<p>I've seen this thread in prior years, but not this year. Does anyone know when Fordham RH notifies accepted students about Honors?</p>
<p>Does anyone know what % of semi-finalist scholars are accepted into honors?</p>
<p>Honors is top 20 students I believe in any given year.</p>
<p>My friend’s brother did honors. He said he enjoyed the classes a lot, but decided to transfer to an Ivy League school in his sophomore year. </p>
<p>It isn’t based on semi-finalist standing I don’t believe.</p>
<p>My friend’s brother had a 4.3 GPA (mostly A+'s) and around a 35 I believe. So, the bar is very high.</p>
<p>what about the Global Business Honors at the Gabelli School of Business? Does anyone know when they notify people about that or how many students the invite to participate every year.</p>
<p>All applicants are considered for the honors programs. Early action admits are notified of acceptance in January or February. Regular decision admits are notified in April. If not all seats are filled by the May 1st decision deadline, the program will continue to admit enrolled students through the summer.</p>
<p>There are 35 spots per year in the Rose Hill program. I believe there are about 15 in Gabelli and 20 in LC. Admissions is not based solely on SAT/GPA. Rather, candidates are evaluated holistically by a panel of faculty and the program director. </p>
<p>I’m in the Rose Hill honors program, so if you have any specific questions about that, I’d be happy to help. It’s been a phenomenal experience so far, so I love talking about it!</p>
<p>Only 35 students are in the honors college? Wow.</p>
<p>It’s not a college, but rather a program. Honors students take many classes with the rest of the Fordham student body, but core requirements are mostly taken with each other. There are 35 students per year, so just under 150 students total. Honors classes are all small and seminar in style - about 12 students per section.</p>
<p>Thanks Yenrod. I’m glad you responded. I do have a couple of questions. Do the honors students each take ALL of these courses see below? If so, then the first two years they are taking 3 to 4 of their 5 or so courses with the honors students. Do they also house with them in an honors dorm? If so, is it hard to meet the rest of the students at Fordham, and is it a haves vs. have-nots situation? Maybe you could fill us in on the whole culture thing.</p>
<p>Honors Courses
Freshmen, Fall Semester
HPRU 1001-Ancient Literature (3 credits)
An examination of the Greek, Roman, and biblical texts which have played a central role in the definition of the Western tradition.</p>
<p>HPRU 1002-Ancient Philosophy (3 credits)
An examination of the Greek and Roman texts which have served as the foundation for subsequent Western philosophical thought.</p>
<p>HPRU 1003-Ancient History/Art (3 credits)
An overview of the history and art of the ancient world, with particular emphasis on the classical world of Greece and Rome.</p>
<p>HPRU 1004-Honors Mathematics (3 credits)
An introduction to the dynamics of mathematical thought for non-science majors. Attention will be paid to both the historical development of central mathematical concepts and the implications of these concepts for contemporary life.
Exemptions given for scores of 4 or 5 on the Calculus AB or BC exam.</p>
<p>Freshmen, Spring Semester
HPRU 1051-Medieval Literature/Art (3 credits)
An examination of the literature and art of the medieval world.</p>
<p>HPRU 1052-Medieval Philosophy/Theology (3 credits)
An examination of major medieval thinkers, including Augustine, Anselm, and Aquinas.</p>
<p>HPRU 1053-Medieval History (3 credits)
An overview of the history of the medieval world, including an examination of the rise and spread of Islam.</p>
<p>Sophomores, Fall Semester
HPRU 2001-Early Modern Literature/Art (3 credits)
An examination of the literature and art of the period from the Renaissance to the mid-19th century.</p>
<p>HPRU 2002-Early Modern Philosophy/Theology (3 credits)
An examination of the major thinkers from the Renaissance to the mid-19th century, with particular emphasis on the figures of the Enlightenment.</p>
<p>HPRU 2003-Early Modern History/Music (3 credits)
An overview of the history and music of the period from the Renaissance to the mid-19th century.</p>
<p>HPRU 2004-Honors Science I (3 credits, Psychology and Biology)
A hands-on examination of a question which is the focus of contemporary scientific inquiry. The particular question considered will vary from semester to semester and will usually be addressed from the perspective of more than one scientific discipline. Typical courses examine mind/body questions from the perspective of biology and psychology and environmental issues from the perspective of chemistry and physics.
Exemptions given for scores of 4 or 5 on the relevant AP exams.</p>
<p>Sophomores, Spring Semester
HPRU 2051-Contemporary Literature/Music (3 credits)
An examination of the literature and music of the contemporary period, with attention to both European/American texts and texts from world literature.</p>
<p>HPRU 2052-Contemporary Social and Political Thought (3 credits)
An examination of the major works of social and political thought which have helped define the modern world.</p>
<p>HPRU 2053-Contemporary History/Art (3 credits)
An overview of the history and art of the contemporary period.</p>
<p>HPRU 2005-Honors Science II (3 credits, Physics and Chemistry)
A hands-on examination of a question which is the focus of contemporary scientific inquiry. The particular question considered will vary from semester to semester and will usually be addressed from the perspective of more than one scientific discipline. Typical courses examine mind/body questions from the perspective of biology and psychology and environmental issues from the perspective of chemistry and physics.
Exemptions given for scores of 4 or 5 on the relevant AP exams.</p>
<p>Juniors, Fall Semester
HPRU 3001-Religion in the Modern World (4 credits)
An examination of the way that the world’s major religious traditions have come to terms with the philosophical and practical challenges of modernity.</p>
<p>Juniors, Spring Semester
HPRU 3051-Ethical Dimensions of Contemporary Social Problems (4 credits)
An examination of a particular modern problem from the perspective of both social and ethical analysis. The problem to be considered will vary, although it will generally be either international in scope or able to be viewed from a number of different traditions.</p>
<p>Seniors, Fall or Spring Semester
HPRU 4001-Honors Thesis (4 credits)
An extended original research project in one’s major field, prepared under the guidance of a faculty mentor.</p>
<p>also, there are upper classmen Honors Programs available. They are in the Bulletin and explained there. They are also by invitation, normally after freshmen year grades are in and when Dean’s List comes out, some also by interview with faculty. </p>
<p>So the Freshman Honors Program (that runs 4 years) is not the only Honors programs available on campus. </p>
<p>Fordham does a very good job of tapping outstanding students (3.6 cumulative gpa and up) for special programs, honors, or fellowships. If you do the work, it pays off handsomely. </p>
<p>I also recommend that you not become one of the boo birds who go professor shopping, looking for easy profs and easy A’s. That is actually counter productive. Helps you on the front side and ends up being very costly as you will be quickly outed as a light weight. The students who become “the talk of the faculty” are ALWAYS the ones who embrace the most difficult professors, the most challenging majors, and take a heavy work load, while engaging in community service projects, working on Fordham committees and clubs of merit and making a difference to the Fordham community at large. The boo birds flit from tree to tree making nothing but noise, if you know what I mean. The path of least resistance is the path to nowhere. Trust me. The Senior Administrators and Department Heads KNOW who the top students are in every class by name. And they are delighted when those students sign up for their courses, even if they are wicked hard and more demanding than you can fathom and sometimes overwhelming. But its all good. The end result is an education worth its weight in gold…(and the price tag is like the price of gold!) </p>
<p>Fordham has OUTSTANDING faculty in every department. </p>
<p>Many students also take courses at Lincoln Center (if you are a Rose Hill student), for the experience and perspective. That is also a wise choice. </p>
<p>The Freshman Honors program is superb and the Directors (Dr. Nasuti) is superb. Its a very demanding and rigorous program, but its unique and not for everyone. But like I said, there are more ways to skin a cat, so if you don’t get the invitation, DON’T make the mistake of blowing off Fordham or getting down in the mouth. There will be all sorts of opportunities made available to you if you do the work. I know this because (not bragging here, just being informative) its what happened to my D1 and ALL her friends (this core group of really, really smart kids who rose to the top of the class very quickly…top 5%). The phone calls, emails, letters, and even faculty taking them by the hand to say, “Did you consider this program or that program…its Honors Level and it can do this for you or that for you, etc.” </p>
<p>Fordham is very, very good about that kind of thing. They notice the best students quickly and mentor them. </p>
<p>Best of luck to all you. Merry Christmas.</p>
<p>Honors and Housing: </p>
<p>There are no honors dorms, so honors students live with the rest of the Fordham student body. So it’s very easy to meet and be friends with non-honors students.</p>
<p>Scheduling: </p>
<p>Regarding the math and two science courses, if you need a specific class for your major, or you would rather take a different math/science class, you are able to opt out of the honors courses. Additionally, if you have AP or IB credit in the appropriate subjects, you are able to opt out of any or all of the math/science classes and up to one of the humanities classes per semester. So, for example, the past three semesters and this upcoming semester I have had three honors classes and two non-honors classes. Some of my friends have had only two honors during one or two of the first four semesters. You can also take the honors science courses in your junior year if you’d like to take more elective/major classes during your first two years. It’s all flexible and handled on a case-by-case basis. And, there are a lot of students who have the appropriate AP credits but still choose to take the honors classes because the are just so good. </p>
<p>Haves vs. have-nots: </p>
<p>All of the best students at Fordham are rewarded for their success in many different ways (greater access to research opportunities, upper-class honors societies, special interdisciplinary programs, prestigious seminars, grants for summer internships/research, etc.). So if you are a good student, but not in honors, Fordham still treats you very well. And Fordham recognizes that just because you may be in honors, doesn’t mean that you are one of Fordham’s best students. So in this sense, it’s not really the haves vs. the have-nots. Yes, honors students have access to the best Fordham professors and on average much smaller classes. But, the professors that teach honors also teach other courses open to everyone. And there’s so many good professors who don’t teach honors. Likewise, the average Fordham class is only 22 students and the vast majority of classes are not more than 30 students. So even if you’re not in honors, you have access to small classes. For instance, of the non-honors classes that I’ve had, one has had 10 students, three have had between 23-28, and one has had 6. Meanwhile, all of my honors classes have had between 10-15 students. </p>
<p>Honors students do have 24-hour, unlimited access to a small house that has a classroom and study lounge (each student is given a key at the beginning of freshman year). A lot of honors classes are held here and many honors students use it to study late into the night with each other. On weekends there are sometimes parties, but non-honors students are frequently invited to these. This house is probably the most visible distinction between honors and non-honors students, but to many Fordham students, it goes unnoticed. </p>
<p>Other cultural aspects: </p>
<p>The small size of the program is part of what makes it so special. Because you have many classes with the same pool of people, you learn to be very comfortable with each other in and out of class. Group work and studying sessions are simple because you know everyone personally. Even more important, you all will draw upon a similar knowledge base because you have all taken the same classes and professors. So, for example, when you are discussing early modern philosophy, you can easily refer to examples from the medieval or ancient period and everyone will know exactly what you are talking about. </p>
<p>The Honors program also hosts various social events, such as a beginning-of-the-year barbeque, Holiday party, and end-of-the-year banquet. There is also a Freshmen excursion into the City, an honors tea with faculty members, and a book-reading club with a distinguished member of the administration. You will also go, as a class, to two operas at the Metropolitan Opera House (as part of the music history portion of your courses). Finally, there are numerous honors-funded opportunities to attend broadway/off broadway shows, concerts, and museum events in conjunction with your class. For example, in my early modern literature class, we studied Shakespeare’s the Merchant of Venice. Then, as a class, we saw The Merchant of Venice with Al Pacino on Broadway. It was an awesome educational experience. </p>
<p>Let me know if you have more questions!</p>
<p>yenrod - do all the honors students live on campus? Do any commute? Also, do you know any of the students who are in formation at St. John Neumann College Seminary?</p>
<p>Interesting questions - In my year, one student is in formation at Neumann and another student has commuted since the beginning. Now, several others also live off campus. The honors program isn’t formally tied to your residence in any way (although many honors students do choose to live together).</p>
<p>yenrod - what were your “stats” and other factors that you think got you invited into honors?</p>
<p>Many honors students at Fordham were also accepted into ivy league universities and other prestigious schools. While there are no official minimum requirements for admission, I would say SAT scores of at least 1400 (math/verbal) and a GPA of at least 3.7 (unweighted) would be general minimums (but many honors student have stats well above this). Applicants are reviewed holistically for admission into honors, so extracurriculars, essays, and teacher recs are also considered. I actually think these may be important than stats because a lot of students with SATs of at least 1400 and GPAs of at least 3.7 don’t get into honors. </p>
<p>The honors director also sometimes considers interest in the program, so if you think you may be a borderline candidate for honors, it may help to contact the director to express your interest.</p>
<p>thx yenrod - maybe I will reach out to the honors diector if you don’t think its too pushy
btw - i loved fordham after 2 visits and hope to visit a friend who is a freshman - what other schools did you apply to? i hope to have the choice between fordham and an ivy - the girl who was my tourguide turned down stanford to come and couldn’t be happier</p>
<p>did you have to wait til april to find out about admission/scholarship/honors? the waiting is killing me!
thx again for all the info - its so helpful!</p>
<p>tommy:</p>
<p>Let me reiterate, to clarify…and underscore what Yenrod is saying to you.</p>
<p>At Fordham the Honors Program for freshmen (which lasts four years btw) is very, very small. Its a misnomer that all the kids with stats above 1400 get invited or even attend the program. In fact a substantial majority of kids with uber stats dont, for a variety of reasons. Its a strong program but a very long committment of time and limits to some extent your ability to choose courses down the road. Its a wonderful program. I admire it, its students and its director. But its not the only game in town. There are other upperclassmen programs with Honors qualifications that can be offered to you later. </p>
<p>So if you dont get offered, dont run away from Fordham. Or put another way, don’t make getting into the Honors Program your only reason to attend Fordham. </p>
<p>You will be PLENTY challenged at Fordham regardless of your SAT scores. In fact, you may experience exhaustion from a normal courseload. I’ve seen it a dozen times from brilliant students. </p>
<p>Don’t judge Fordham as a school for the mushy middle. Its highly selective and extremely challenging once you attend. Its not an easy school to earn a 4.0…let alone a 3.9. </p>
<p>If you are attracted to Fordham, then pick Fordham for what it is…above and beyond the Honors Program. If you are invited, great! If not, don’t fret. </p>
<p>Picking a college has a lot to do with your gut feeling…where you can survive and thrive and be happiest. Go with that feeling.</p>
<p>Agreed, Ghostbuster. The honors program is phenomenal, but there is so much more about Fordham that I truly love as well. And I know one or two students at Fordham who were admitted into honors but turned it down. There are a lot of intelligent students in honors, but there are many more equally talented students not in honors. </p>
<p>@tommyk:
For early action, the first round of honors admits are notified sometime in January or February. For regular decision, you must wait until April. For both early and regular decision, you will be notified of the final size of your scholarships in April (although early action candidates may be given a preliminary amount in December).</p>