<p>Slag ?</p>
<p>"nailing any half-way decent looking girl that's willing"</p>
<p>sounds like a plan...</p>
<p>"I haven't had much luck with girls in high school. At my school, a lot of the girls are: immature, snobby, self-centered, don't know what they want..."
Maybe they do know what they want?</p>
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"I haven't had much luck with girls in high school. At my school, a lot of the girls are: immature, snobby, self-centered, don't know what they want..."
Maybe they do know what they want?
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<p>It's no different in college! Well, from what i've heard, by junior/senior year in college they become less immature (i said LESS), snobby and self centered.</p>
<p>But...they NEVER know what they want...that remains true for the rest of her life.</p>
<p>But most girls usually know what they definitely don't want :)</p>
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We judge ourselves among ourselves. I don't know about you guys, but I hear just as many women calling other girls some variant on slut than I do guys. In fact, I don't think many guys define girls who have sex as that period because -- and this is going to sound wrong to some, but it's not -- guys aren't as judgmental as girls.
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<p>Girls call each other sluts because in a male-dominated world, that's a put-down. In other words, girls wouldn't use the word "slut" as an insult if they believed that men didn't look down upon them as well. In any system with a ruling class, the underprivileged are always going to fight amongst themselves to curry the dominant group's favour.</p>
<p>That makes no sense. I don't care if everyone else in the world thinks someone's amazingly wonderful, if I don't like them, I don't like them.</p>
<p>no one knows what they want!</p>
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Why do you think that the fact that I don't know many people at my school who fit the 'party slut' stereotype makes me naive?
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<p>You answered your own question, in a way. You're saying that these types of people don't exist in your general vicinity. I'm saying that they might exist, and/or they do exist, and you just haven't bothered to notice.</p>
<p>And where did I say that the fact that I am not personally acquainted with people at my own school that fit a certain stereotype means that I think people that fit that stereotype don't actually exist anywhere? Why don't you just admit that you like trying to find non-existent reasons to attack me?</p>
<p>Attack you? Get over yourself. You come off like the latter, though you said the former. You turn everything into an agree or disagree situation, then when someone calls you on it, you act like a kicked dog. Your lack of perspective (OTHER people's perspective, that is) is what makes it seem like you're saying certain stereotypes and certain people DON'T exist. Intellectually, you may know that's crap, so you say what sounds good. But my gripe with you has always been your elitist attitude, not your unfamiliarity with certain types of people.</p>
<p>Uhh....ok. That makes no sense, but whatever.</p>
<p>And you didn't actually answer my question. I'm still trying to figure out what reason you had to call me stupid for what I initially posted in this thread in the first place, and you haven't provided one. I guess this means you didn't actually have a legitimate reason?</p>
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Yeah...I don't know exactly how it got from college girls in general to talking about slutty party girls specifically, but it did, for whatever reason. I don't happen to think it's any more acceptable for guys to be promiscuous than it is for girls to be, and while I know I can't be the only one who thinks that I'm sure there are also people who'd want to call me a "man-hater" or something similar for it. To the same effect, I don't see why it'd be ok for guys to have no self-control but for girls to be criticized for having a lack of self-control, either. It's just the same thing stated in a different way, isn't it?
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<p>BlahDeBlah and guys on this thread: I am following a set of posts that seemed to end several days ago about "slutty" women. I think there is a definite double-standard, I agree with you. Though of course many have noted this before.</p>
<p>I guess I look at it from a different angle, and I am really not trying to be offensive or funny -- okay, well maybe a little funny. But I am not lying: I don't see why guys complain about "loose" women. I raise a glass to them. I've had good times with them.</p>
<p>Women in general are almost always more picky than men. I am not talking about their standards for how men look per se, but in terms of how they feel about being sexual and their readiness to do it. In a real sense, I agree with the guy who said women are the gatekeepers and we are the barbarians storming the gates. </p>
<p>As a guy, I say thank god you sometimes run into women who want you to come through the gate without demanding to make you pass a bunch of qualification exams beforehand. </p>
<p>I have a couple of principles for those men lucky enough to get into the gates: never, ever call that woman a slut. Treat her respectfully afterward, as a friend. You got naked with her, after all. I don't care if you were drunk and flapping skin outside in the main quad. And don't kiss and tell. For god sakes, never kiss and tell. That's a low blow. And if you don't kiss and tell and have a reputation for discretion, you'll find the ramparts are lowered for you more often. It's harder in college to do all this and maintain discretion, I guess. But it's the way to go. </p>
<p>It does backfire on you sometimes; I went out to a concert with a woman awhile ago and we hung out afterwards at my place and drank some wine. And when I was seeing her out, she took initiative and kissed me. As much as I wanted to jump her bones, I hadn't been angling for that 'cause things were a bit complicated in my love life. So anyway, we mauled each other and stopped just short of the full deed. Then she kind of freaked out, jumped out of bed, and ran out, saying that her life was complicated and that she didn't know what she wanted, blah, blah, blah. Well, I wasn't complaining; it was a great time. But I put it in the vault; never to be discussed. I was later asked by a friend: did you ever sleep with so-and-so? I told him that I hadn't (which was only technically true) and rounded out with more honesty: "But I wouldn't tell you if I had." About a year later, I find out that SHE went to him and said that I had made inappropriate advances. HA! She was covering her own butt. I guess in college perhaps this is more likely to happen, the defensive play. But she didn't need to worry; I was glad we got down together -- 'cause it was great -- and I would as a general rule would have kept quiet about it to ensure that it might happen again. (And as long as you were respectful to her and didn't push any boundaries that you shouldn't push without her consent, your reputation could stand up to this kind of backfiring. Mine did. Actually, my friend gave me the benefit of the doubt in this case 'cause he knew both of us pretty well.)</p>
<p>Anyway: thank god for loose women. If I can be an instrument of fun for them, great.</p>
<p>I don't see why guys cast so many aspersions at "sluts."</p>
<p>(oh, and for the record, I do have standards, though they might be unconventional according to the mainstream.)</p>
<p>A girl is a slut if she isn't banging me. Simple.</p>
<p>I am laughing hysterically at the comment about HS Girls wearing the ****ing UGG boots and sweatpants!!!! Its so funny that someone else took notice of that. Its always been on my mind, I've just never expressed it.</p>
<p>BTW- To say that men and women should be judged equally in terms of "fooling around" is a radical idea in my opinion. Such an idea comes from the now popular ideological perspective which conveniently ignores the biological cleavages between men and women. Personally, I believe each gender has its own natural charactaristics and behaviors. I support our culture's establishment of seperate informal expectations/judgements for men and women which align with these specific charactaristics and behaviors-- lumping men and women together into one category would force us to deviate from that which distinguishes us. Who knows-- maybe I am the radical?</p>
<p>For those of you who doubt these significant biological discrepancies, I suggest you take AP Biology, or simply look at the percentage of rapists that are men (who are unable to control such sexual instincts and emotions).</p>
<p>Well, I for one am absolutely certain of strong differences between the two, though I think it's too easy to characterize the differences in simplistic ways and forget that on each side of the cleavage there is wide variation. And culture bends biological tendencies in my opinion. I thought one really interesting study was of birds and people. It had long been assumed that some species of birds shared the trait of monogamy with humans. Then they did genetic tests on the birds, and found many more cases of "cheating" than had been assumed; the paternity of birds was often different from expected. And then they carried out the same tests on a housing project population in England, and found basically the same results -- paternity not as expected in something on the order of 15-25% of the cases (!)</p>
<p>In my case, I think the societal expectations we apply are very open to this cultural bending. I happen to think "sluts" are wonderful. ; )</p>
<p>This thread is STILL going? What a joke.</p>
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And you didn't actually answer my question. I'm still trying to figure out what reason you had to call me stupid for what I initially posted in this thread in the first place, and you haven't provided one. I guess this means you didn't actually have a legitimate reason?
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<p>Dense doesn't exactly mean stupid.</p>
<p>I don't get why society holds women to such higher standards than men. Men are allowed to be barbaRic, idiotic, expected to only act on insticts--while women are expected to be prim and proper and ignore carnal sexual insticts. This is most certainly unfair and unjust. In a few generations, these stereotypes about men and women will be considered absurd. The expectations will lower for women, is all I'm trying to say.</p>