<p>On the Honors page, it reads "Students may take up to 15 hours of approved honors courses in the College of Arts & Sciences and/or in the professional schools (e.g., Kelley School of Business, School of Public & Environmental Affairs), as long as there are NO MORE THAN 2 courses in any one department." </p>
<p>I just want to clarify that I'm reading this correctly. Does this mean that it's possible to take BUS-C 106 and BUS-C 205? If not, which is better to take honors?</p>
<p>Where did you find that information? I can’t find it on the Hutton Honors site. I’m certain you can take as many honors classes as you want within the Kelley School of Business (so you can certainly take both BUS-C 106 and BUS-C 205), but perhaps only 2 Kelley Honors courses count toward the general honors notation? </p>
<p>Unfortunately, my freshman daughter’s experience with getting into Kelley honors classes has been disappointing for Spring 2014. There are only two sections of BUS-C 106 for a total of 48 students, and both were full with long waitlists well before her registration date. There are 41 sections of BUS-C 104. Likewise, there are only 3 sections of BUS-X 202 (Technology Honors) and all are full, while there are 24 sections of BUS-X 201. We are pretty disappointed that she was not able to get the honors classes that she wanted. Does anyone have any comments or suggestions on this?</p>
<p>There are probably a few sophomores taking X202 in the spring, so that isn’t all too surprising. C106 is surprising though. Did your D enroll right at her appointment time? Vargo is also not teaching C106 in the spring so they lost an instructor.</p>
<p>These are the links:</p>
<p>[GHN</a> Requirements for Students Who Entered the HHC Fall 2005 and After](<a href=“Indiana University Bloomington”>Indiana University Bloomington)<br>
[Indiana</a> University](<a href=“Indiana University Bloomington”>Indiana University Bloomington)</p>
<p>The problem of classes being filled up early is that Kelley did not allocate enough seats for many classes. The worst ones are D271 and G271. Students on waiting lists are in the order of 50-90. I think that standard admitted Kelley students (sophomore) are also competing for the spots. Therefore, it is difficult to get into most honors classes especially if the teacher is well liked. Kelley opened up more spots in some cases. But, it is still not enough. The situation gets worse for some 300 level finance courses. Students aiming for multiple degrees need to plan well or may have to take summer courses.</p>
<p>While C106 is a good class, C104 is fine. X202 may not be necessary. Kelley have now quite a few good professors/instructors even for a course like L201. A students will have much better chance getting in honors classes during sophomore year.</p>
<p>OK an42713 and ace550, I see now where it talks about “NO MORE THAN 2 courses in any one department”. It’s worded poorly, but I assume that means that no more than 2 courses in one department will count toward the General Honors Notation, but that there is no restriction in taking more than two, just that the 3rd+ classes won’t count toward GHN.</p>
<p>hkem123 and ace550, DD actually did eventually get into X202, she just got into the 8AM section which she’s not thrilled about (she was spoiled her first semester and has a lot to learn!). She is registered for C104. I also just noticed that ALL 41 sections of C104 are full, so it must just be a popular class. I was just really surprised (and disappointed) by how few honors sections there were for Kelley classes, and it sounds like that trend will continue. (Really, only 48 students will get the chance to take Business Presentations - Honors next semester??) She did register immediately at her timeslot, and the two C106 sections were filled at least 24 hours before she could register. But perhaps she had a later timeslot than the typical freshman honors student, as she only took 3 AP classes (total of 23 credit hours).</p>
<p>This discussion leads me to a related question. I may have asked it awhile ago but I’ll bring it up again for some new thoughts. My D was accepted as a Direct Admit to Kelley for next fall. On another thread, it said that registration times are based on credits earned to date (including AP credits from high school I presume). Forgetting honors sections of Kelley classes, how easy or difficult is it to get the business school classes you need each year? My D wants to be a finance major. At the junior and senior levels, do you ever get shut out of a class because all sections are full? This is a concern I have because it is such a large school. Any pro or con comments from anyone who is currently going through Kelley or someone who has in the recent past would be appreciated.</p>
<p>It’s always a risk at a large school like IU, but provided your D is flexible about class times and works her schedule, she should be fine. She may get stuck taking 8AMs freshman year, but unfortunately that’s just part of the ‘initiation’ to a large B1G school. She needs to be sure to be proactive about having classes in her cart as soon as registration opens, and she needs to keep a close eye on the situation as the registration periods pass</p>
<p>One more tip from the mom of a freshman – “choose the earliest orientation date possible”. First semester freshmen register at orientation, so it doesn’t matter how many AP credits you have at that point. Credit hours only matter beginning 2nd semester freshman year, and AP credits DO count. My daughter attended the 3rd orientation session during the first week of June. She got the exact schedule she wanted - no 8AMs, all of the classes she wanted, all of the professors she wanted (after consulting ratemyprofessor.com), and no Friday classes. Unfortunately, it spoiled her for 2nd semester :)</p>
<p>However, she did get all of the classes she NEEDS for 2nd semester, just not all of the classes she WANTS. She WANTED Technology Honors, Business Presentations Honors, Spanish Culture (HISP-S 324), Linear Algebra, Kelley Compass II and Kelley LLC Hot Topics with no 8AMs and no Friday classes. She GOT Technology Honors (8 AM), Business Presentations (not honors), Spanish Linguistics (HISP-S 326, also fills one of the Spanish Minor requirements), Finite instead of Linear Algebra, Kelley Compass II and Kelley LLC Hot Topics, with no Friday classes. She’s not happy with the 8AM. I say suck it up, she’s very lucky she still has no Friday classes and she got everything she needs! The only unfortunately things are that she wasn’t able to get Business Presentation Honors, and that she decided to drop her Math minor because she couldn’t fit Linear Algebra into her schedule in place of Finite (most Linear sections were full and the sections that weren’t full just wouldn’t fit with her other classes no matter how she arranged them). She was as prepared as she could be - she had the classes in her cart ready to go when her registration time hit, she watched out for classes that were full and for new sections to be added, she had backup plans, and backup plans to her backup plans. And even now, she is still on a few waitlists and is watching out for new sections to be added. It’s possible she may still get her perfect schedule.</p>
<p>I can’t speak to the junior and senior level classes and I’m curious to know this too. I don’t remember not being able to get all of the classes I needed 25 years ago at my Big 10 university…</p>
<p>racquetdad,</p>
<p>soccergurl is correct. If your D is aiming only the finance major, taking all required courses in time should not be a problem. Still, students will be busy, after i-core, with 4 major required finance/accounting courses every semester. The issue is that Kelley now has added T175, T275, D270, X271 w/o providing students sufficient spots. Thus, one has to juggle among available but limited possibilities before i-core. After I-core, students still have to dealt with “non-core” courses such as L375, J375, T375, X420, and Z304. It would be very difficult to go for double major in Kelley or additional minor outside Kelley.</p>
<p>stbemtpynest,</p>
<p>Your D can still take Math M301 or M303 3rd semester. If she had AP calc BC credits, she only needs M365 (substitute for E370) and one more math course to get the math minor. Also, it is a good idea to take A311 for accounting major before I-core. Therefore, A201/A205 and even L201/L293 are good choices unless your D plans to take them all during summer. In fact, it is not a bad idea looking for summer courses (at Ivytech or local IU campus) during winter holidays.</p>
<p>I got stuck in a few 8am classes at U of Michigan 30 years ago. Not concerned about 8am classes for her (although she is not a morning person). Thanks for the info. One follow up- I understand that she will have a Hutton Honors college advisor and a Kelley Direct Admit advisor. How helpful/effective are the advisors in helping to navigate class selection each term? Are the advisors useless or a valuable resource for students?</p>
<p>racquetdad,</p>
<p>The Hutton advisor was not very helpful per DS3’s experience. </p>
<p>I may add that it is a good idea for HS seniors to start looking into courses Ivytech will offer this summer with the following link. They can take care of W131, M118, M119, E201, E202 or others during the coming summer. Some of those are online classes (max two for IU). It will help their schedule when they go to IU. This is even true for OOS students with the online options.</p>
<p><a href=“http://www.ivytech.edu/shared/shared_ncompwg/transfer/iu_transfers.pdf[/url]”>http://www.ivytech.edu/shared/shared_ncompwg/transfer/iu_transfers.pdf</a></p>
<p>I am not in Kelly but I also had a hard time getting into honors classes for Spring 2014. At freshman orientation I met with a Huttons honors advisor and they were of no help. In fact they had me sign up for classes that I did not need to take and others that were filled with juniors. When I met with my departmental advisor they helped me straighten things out.</p>
<p>ace550 – ah, I’m still getting used to no longer being involved in academic decisions. Since she has the BC Calc credit, it was DD’s plan to take M301 or 303 (Linear), M365 (Stats) and one more math class to get a Math Minor, as you described. But the only option was to take M303 with a poorly-rated prof and a (dreaded) Friday class, or take M118 with a highly-rated prof at a timeslot that fit nicely in her schedule. She didn’t consider waiting until Sophomore year to take M301/303 because she was afraid of going so long without taking a math class and forgetting everything. So her desire for the perfect schedule with the highly-rated M118 prof was greater than her desire to go for the math minor. Not sure I agree, but it’s not my choice. (sigh) It’s hard to know how much benefit a math minor would give a finance major anyway. She did look into taking A201/A205 and even L201/L293 in the spring, but those too were either full or didn’t fit into her desired schedule. Not surprised they were mostly full, since they are typically sophomore classes. She is also going for a Spanish minor, and I doubt she will give that up. She is planning to take the E201 equivalent at our local CC this summer (online) to help with the i-core prereqs and she’ll be knocking out both T175 and T275 this year.</p>
<p>raquetdad – my second-hand info on advisors is similar to ace550. DD’s Kelley advisor is new this year, and DD says “she doesn’t know anything”. And she has only met with her HH advisor in groups, never 1-on-1. I assume she could always schedule a 1-on-1 with her HH advisor, but has chosen not to do that. This is just one second-hand observation. I assume other students have more positive experiences with their advisors.</p>
<p>My suggestion Re: advisors is to meet with a number of them early on in the process, find one you like and is informed, and stick with them. Although I wasn’t in Kelley, my major had 3 primary advisors–I took appointments with all 3, found the one I liked, and stuck with her through all 4 years. I had a number of friends in Kelley who did similar things.</p>
<p>Honestly, you don’t need an advisor too terribly much after your first couple years unless you’re trying to do a difficult double major combination. Generally I checked in with mine just to make sure I hadn’t forgotten a class I needed to graduate and to ask if they had any tidbits of advice. Mine passed on what the easiest foreign language at IU was–and she was right!</p>
<p>Hey racquetdad, I was at Michigan 30 years ago! Sorry to get off topic, but what year did you graduate and were you in the b school?</p>
<p>Thanks to everyone for the comments. Yes b-school at U of M, graduated 1983. Unfortunately for OOS, U of M is not affordable. But IU/Kelley looks like a great place for my D. </p>
<p>Just curious, what is the easiest foreign language at IU?</p>
<p>Dutch, actually. Only 1 professor teaches it, so you have the whole program with the same professor. I had a French background but needed something a little ‘lighter’–took 3 semesters and loved it. Esther Ham is a great professor…outside of that, as long as you try you get an A</p>
<p>To sum things up , I thought I would provide my thoughts. Currently a first semester OOS freshman DA (finance & accounting) and HHC student. I registered for fall classes on June 10th and was able to pick any class any time (from what I could tell). Currently I am in two honors classes. It is very important, that if you (or your child) come to IU that you play around with the shopping cart (SIS) and fill it before you get to orientation. This will make the whole process easier because you will be familiar with the software. </p>
<p>As for registering for second semester classes, I had enough credits to register on November 12th. This time many classes were full. I wanted to take financial accounting honors but am currently the 2 spot on the waitlist for the 8AM section. Fortunately, I did get into one of the few spots in BUS-C 106 for the spring semester. I have noticed that many Indiana high school students come in with an absurd amount of credits. A friend had some 50+ credits due to “Dual Credit Courses.” Being OOS, I am not entirely sure what that is, but from what he has explained, its over the top. If dual credit is an option for you, take it. All my credits were from AP; I had 29. </p>
<p>Regarding advisors, I like to know things for myself, so to be honest they were useless for me. Granted during the summer I did a ton of research on IU, but specifically on Kelley classes. I went in with the classes, times, and section number I wanted, they looked at it and said great. </p>
<p>This semester I took, BUS-A 100, BUS-K 204, BUS-T 175, SPEA-S 161, MATH-M 118, SOC-S 110. If you have any questions, please contact me.</p>
<p>vikingplyr thanks for insight. Do you, or anyone else, recall the first week that you can come for orientation and the last week you can attend orientation. My D does not graduate high school until mid June. Do they have orientation all of June and July?</p>
<p>First orientation was June 4th and 5th last year. My brother went before graduation so he would get classes he wanted</p>