. :confused:

OK, that was snarky, sorry - don’t go at it that way. I’m annoyed on your behalf.

If she can get housing at commuter school then I’d line that up and let her take it from there. If she can’t get housing at commuter school I’m going to keep explaining the benefits of the original plan. If she doesn’t want to listen, well, it’s her life. But I’m not enabling a cush life hanging out with the BF and dabbling in classes and making dangerous commutes in a car I probably bought and insure.

JMO.

I understand she has thrown you a curve ball, but better now than mid semester when you wouldn’t get any $$ back. It is unfortunate that you and your husband are not on the same page with this situation… Does your daughter have the use of a car or do you have to provide one? At this late date, she will not have many choices for classes and many of them could be spread out throughout the day which would mean multiple hours in the library. Perhaps after the 1st semester she will realize the commute is too time consuming. Best of luck.

So the 18 year old seems to be calling the shots and has her dad wrapped around her finger. Who made her initial decision to go to the first college? If she did, she needs to suffer the consequences and PAY BACK THE TUITION. If she was forced to choose the first college, that is different. If she goes ahead with this new cockamamie plan,fine, but she sure as heck needs to pay back the tuition lost.

Could you suggest that every day for the next one to two weeks she drive an hour to the commuter school, hang out (eat lunch, read a book in a coffee shop, shop) and then drive home - to get the feel for the daily grind of driving back and forth.

Or could you talk to the boyfriend about seeing if he could encourage her to stick with the original plan?

From George Lopez:

“Let her . . . . , so she’ll learn.”
Mom, there is only so much you can do with a stubborn teen. Yes, she’s still immature and anything that you say, at this point, will be intentionally ignored. Can’t do a dang thing about it!!!

I agree with @MotherOfDragons, your daughter will find out, on her own, that Mommy was right. She needs to grow up and learn on her own.

I believe in live and learn, but if this means she can’t go to the “better” school at all, may be a steep price to pay. Sometimes mom knows best and the kids eventually appreciate mom not letting them make a significant mistake. But also agree with those that say that the husband is the problem and is enabling the daughter’s behavior. Unless he gets on board, I think the ship may have sailed (or soon will). Further payment for both schools is likely due soon.

I agree with you 100%. Your daughter has taken the worst of all of her options by far.

The difference between living in the dorms as a freshman and living an hour away is night and day. She will be far more isolated and unengaged with the school. Which is a shame because that’s (living in the dorms with other freshmen) a once in a lifetime opportunity.

The saddest part is it appears based on a boyfriend. Who statistically will be gone in a year. Makes no sense.

@redeye41
One of my closest friends from high school was ranked in the top 15% and had the stats AND money to attend any state school in Texas (except for UT). He chose to commute to the local university (50+ min drive) to be with his girlfriend, and he wouldn’t get home until after 9 P.M. every day.
One year later, things with gf didn’t work out, so a break up ensued.
Two years later, he surprised everyone (including me!) by transferring to Baylor University, a highly prestigious private school five hours away.
You never know where life will take you.

OP- big hug. This is surely a challenging situation. But before you figure out what your next move is, i think you have to confront the real problem- the betrayal by your husband. Which is the issue, not the BF (a tangent) or the driving (inconvenient and sub-optimal, but plenty of kids drive long distances to college) or the lack of infrastructure for a commuter (a pain in the neck for sure).

But the real issue- you all agreed on a plan. And your H willingly sabotaged you by cutting a side deal with your D.

Deal with that- and the rest of your issues will fall into place.