<p>I'm taking Econ 101, Calc 2, English 124, Chinese I, and probably another business-related class (i'm thinking about transfering to Wharton/Sloan/ross)</p>
<p>How hard would it be for me to get a 4.0?</p>
<p>I usually get 4s or 5s in AP exams, and i usually get A's in high school</p>
<p>This applies to all but Chinese I, which I know nothing about...</p>
<p>The classes you're taking will be graded on curves, so even though (maybe even because) the material is fairly easy, if you sit back and do nothing you probably won't get a 4.0. That said, reasonable intelligence and a small amount of time spent studying before each exam will easy get you a 4.0.</p>
<p>I'd say hold off on the extra business class, because those classes already make 17 credits (4+4+4+5).</p>
<p>I study like HELL , like 5-8 hours almost eveyr night after school to get my 5s and 4s on AP. If i take those classes....do most people that take those classes at Michigan study a lot?</p>
<p>So you're saying that the Material is EASY, but COMPETITION is the hardest part?</p>
<p>hmm..calc2 is supposed to be the hardest math class at uofm, i got ap credit for it though. Econ 101 is definately manageable if you study, however it is a weeder class for bschool..so competition is tough. English 124..it really depends on what teacher you have..some are super hard, and some super easy. No idea about chinese 1...</p>
<p>Studying 5-8 hours is good..but a huge part of ross is on leadership and extracirriculars..so don't study all the time and try to get involved with clubs and such (i'm sure the same applies with wharton/sloan). I think the average gpa for our incoming ross class is 3.6. A 4.0 at college is a lot tougher than h.s. (esp. since an A- is a 3.7).</p>
<p>"calc2 is supposed to be the hardest math class at uofm"</p>
<p>Do you really believe this?</p>
<p>By the way, the econ 102 professor posted the solutions before the assignments were due last semester.</p>
<p>blah.. if you're chinese, i don't think you're allowed to get credit for chinese 1. go learn a new language. sheesh.</p>
<p>The people in calc 2 are usually the people who aren't any good at math, and think that math is the most evil thing ever. So of course they're going to complain and say it's really difficult. I've already taken 5 math classes that are more difficult than calc 2 (not just in difficulty of content, but also amount of material covered and time needed outside of class).</p>
<p>Not all Asian people speak an Asian language...</p>
<p>You're just a bad asian =P.</p>
<p>Niihla, let me clear up some horrible horrible lies you've been believing. First, just because a certain class is the most complained about by some of the university's whiniest students doesn't mean it's the hardest math class. You are terribly mistaken if you think any class that starts with a 1 in its course code is the hardest in the department. Like dilksy said, the people who take calc II tend to be those who don't like math, otherwise they would have pursued it in high school and passed out of it, so of course the grades are going to be low and there will be complaints of difficulty. Secondly, just because a class is a "weeder" for the b-school does not make it hard. Business school students at Michigan are by no stretch of the imagination geniuses, so there is nothing really special about those who pass 101. </p>
<p>To chanman: If you study 5-8 hours a night (I didn't even think this was physically possible and can't say I study that much in a week even), you should have no problem pulling a 4.0. If you study that much, you will undoubtedly be the hardest-working person in all your classes, so you should have no trouble pulling the 4.0. I have the feeling that your peers will not be the types who got 4's and 5's on all their AP exams. This may describe about 10-20% of the students in those classes, which puts you toward the top in the A range I think.</p>
<p>Way to hate on the b-school kids chibears, haha</p>
<p>"Business school students at Michigan are by no stretch of the imagination geniuses"</p>
<p>Haha, thanks for saying what I didn't have the balls to say.</p>
<p>Okay, I haven't even started at UM yet, but one consistent theme as I have followed similar threads for the past 6 months is that Econ 101 is more difficult than other traditional first year classes... because the B-school non-geniuses need to have a good grade in this class. The second highest horror story count is Math 115 (Calc I).</p>
<p>For me, even though I'm one of the non-genuises going to the B-School, I feel much more comfortable with Math 115 than Econ 101. Math comes easier for me and I know almost nothing about Econ. In short, I'm not too "scared" by the Math 115 stories, but I must admit the Econ stories got my stomach churning a bit.</p>
<p>As for which categories which majors have more geniuses, at most schools the engineers and pre-meds tend to be the smartest stat-wise. Finally, in defense of the B-School, it is ranked number 3 in the country, so my guess is that they have a higher proportion of geniuses than you might expect at other highly ranked schools.</p>
<p>Based on other posts, it seems like Chibears is pretty smart... even outside the math area. However, some math geniuses are not so great in literature and writing. (Okay, I admit, it's a lame poke... but I just couldn't let the dumping on the B-school thing sitting out there. I need help from one of the B-School geniuses.)</p>
<p>It's hard to believe that Math majors may be even more arrogant than B-School students. ;)</p>
<p>Okay, it's after almost 1:00 am and I already see two mistakes in my prior post. I'm going to bed! The Math nerds win.</p>
<p>B-school students are more arrogant, only because they can't back it up. It says something when every Honors math major could probably easily handle B-school, while probably not a single person from B-school could even attempt a math major.</p>
<p>\start the flamewar!</p>
<p>I actually do agree that many b school students are not as smart as many students in other departments. I think the b school will have around 1000 people starting next semester because of the 3-year program. They are by no means the top 1000 students at the U of M. I think there are plenty of smarter students in the LSA honors program and school of engineering. Too many b school kids do not know much about math or econ or about polisci/government stuff, which gives liberal arts majors one advantage. But then again b school students must meet LSA requirements as well. I think it's more of a choice that b school kids are in the b school as opposed to other disciplines, not because they're smarter and know so much about everything else.</p>
<p>I just got into the b school, but I do realize that liberal arts majors have certain advantages, and I was thinking about an honors concentration in economics with a minor in statistics instead. I've wanted to do research and write an honors thesis. But they gave me only 2 days to think about it, so I just decided I would go business since I do want to ultimately pursue a business career.</p>
<p>Okay, since we're having fun, I believe I could make it as an honors math major. I had College Calculus I and II in high school and ranked each class, went to math nerd camp at Duke TIP, scored in the 99th percentile on every standardized math test since grade school, and received a 35 on the Math ACT (didn't take the SAT).</p>
<p>I happen to find business more interesting and it involves numbers. Plus, for the math majors that don't go into academia, they likely be working for some B-School major or MBA. They average B-School student is also likely to make few more bucks after graduation than the math major. I won't even go into comparing the social IQs of math majors versus B-school majors.</p>
<p>In short, business folks rule the world and require a much broader skill set to do so.</p>
<p>It's too bad that the math nerds far outnumber the B-School students on this CC Board. I guess it's because the B-School students are out there making a nice chunk of change through their internships this summer.</p>
<p>How's that for flame throwing. ;) </p>
<p>P.S. In truth, I believe that most of the honors math majors would make it in the B-School. However, it might be a little more difficult than the cake walk you project. No matter what area you go into, you must have a passion for the subject to succeed (yes, even the geniuses). For example, I would probably stink up the place as a Sociology major because that area in no way trips my trigger.</p>
<p>High school math != real math. Not by a long shot. The introductory honors math sequence has broken people with far far more qualifications than you just listed there.</p>
<p>If you find business interesting, then go for it. But one of the main reasons I hear for people going into B-school is to make money, and that's pretty much the definition of a sell-out.</p>
<p>People always cite social lacking of math majors, but never really have anything to back it up. The only real difference is that we know that going out and getting trashed is pretty stupid, and apparently that's what qualifies as being "social" nowadays.</p>
<p>I think if you included the cost of room and board and reimbursement for activities along with my tax-free paycheck, I'm making more in 4 weeks at mathcamp than people with internships will make all summer.</p>
<p>How to begin? First, I don't drink, never have. I agree that getting trashed is stupid. Second, I imagine there are quite a few people that had my math qualifications in high school (or less) that are in the honors math sequence and doing okay. Third, "College" Calc is not high school math... thus, the word "College." Fourth, even though I prefer business over math, I don't see anything wrong with wanting to make money. This is what drives capitalism and allows the US to have the highest standard of living in the world. So, I'm in no way ashamed of wanting a decent paying job when I graduate. In fact, being rich wouldn't bother me one bit. Fifth, does it mean you're "selling out" if you make more money than your B-School peers this summer?</p>