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When was move out day?</p>
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<p>The school may not be able to fire him right now, but it seems obvious that if they could, they would. This is not a contract that they will be dying to renew.</p>
<p>No I would not call his phone ever again or contact him again in any manner. You need to protect yourself, too. You talked to him and then you blew the whistle it’s time to step back and let the college decide its position. If your D is of age and I think I remember that she was, he probably did nothing illegal, but if you contact him again you might be seen as harassing in a legal sense. He potentially broke college regulations or did something inappropriate related to his terms of employment at this college, but legally he might not have broken any laws. Most organizations have very defined steps they must follow when there is an allegation of misconduct. Most HR organizations will open a “case” and initiate an investigation as well as consult the organization attorneys…even for the simplest allegation. It’s out of your hands now.</p>
<p>Move out day was on a Friday in early May. Why do you ask?</p>
<p>Without disclosing what school this is, what state is it in? There are different “fire at will” rules in different states. Some are “right to work” states and some are not. Plus, if he is an adjunct instructor at several different schools, then he probably is a 1099 contract employee, not a full-time instructor. Should be easy not to continue his employ. Plus, the printed phone logs between your daughter and him is NOT hearsay, and it there are as many back-and-forth as you say, its will be clear, from the number and the time of day, that it wasn’t for the sole purpose of clarifying some assignment. And, if you needed to get printed copies of texts from your phone carrier, you can. </p>
<p>I would think the summer, when he is away, is a good time to notify the other schools of this guy’s behavior. Gives them the opportunity to look into it in their own way if they choose, and/or find someone else to teach his classes and not renew his contract in the fall. If you wait til classes are about to start, they will not have time to fine a suitable replacement. If this guy is a perv, then he should not be teaching at any school. Preventing him from doing this to someone elses daughter is the right thing to do.</p>
<p>It’s not difficult to get rid of someone but any organization will go through a series of steps (quickly or slowly) to protect themselves from potential lawsuits before they pull the proverbial trigger. At the very minimum I bet this college is taking a good hard look at their employee handbook and the wording regarding relationships between profs and students.</p>
<p>The “evidence” is fine, but if it gets to a point where the college is investigating that deeply all they have to do is ask the D if she had a relationship. They’ve more or less already told the OP that this is a possibility. They won’t “need” evidence they’ll simply ask the D and the answer will be yes or no.</p>
<p>I don’t know jym, if it were me, I’d be calling a lawyer just to make sure I was protected before I contacted any other colleges. This is a third party situation because it’s the mother making the allegations and not the daughter and I’d just want to protect myself by understanding the what-ifs in case the prof concludes he’s being harassed and decides to hire a lawyer. Seems dramatic but right now it’s between the prof and this college and this college’s student. If the allegations move to other organizations, not sure how it will all play out.</p>
<p>It’s pretty easy to write posts and say he’s a scum bag, but that’s entirely different from making allegations against someone and shouldn’t be done lightly.</p>
<p>I don’t know, I’m torn - my interest in protecting other girls says the OP should contact the other schools. But my interest in protecting HER DAUGHTER says let it be. Leave the other colleges out of it - perhaps he saw your D’s college as being lax in this area and only pursued girls there. What happened at any other colleges is purely speculation. Plus, if you are seen as “out to ruin his career” it may backfire. I’m a little concerned about your daughter’s safety - AND YOURS - if this guy sees you as a threat. Especially since he believes the rules don’t apply to him, who knows what “rules” he might break in an effort to protect himself. :eek:</p>
<p>Also, putting myself in the OP’s shoes - I’d want to keep this as quiet as possible. I would NOT want my daughter known to other students and faculty as the girl who was involved with her professor. I don’t know how other faculty would react - would male faculty be hesitant to have her in their class, not knowing how true the allegations were and thinking they would be accused? Would her classmates tease her/look at her differently? Would guys hit on her thinking she was easy? There’s a whole huge kettle of fish here that would be a big mess if this became public. I am SO proud of the OP for taking the stand she’s taken against this guy… but at this point I’d be hoping the college would handle it professionally and quietly, and if the allegations are proven (duh!) perhaps THEY will contact the other colleges? (If he’s assigned to 3 sections at the D’s college, how many other colleges could he be teaching at, at the same time?)</p>
<p>So I guess at this point I’d be a chicken, and just deal with your D’s college. Perhaps if he loses his job there, or at least gets a “wake up and smell the coffee, you bozo” talk from his dean, he’ll realize that regardless of whether HE thinks he’s hurting anyone, the rules WILL apply to him and he needs to limit his ■■■■■■■■ for young, innocent girls to areas OUTSIDE the college.</p>
<p>JVM- I’d rather not even say what state but I will say it’s in New England. I apologize for being so paranoid but I can’t seem to bring myself to give too much information. </p>
<p>I’m so torn about what to do with the other schools but for now I’m staying out of it. I mentioned the 3 other schools that he has taught at when I spoke to the Dean. Maybe they’ll contact them.Who knows, is the teaching/professor/Dean community a small world? These schools are all located within 20-30 minutes of each other. He could know a VP or Dean at one of them.
I would hate to have him prey upon other young girls but my first priority is protecting my family at this time.</p>
<p>Agree that this is a difficult choice, but IMO, there is a need (maybe not a responsibility), at some level, to advise others that there is a problem. Its like of like the “known nuisance” or whatever that legal term is. If you notify someone of a problem it puts them on notice. If they don’t do anything about it (think something like a person with a pool who has been notified their fence is broken) and someone else gets injured, they are culpable. So a simple message to the Dean of Students at the other schools that says something like “It has come to my attention that my dau, a student at xyz college was in an inappropriate relationship with her instructor while she was taking a class from him. As he teaches at your institution as well, I wanted to bring this to your attention, should you need to take steps to assure that your students are protected from any possible inappropriate or exploitative student/faculty dual relationship” or something like that. The fact that they had a relationship is true, and he didnt deny it. Did you happen to record your conversation with him, needadvice?</p>
<p>** ETA I don’t have daughters, but if I was the mom of a coed, and found out that my dau was taking a class from a guy that may be a sexual preditor, and worse yet, another parent knew and didnt notify all that she could… well… that would be tough. Imagine if it happes to a fellow cc’er!!!</p>
<p>No, I didn’t record the conversation. Funny you mention that because while I was waiting for him to meet me, I had thoughts of HIM recording me to have my daughter listen.</p>
<p>You think he’d be stupid enough to play something like that for your daughter? </p>
<p>I truly understand that you want to protect your relationship with your daughter. But the schools have a responsibility to protect their students.</p>
<p>It’s not legal to record a conversation with someone without their knowledge. Just FYI</p>
<p>I’m glad your daughter was out on a date. It means she’s not being victimized. She isn’t madly in love. It’s fine.</p>
<p>I was also very encouraged to find out your husband’s reaction was sane. It’s good to have another adult to run things by. Personally, I think you’ve done all you ought to do, and getting further involved in the whole thing might give it an importance your daughter seems not to be giving it, herself.</p>
<p>Good luck. Thanks for the update.</p>
<p>I believe it is a state-by-state regulation. In my state you can record a conversation without notifying the other person.</p>
<p>JVM- I actually believed he was going to try and tell me how important my daughter was to him and he loved her, blah blah blah. I had visions of him recording our conversation because he knew I wasn’t there for a social meet and great! He could tell by my tone when I called him that I was there to confront him. Silly me thinking that he was going to profess his love for her but instead was an arrogant a$$!</p>
<p>Wow-- so if he really loved your daughter he might try to sabotage her relationship with you by sharing a recording of you trying to protect her. What a guy! Way to win you right over!!</p>
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The daughter gave it a good deal of importance for several months. Iam glad (hopeful) that she is done with him. Maybe she used HIM for the good grade in class (that would be great) but, still, I couldnt just walk away knowing that other mothers daughters are at risk from this potential preditor.</p>
<p>Needadvice12345- just read your update. This guy is such a jerk! But I’m glad you got some of this cleared up.</p>
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This sounds good- hopefully she’ll find someone else and forget about the jerk over the summer.</p>
<p>Agree. He’s most likely going to drop or has dropped the D quickly under advice from the college and the D sounds like she is moving on. If he’s sane he’ll steer clear of the coeds on this particular campus for a long time if he continues teaching there whether they are in his class or not.</p>
<p>Doubt he would actually steer clear… he will just come up with some reason to encourage the girls NOT to tell their parents.</p>
<p>JYM- I am almost 100% positive that she didn’t get involved with him to get a good grade. English is her strongest subject and that’s just not something she’d do. Yes, she got an A in his class but she received an A in her first semester English class and A’s all through hs.</p>