How much are you trying to influence your DC's college choice?

<p>Just curious...</p>

<p>It seems like the parents I know really run the gamut. There are parents who say, "Well, my son [or daughter] is an adult now, and it's his choice." And then there are those who have a bullet list of 12 qualities a prospective college must have or all bets are off.</p>

<p>As for me, I've had my children explain and talk through their thinking with me, but I haven't tried to pressure them toward one college or another. But then... while I might not agree 100 percent with their reasoning, I don't have any qualms about the schools they have considered.</p>

<p>I’ve been asking my DD ever since her EA acceptances to give me two reasons she would like to matriculate to a college or not. Every day during car pool we will have the discussion about why this college or that college. We never discussed colleges to which she has not yet accepted. This actually motivated her to study more and more about her EA acceptances and falling in love with the one she will be joining this fall.</p>

<p>PVDMom: I have somewhat the same approach you have. We are talking about schools, evaluating and I am listening to my son as he comes to a decision. I think we are down to 2 schools. My problem is that I prefer one over the other even though the schools are similar and both would be a great fit for S. It is hard to not interject personal bias; hey, I am not the one going. I believe he needs to “own” his decision.</p>

<p>My daughter is a junior and we have made a few things very clear as to her choice. </p>

<p>First, safety is a factor. I went to a city school in a terrible neighborhood and in my opinion it took away from the carefree years of college. A violent crime (not student to student) took place in my dorm and left a heavy impression on me.</p>

<p>Second, financial factors will prevail. We told her if she gets into an ivy, we will find a way to pay. For the balance of her list, (non ivy) all other things being equal, if school A gives her 10K and school B gives her 1K, there would have to me a majorly compelling reason to ignore school A. She was unhappy with us when we had this conversation, but I am glad we had it when we did rather than wait till she is a senior – as many of her friend’s parents have done.</p>

<p>I’m with you on this, PVDMom. Although I narrowed the list down to 3 colleges based on finances, the final decision is with my DD. She worked pretty hard to have options, and now the final decision is weighing heavy on her shoulders. After she struck the safety from her list, we suggested she make a list of pros and cons for the final two. She is brooding over them and we’ve given her a goal to finalize her decision over Easter. I am beginning to realize that this is a very valuable life lesson for her, and she’ll come out as a more mature young lady having gone through this process.</p>

<p>I exerted influence in building the list. Once the acceptances came in though, the decision was the kid’s. I did act as a sounding board, and we spent lots of quality time at the kitchen table making and reviewing lists of pros, cons, and priorities for his two top-choice schools. But I tried to stay as neutral as I could. He earned the acceptances, and he earned the right to choose. Also, on a neurotic parent level, I felt that if if I pressured him one way or the other, <em>I</em> would bear at least some responsibility for everything, big or small, that went wrong over the next four years.</p>

<p>I pushed much harder when D was choosing which HS to go. In regard to colleges, we had a list of them that we all agreed and we let D to decide which one.</p>

<p>He picked the colleges to apply to…I didn’t have much input there. He had done the research and knew what he wanted and they were all fine. Some I didn’t quite “get” the appeal but none were schools I couldn’t live with.</p>

<p>It really came down to money for us. That was hard for my son to swallow because if his dream school lived up to its reputation for poor aid, then he would’ve been upset at us at the school and at the world. But they did come through with a nice package and then he got an even better package at another schoo and he just couldn’t resist.</p>

<p>Ironically, I was trying to sway him to slow down and realize that his dream school was within reach, but the other package was too good and he made the final decision.</p>

<p>I think it is totally fine to talk with a kid, be a devil’s advocate, argue with their reasoning if it doesn’t make sense and just generally be a normal parent…as long as the kid knows that ultimately you are behind their decision and ability to make the decision.</p>

<p>I smiled at this thread title.</p>

<p>My S is so not engaged in the search (as far as I can tell) I truly believe if I told him, “Here is the best school for you,” he’d say, OK Mom. :D</p>

<p>Having two other sons go through the process of looking at Engineering/Science/CS schools helps. We feel like we know the schools…we just don’t know what HE wants! If even he knows.</p>

<p>Ask me again next year at this time.</p>

<p>Our sons were ambivalent at the beginning of the process so I was heavily involved in picking schools to consider to get the ball rolling. They picked school they liked which led to other schools. This time around, financials had to be considered. He only applied to schools with a low sticker price or had good merit possibilities for him. When it came down to the decision, it was his choice.</p>

<p>Like wjb, I spent more time with D on the process of building the application list. There were some schools I hoped she’d apply to but they didn’t make her final list for whatever reason. But by the time she’d narrowed it down to her five applications, she, H and I were all comfortable with whatever choices that list would provide her come spring. Of her choices, I would probably have picked a different option for myself, but at that point it was HER decision.</p>

<p>He earned the acceptances, and he earned the right to choose. Also, on a neurotic parent level, I felt that if if I pressured him one way or the other, <em>I</em> would bear at least some responsibility for everything, big or small, that went wrong over the next four years.</p>

<p>Excellent point! Thank you for sharing this, it will be my mantra the next three weeks.</p>

<p>mommusic, you’re not alone! When it was time for my son to start looking at colleges, he showed no interest whatsoever. Weary of my prompting (o.k., nagging), he finally said, “Mom, you know me. You pick.” So I did. I chose the initial pool of five schools and once the field was thus narrowed, he perked up, became much more involved in the process, and ultimately made the final decision without needing any more input from me.</p>

<p>I would not have picked any of the colleges my kids did. For the first, he did make the wrong choice, I still think. The second, I reluctantly concede that he probably made the right choice. The third, though I still am nursing a bit of a sore for his choice, he is doing so well, and is so happy, and it is such a great match, that I feel he did well.</p>

<p>I lot of this depends on the child, and also on the specific choices.</p>

<p>With my first child, the final choice came down to two colleges, and my wife and I had a clear preference, based on emotion, logic (decent, but not overwhelming), and money (but not a huge difference). I limited myself to rational discussion of the pros and cons, making my feelings clear, but leaving the final decision to my child. I felt gratified and affirmed when the “right” choice was made. Only recently – four years later – did I learn that my wife was far more directive than I, and had said, essentially, “You have to choose this one.” But it was really OK. The child liked both colleges plenty, and understood why we preferred one over the other. She has been happy with her choice. She is adept at using guilt in parental management, and I have never even gotten a hint that we should feel bad about having steered her to the college she attends. I would also say that with this child, we had very little involvement in anything up to that point. She handled all of the decisions about where to apply and how herself, merely telling us what she was doing and letting us say “Sounds good.” (And of course getting the credit card to pay application fees.)</p>

<p>With our second child, the final choice was much more difficult, both for us and for him. Both parents and child had a strong emotional preference for one college, but the other cost much less. There were some logical reasons to prefer the first, but nothing that justified the cost differential. Our parental dilemma was whether to tell him he had to choose the less expensive college. He would have understood if we had, and may even have been expecting us to do that, but in the end we decided not to. Things would have been different, of course, if real hardship had been involved. (Although when I look at my retirement savings, I’m not so sure we didn’t merely defer real hardship.)</p>

<p>Other cases: A few years ago, one of our friends got bizarrely fixated on his daughter’s choice between Tweedledum College and Tweedledee College (longstanding traditional rivals of absolutely equal quality). She wanted 'Dum, for perfectly good, but trivial reasons. (The town was cuter. Someone who had a job she would like to have some day had gone there.) Her father had fallen in love with 'Dee’s marketing materials, and sincerely believed that 'Dee was “better” in significant respects. He made her go back to 'Dee twice to see whether she wouldn’t recognize its superiority. Finally a few of his adult friends intervened and told him that no one except he believed there was a meaningful educational difference between 'Dum and 'Dee, and he really ought to back off (which he did).</p>

<p>Back in the day, my parents essentially gave me a list of seven colleges to which I was allowed to apply. (I probably could have gotten it expanded by a few if I had pushed back.) It was a little disconcerting, but not so serious, since there was really only one college I was interested in that they were excluding. When it came to the final choice, I chose the “wrong” one from their standpoint. I knew what they thought, but it didn’t occur to me to care that much, since they were old and out-of-touch, etc. It was another Tweedledum-Tweedledee situation, and I had pretty airtight reasons for my preference. I was right. I did the same thing to them when grad school rolled around, although this time I didn’t let them limit where I applied. My final choice was so bizarre to them that, had it ever occurred to them that I might really go that way they might have tried to forbid it. They were beside themselves, and tried for months to get me to change the decision. I was right then, too, which they acknowledged a few years later.</p>

<p>It’s clear that you have to really know your child…</p>

<p>A self directed, ambitious, list-making kid probably has it all mapped out. Might need some reality checking, guidance and discussion from a parent but moves right along.</p>

<p>Some kids are probably so overwhelmed by all the different options that they welcome a sensible parent giving suggestions and helping with making that initial list or a final decision.</p>

<p>My son was so good and organized that I thought it was all under control and tried to stay out of the way. Whenever I asked, he had it all taken care of (testing, letters, applications, I mean everything). I took this to mean he didn’t want my input and left him alone on the topic. –>wrong! He DID want my interest and input and to hash it out with me.</p>

<p>Once I started showing real interest, well we argued a bit, but it made the whole process better for me and he felt much, much more supported. Now I am much more actively involved and he is much happier.</p>

<p>It is hard to know, I should’ve asked.</p>

<p>I really appreciate the thoughtful posts on this thread. DD is probably the dictionary definition of highly organized and motivated. She also faces happy if difficult decisions, having been accepted to all of the Ivies she applied to, whose calculations about need-based aid vary tremendously, versus excellent merit-based packages. So my role is actually similar to what it was when we were doing campus visits: getting more information. As in calling the financial aid offices and talking with them. Wish me luck!</p>

<p>D’s process was pretty rational and extended over three years, though she needed a little push on things like getting the !@#$%^&*! application essays done and was philosophically against test prep but gained much in the way of merit money by going ahead and doing it.</p>

<p>LAC X and Ivy Y were my top two choices for her after visiting and the admissions committee at Ivy Y obviated the need for making a choice. D’s two finalists were LAC X and LAC Z, about a two-hour drive apart. During Decision April, she did an overnight at LAC Z.</p>

<p>When I picked her up in the morning it seemed to have gone okay but it was a very gray, drizzling morning. Halfway to LAC X, we burst out into bright blue sky and sunshine. Not a gradual transition, it was as if someone had drawn a line across the clouds with a cleaver, crossing the highway at a 90-degree angle, with no clouds whatsoever on the sunny side. I bit my lip extremely hard to keep from saying, “A sign! A sign!” </p>

<p>D enrolled at LAC X and years later I found out that she was biting her lip just as hard with the same thoughts. LOL!!!</p>

<p>Worked out fabulously, fwiw.</p>

<p>I’m a bit of a worrywort, so my parent’s have talked me out of applying to colleges I don’t really want to go to but would give me full scholarships (I’m a national merit finalist). But they honestly haven’t messed with the schools I really like and applied to, although my mom helped me find schools (I got overwhelmed by the number of colleges, even when I limited my search to the West). The choice is going to come down to aid, but that’s my choice, as well. I want to put them–and me–in the lowest financial difficulties I can. Mom loves my top two choices–we’re just waiting for one to send out FA information (waiting… and waiting… and waiting)</p>

<p>Both in choosing where to apply and choosing where to attend, I spend most of my energy not so much in steering D toward the colleges I like but in steering her away from colleges I don’t like.</p>

<p>The fact that I’m still at it during the attendance selection process suggests that I wasn’t necessarily all that successful during the where-to-apply process.</p>