Help! 3 weeks until move-in and daughter has "changed her mind"... (Sorry long)

I know an awful lot of kids who stuck with the original college plan and went to the colleges they had deposited to, move to another city, lived in the dorms…and were back to the local (although it is a flagship) school within a semester or year (some didn’t even make it for one semester). They were unhappy at their chosen schools. Those schools might have been better or cheaper or a chance to experience a different area of the country, but the kids wanted to come ‘home’ and knew it immediately, many before they even left.

Yes, some kids are experiencing anxiety over college, but the OP’s daughter actually sought out a different option. I think she’s serious about it and not just to be near the boyfriend or because she’s scared of going away.

There are several colleges about 15 miles away from my home, but they are downtown. Commuting would take 30 minute in perfect conditions, but usually would take an hour door to door because of traffic, parking, weather. Most students take the light rail or a bus, which probably splits the difference to 45 minutes. It is no different than commuting to work. If OP’s daughter is willing to do it, it can be done. If she’s willing to pay for a dorm, that can be done.

I don’t necessarily see the H as leaving OP out of the decision. He/they agreed to pay $x for college, and his daughter came to him and asked “Can I use that $x at #2 school because I’ve decided I don’t want to go to #1 school?” H/father said “Sure, that’s what we agreed to pay, it’s your decision.” I think it IS the daughter’s decision (because this school was originally in play, not a ‘new to the picture’ school that might not be worth the tuition or unsatisfactory to the parents). I certainly discussed the choices with my kids, told them what I thought about the schools were considering, told them what we could afford and what they’d have to borrow if they picked A over B, but in the end it WAS their decision (I hope) and I wanted them to take responsibility for that decision. If one had changed her mind at the last minute, I hope I would have accepted that it was still HER decision. And if one of my kids changed her mind, I’d really rather that she changed her mind before starting at the first choice school than starting and not liking it and having to transfer. Yes, I made my kids stick with sports and violin lessons and girl scouts once they’d started, but I didn’t make them start the activity if they didn’t want to.

ugh, I hate this for you…and I hear everyone say “let her learn from her mistakes” but what is she going to learn? She can’t do college again. You’re in a tough situation here and I wish I had advice that could move this camel…

“You can’t do college again”
Ditto.

But maybe it is not a mistake. Maybe the #1 school is a mistake and she’s recognized it. She doesn’t want to take out a loan.

@redeye41 I am curious what her intended major was at the liberal arts school she is now backing out of and if music played any part in her acceptance. From your previous posts, I see you ‘both’ have been very invested in her musical aspirations. Now, she is suddenly wanting to switch to a stem major at a commuter school. Could this be her way of saying, “I don’t want the same thing you want for me” ??

Given such an abrupt change of heart, I think there’s a good chance something happened. I don’t know what, but something. I liked the advice in post #64 to have a calm conversation in which you try to find out what happened and why she’s changed her mind. Even if she’s changed her mind about her major, that can’t be it. I’m sure the math and science are liberal arts and I’m sure those majors are available at the first choice school. For that matter, it shouldn’t be the boyfriend either. If they’re that serious and devoted, the boyfriend can go visit regularly and in the meantime, they can skype. If it’s true love and meant to be, it will survive a little distance.

Do you think she might be having last minute leaving home jitters? If it’s not that, I really do think something happened to change her mind. Maybe if you sit her down and tell her that you’re surprised and confused given everything that came before and you’d really like to understand, you’ll be able to get something from her.

All the words that come to mind for how your husband is behaving aren’t really fit for polite company.

This thread has gotten sidetracked. OP said the local university is not a commuter school but she used that term to distinguish the two schools. She also said the commuter school is a good school but not as great as the original university. In her last post she said that husband would take care of daughter living on campus which solves one of her concerns. I could be wrong but I think OP is okay with daughter going to the closer school since she will be living on campus. She still has all the right in the world to be upset with husband and daughter for their actions. If they can get refunded the money already spent they should be whole. Although disappointed OP was okay with the local school as long as daughter lived on campus to get that college experience. Sounds to me they can up with a acceptable plan although not perfect in the eyes of the OP. I hope I am right.

Sometimes you need to let the kid touch the stove before they learn why you told them not to. Your kid won’t realize until she’s experienced it that sometimes mom knows best. Most friendships are fostered in the dorm environment. My friends and I used to joke that 1 week at college was like 1 year in the real world. Living in a bubble affects the growth of personal relationships. She’s gonna have to learn the hard way… Keep nagging her though so it can’t be said you didn’t do your part. There’s lots of advice my parents gave me that went in and out… youth is truly wasted on the young.

Honestly, try talking to her like an adult though. Not with the intention of changing her mind and convey that. Tell her that you just want to understand her reasoning not influence it. Hear out everything she has to say and be present as she speaks. You gotta have the mindset that she’s a separate entity or she’s gonna resist. People are autonomous by nature, you can’t fight that.

yes, she can.

Ok, very positive update. After a long talk with daughter and “commuter school” counselors, admissions and residence life, we may have come to a fair agreement among all parties. Daughter will attend commuter school and will live on campus for at least one year. Here’s how we got there:

“Commuter” school is still offering daughter her scholarship, husband confirmed this as I had a hard time believing they hadn’t given the money to another student. This makes “commuter” school $3,000 less per year w/ living on campus than school #1. Daughter will forfeit $300 for withdrawing from school #1, this confirmed from the school, so it’s not that big of a deal especially with the net cost of commuter school being less.

My sister wonders if maybe my daughter chose school #1 because it is higher ranked and at daughter’s HS, awards night and graduation makes a big deal about the school you will be attending. Only 2 students were accepted into school #1 from daughter’s high school, and 5-10 were accepted into “commuter school”. Although daughter had liked “commuter school” when we visited, she said at her school, because it was close to home, it was looked at as the school “everybody went to”. After graduation daughter may now see that it is a very good school even if close to home. And how competitive it actually is. Daughter neither confirmed nor denied this.

It just happened to be daughter was filling out her loan promisary note last week. This could also be the reason she got nervous over “debt”. I can’t be mad at her over that, who wants debt? And she’s never owed anyone a dime. We have agreed to pay 100% of college costs for her first year, and if she becomes involved and gets good grades, we may agree to pay 100% all four years. Daughter wants to go to grad school. I think after the one year of living on campus she won’t want to commute. I am glad she agreed to one year on campus, at least.

Husband is a very (usually!) easy going person who had no problem commuting to a CC and then transferring to a very large, major university and moving in with a group of guys who were all friends who had posted a “room mate wanted” sign. No problem making friends or jumping right in. I reminded him while daughter is outgoing, she would never do this. She really needs the freshmen on campus first year experience. When daughter agreed to it, he admitted this was true.

Concerning her major, I noticed some one recognized me from the music forum. From 5th grade until about the beginning of Senior year, daughter was decided and determined to major in music performance. At the beginning of Sr year she sat both my husband and I down and told us although she loved music and was still practicing and taking extra lessons, she just wanted to make all-state and win a certain competition. She realized she didn’t want to devote her life to practice or any other music career. I asked her to take a few weeks off and think about it. She had put so much time and energy in and we had her evaluated by a respected college music professor on her instrument and he had encouraged her to audition at top music schools. Although I tried not to show it, I think daughter could see I was disappointed there would be no music study. She has such great talent and we were behind her 100%. But maybe my disappointment led her to approach her father first when wanting to change schools last week. If you don’t know a lot about music performance, we had to start looking at completely different schools after she decided she wasn’t studying music. And that had to start after senior year had already started. So it was rushed.

Daughter likes things planned out. She refused to apply to schools without a major. She ended up choosing Communications and English when she applied. Now she wants to study Geology, Physics or Applied Economics. Maybe education. She has never expressed interest in those majors before. The good thing is “commuter school” told us on Friday they recommend their undecided program. Daughter at first balked as she insiststed on a planned major ahead of time. “Commuter” school has convinced her their undecided program will help her get some gen Ed classes out of the way while a required two semester sequence in courses for only undecided majors that concentrate on discovering yourself and picking a major is required and very helpful. Reassured, daughter agreed to this.

So she will be attending “commuter school” as an undecided student living on campus. Although I think school #1 has a lot to offer, is better ranked and and I personally think was the better choice, I think “commuter” school is what daughter needs NOW. And she will receive an excellent education. She loves to travel and they have an excellent study abroad program as well. “Commuter” school offers a BA in music, not performance, and although she isn’t interested in a music degree we hired the orchestra director as an accompanist for a competition she was in and he said “if you attend my school, I want you in my orchestra.” She says she will do this, so I can see her perform still only an hour away.

I flat out told husband I would not accept his treating me like an aside and an uninvolved parent again (for those of you worried about my marriage :slight_smile: ) He says I yell to much. I said not if he would listen the first time. Yes we will work on that.

So I think we have a solution everyone can live with, and daughter is extremely lucky “commuter” school has allowed this, given her the scholarship, and been so helpful at the last minute. Their welcoming and helpful staff has made me think she will be in good hands. They have an unpublished orientation she must attend before she can start classes. It’s a few days before school begins. (It’s unpublished to accommodate students like daughter or those that miss required orientation and because it’s unpublished it doesn’t fill up.) She registers for classes then… I wonder what’s still open! And I will say, with “commuter school” being so kind, #1 school, which I said I thought was a bit of a reach for daughter, made promises a few times they didn’t keep. I did get a little bit of a “you are all lucky to be here” vibe. Daughter’s new school seems helpful and respectful yet I know it is challenging. I think this will workout for the best.

Agree?

^^sounds like a win-win!

@redeye41 I am sure everyone is glad there was a positive and thoughtful outcome for your family. Good luck to her!

Great solution!

Tell hubby you don’t yell but only speak more loudly because he’s obviously deaf at times:) :))

Thank you for the update. Best wishes.

Congrats!

That sounds great!

I would say that in general, there’s much less difference between colleges than people on CC imply. So even if you have a little regret because you think “college #1” was a little better, IMO it’s waaay more important for your child to be happy - and in fact for your child to make the decision. Your child is more likely to have a better outcome at “commuter” school IMO - so even if it’s less prestigious, I think things will work out great.

Good luck!

I’m so happy to read your update.

That’s actually a great idea! Congrats!

What a fabulous compromise! Thanks so much for sharing your update. Very happy for you and your family :slight_smile: Best of luck to your daughter this fall!