<p>“Family pearls and tattoos aren’t all that incompatible in my experience.”</p>
<p>Smith is a good place to find this combination.</p>
<p>“Interesting that it is not specific enough to identify the school–just the era.”</p>
<p>College a cappella groups have always had a lot of cross-pollination. Other than signature songs that are about the specific group (like the Whiffenpoofs and Tigertones have), good jokes get traded around.</p>
<p>I disagree with QM. Challenging the status quo is valued at Harvard, as long as you do so in prescribed ways that have been established and agreed upon at Harvard and the ivy league in general.</p>
<p>Quant Mech, could your friend be a Mount Holyoke alumna?</p>
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<p><a href=“http://www.nytimes.com/1998/08/25/opinion/hillary-clinton-s-muddled-legacy.html[/url]”>http://www.nytimes.com/1998/08/25/opinion/hillary-clinton-s-muddled-legacy.html</a></p>
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<p>I wish someone would teach Gracious Living – or at least a Miss Manners class. A little bit of etiquette goes a long way.</p>
<p>When my son was in middle school he wanted to go to “Cotillion” classes to learn how to dance because dancing was part of the school musical. We explained that cotillion dancing and musical theater dancing were not the same thing, but signed him up anyway. The first evening of classes the instructors made it very clear that etiquite and manners was definitely a part of the program. It turned out that the program was one they had managed for one of the service academies to train cadets how to behave in a formal setting. I think it was a very worthwhile class, and he can waltz if he needs to.</p>
<p>They had dinner manners and etiquette at Caltech (not a formal course) as D explained that many student were from others countries with different cultures.</p>
<p>Caltech also has a required cooking class.</p>
<p>Our kids were invited to one of those manner schools when they were in third grade. They had to wear white gloves, party dress and shoes once a week. It was fun for few weeks then they were over it.</p>
<p>lol, colleagealum314, post #722</p>
<p>Thanks for the suggestion, Periwinkle–I was starting to wonder whether it might have been Mount Holyoke. I do not have a good sense of the differences among the women’s colleges in the Seven Sisters–but imagine that there are people in this forum who do.</p>
<p>Last time they held any classes like that at Oberlin was sometime in the early-mid '60s before the coming of the Anti-Vietnam war protests and the hippie counterculture which rejected them as vestiges of the “evil establishment”. </p>
<p>From looking through an old 1954 yearbook, they certainly made references to “Learning Thy Parlor Conduct” on one page with a cartoon of a male and female student sitting separately on a same parlor couch. </p>
<p>If anyone tried holding such classes when I attended, there will likely be students organizing a protest against it.* Nowadays, students may organize an Exco class as an to make fun of it in an ironic hipster way.</p>
<p>As for myself, mom and her siblings did their best to instill upper-middle class dining etiquette to all of us cousins. Despite that, I still strongly identify with Leonardo DiCaprio’s character in the Titanic when he was concerned about the formal etiquette of dining in first class when he was invited there after saving Kate Winslet’s character.** </p>
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<p>** Went there at the urging of a college date. She didn’t appreciate my joining with other male audience members in turning it into a Naval action adventure film through actions such as singing the US Navy’s Anchor’s Aweigh or cheered on the iceberg(Sink! Sink! Sink!). The Navy part was from having a contingent of Naval cadets in the audience.</p>
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<p>??? where did you get that idea from?
I sure dont see any cooking classes required here…only a “menu” of Freshman classes to choose from…</p>
<p>[Core</a> Curriculum - Caltech Caltech Undergraduate Admissions](<a href=“http://admissions.caltech.edu/learning/2013Core]Core”>http://admissions.caltech.edu/learning/2013Core)</p>
<p><a href=“http://admissions.caltech.edu/documents/105-core_curriculum_requirements_2013.pdf[/url]”>http://admissions.caltech.edu/documents/105-core_curriculum_requirements_2013.pdf</a></p>
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<p>QM, I adore you, but must you be so literal?</p>
<p>People of substance define leadership as leadership in whatever endeavor someone chooses to pursue - whether that is the minister who influences a small community, the cancer researcher, or the Wall Street big wig.</p>
<p>People who are shallow – and there are plenty of them on CC, that’s for sure! – define leadership either as “making a lot of money to throw around” or doing something that has big national / international impact, e.g., finding the cure for cancer.</p>
<p>Anyway, at the end of the day, who cares “what Yale looks for” or if they allegedly value their Wall Street alumni over their minister alumni? I can’t imagine measuring my life that way. I measure my life by what I value, not by what others value.</p>
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<p>Yes, we know, cobrat. You cover up your clear distaste and discomfort with people whom you perceive as being more upper-class than you are by thinking that if you prank them or make fun of them, that’ll put them in their place. Too bad it doesn’t work and just makes you look silly.</p>
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<p>QM, my daughter looked at 4 of them, ED’d at Wellesley and would have ED II’d at Bryn Mawr if she hadn’t gotten into Wellesley. There are definitely differences. But that’s another forum entirely. And no, Wellesley girls aren’t saving themselves for Yale guys 
Their historical affiliations are MIT (they can take classes there, though my D hasn’t so far) and Harvard.</p>
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<p>Why must you exaggerate like this? Most people who are teachers or do public service just go about their daily lives like everyone else. Sure, they have bad days and the occasional annoying parent, but we all have bad days and annoying clients. Your belief that they are “scrutinized” is just part and parcel of your worldview that everyone “scrutinizes” everyone else and that the most important thing is how other people regard you. Have you never realized how very much your posts are always about how other people regard you or how other people regard other people? Affirmation in the eyes of others really is important to you, it seems, since you project it so much.</p>
<p>The Caltech admissions blog says that Cooking Basics is the most popular class at the university, requiring a lottery to enroll. Looks as if presentation is not a big part of the curriculum:</p>
<p>[Cooking</a> Class - Caltech](<a href=“Caltech”>Cooking Class - Caltech)</p>
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<p>We value what our favourite affinity group values, and we adjust our value to match that particular group.</p>
<p>[Ideology</a>, Motivated Reasoning, and Cognitive Reflection: An Experimental Study by Dan Kahan :: SSRN](<a href=“http://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=2182588]Ideology”>http://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=2182588)</p>
<p>On CC, it is mostly racial/ethnic affinity, followed by social-economic affinity, as far as I can tell.</p>
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<p>There is more of the former than the latter. When I write about the positive correlation between socioeconomic status and intelligence, I think that many of the people objecting are upper class themselves.</p>
<p>Re Pizzagirl, #732, asking whether I have to be so literal: I realize that statements by Admissions Offices are sometimes lightly brushed with fiction, to attract applicants.</p>
<p>Thanks to U.S. military recruiting ads, we now know that there can be “an Army of one.” So, when Yale says that it is looking for the “leaders of their generation,” do you think they could be looking for “a leader of one” ?</p>
<p>The phrase “leaders of their generation” does give me the impression that they are looking for leadership on a large scale.</p>
<p>If someone asked a random faculty member aoround here who the “leaders” of the University were, you might hear the President’s name. From some faculty, you would hear the names of the leading researchers (i.e., members of the National Academy or people clearly on their way there). On a good day, “with the light behind her/him, in the dark,” a Dean might merit mentioning. I don’t think most faculty would actually drop to the level of department chairpeople in naming leaders.</p>
<p>No, Beliavsky. It’s not that I don’t believe that there isn’t a correlation between SES and intelligence. I just dislike the conclusions you draw from it, which are that few people that are low SES are even worth bothering with or investing in, since the poor dears aren’t fit for anything beyond menial jobs. See, it’s possible to have both a brain AND a heart.</p>