<p>CaliChineseGrl just asked a simple question. i answered it, and you have to get into some <strong><em>ing philosophical bull</em></strong><em>, why don't you just shut the *</em>* up? no one wants to hear your "its beauty on the inside that counts" and "everyone is beautiful" bull*<strong><em>. are you trying to insult my intelligence by saying that i don't understand your post? yeah, i understand your </em></strong>ing post. that *** is soft. there's nothing wrong with wanting to improve your appearance as long as it is to a healthy (non-obsessive) degree.</p>
<p>I'm sorry if you mistook my post as trying to say you're not intelligent - that was not my intention. But, clearly your intelligence must be questioned after your last post for several reasons. Firstly, you're attempting to argue with a stranger on the internet over a light-hearted thread, posted in a college-oriented site. (I personally don't like to start fights on the internet) Secondly, the extreme abuse of foul language in your last post only shows your lacking of vocabulary b/c you can't use a proper word instead of one that must be censored, and it is also indicative of the fact that you have to take out your anger in writing a post against me instead of taking out your anger in some other way. Additionally, I was referring not to only your post, but to a number of other posts (as I clearly indicated) - posts which simply are repeating what everyone knows.</p>
<p>My intention was/is not to argue with you, but to simply point out that most girls are attractive, and wearing makeup is not necessary - confidence is what may be lacking. I hope next time you don't post in the heat of your emotions.</p>
<p>well, what about the girls that arent attractive? i bet they should just give up, right? how do you expect someone to somehow be confident all the sudden when they've never recieved a compliment on their physical appearance in their life?</p>
<p>Again, the word 'attractive' is relative and in your opinion. Just because you feel some girls aren't 'attractive' doesn't mean they aren't in the eyes of another guy.</p>
<p>ok jenny jones</p>
<p>Damn I wish her show hadn't been cancelled. Sorry, I had to break it up some how.</p>
<p>I agree with Cash'd, confidence is key. If you don't have that, you don't think you have a chance so you don't bother going to work out or anything like that. As for braces and going to a dermatologist, not all of us can afford it.</p>
<p>i was simply pointing out how ppl thinks just by buying a magazine will make u pretty. those things rarely happen, btw. </p>
<p>creams and medication don't create mircales. </p>
<p>if a girl feels attractive, who gives a damn what a guy thinks?</p>
<p>idealistically if you like a person enough, it really doesn't matter how they look anymore. idealistically, of course.</p>
<p>and i don't kno about guys but the first thing i look at is not whether the guy has zits or not, it is whether i feel comfortable around him.</p>
<p>you want to see a miracle? i'll show you a miracle..</p>
<p>and that's without working out. imagine how much more confidence she has now. i'm not saying everyone has to try be pretty, but people can do things not just to be vain but to make them feel better about themselves in general. if a girl feels attractive, good for her (most don't). if someone looks in the mirror and doesn't like what they see, why are you telling them just to accept it? if you were failing at a class at school, wouldn't you do something about it?</p>
<p>You're obviously not an unattractive young woman. If you look in the mirror and don't like what you see, you get depressed. If you're depressed about a lot of things, you feel overwhelmed and helpless. So maybe you concentrate on something that you're good at, say schoolwork. You sink yourself into that so you can forget about the stuff you're depressed about. Soon, you don't care about what you look like because you have 12 billion other more important things to worry about. Sure you get lonely and then bitter towards the pretty popular girls, but you're the one that's learning more.</p>
<p>nah, i'm actually a guy, but i understand. i used to be overweight. sometimes, I became depressed when i looked in the mirror and saw a fat kid. instead of focusing on something else, blaming genetics, or trying to convince myself that i was a beautiful and unique snowflake (like a lot of you are advocating), I got up off my ass and helped myself physically. i started exercising, eating healthier, joined a sport, and changed myself completely. only after i had done this, my confidence surged and my friends told me that my personality changed for the better. </p>
<p>if i never made a change, i know i'd still be unhappy. that's why it annoys me when people just say to give up or learn to accept it. you can at least gain some sort of self-respect by doing something.</p>
<p>Ivyleaguechamp, I think it is only fair to point out a number of flaws in your 2nd to last post. You gave an ABC reality show as evidence, but this directly contradicts with a point I made earlier. By using evidence from the media, who is responsible for perpetuating the image of the ideal woman, you fail to prove your point at all. Your use of ABC's reality show only re-inforces my point that the media is responsible for your image of a beautiful woman. In fact, if you examine a number of celebrities who are supposedly 'beautiful,' you can see that deception is there. There are a number of websites which show how celebrities look without makeup - and they aren't as appealing without makeup. This shows that the whole notion of beauty is skewed because it's not attainable. Celebrities such as Pamela Lee Anderson, when not wearing makeup, wouldn't appeal to men. Celebrities such as her have to go through hours in the makeup room to meet their image.</p>
<p>Therefore, by you presenting the media's television shows as an example is wrong. The media's image of the ideal, beautiful woman is flawed in itself b/c it's unattainable. Ultimately, it comes down to this: when the girl doesn't wear makeup and doesn't look physically appealing, should the guy simply leave? You keep on arguing that makeup equates self-respect, but this doesn't make sense. Like I said, you fail to realize that if a relationship is based on the superficial, it's not going to last long. So even if a girl is able to get a boyfriend by improving her image, how will she keep him after he sees her in private without the makeup?</p>
<p>The idea that confidence is key shouldn't be taken lightly. The arguments you've made don't help in the long-run. Obviously people have to have some level of concern for their body and health (exercise, etc), but you take it to an extreme.</p>
<p>you can always take pride in your appearance in the long run. nothing i've ever said was too extreme. acne medication is too extreme? makeup is too extreme? what's wrong with you?</p>
<p>It appears still that you are unwilling to read my posts carefully. There's no point in posting in this thread anymore, seeing as this isn't an intelligent debate. If you want to debate, then read mine and other's posts carefully, instead of simply coming up with answers which make no logical sense. And instead of coming up with personal insults like, "what's wrong with you?" try and stick to the debate. There you go again with your emotions.</p>
<p>Sure you can take pride in your appearance, but what good will it do if you lack in other areas, such as personality? The original question which started this debate just talked about how to talk and get more guys. Clearly, I never argued that caring for one's physical appearance is not bad. But you take it too extreme, saying people NEED to read magzines in order to get guys. Are you suggesting people should reduce themselves to a few magazine clippings and base a part of their lifestyle on magazines and what the media teaches?</p>
<p>If you took the time to read my posts, you would see I never argued that exercise and other methods to maintain a person's body NATURALLY aren't bad. But, when you advocate using unnatural ways, there in lies the problem of going with what OTHERS tell you is beautiful.</p>
<p>it seems like you've got it all figured out. good for you.</p>
<p>I've never had a girlfriend in my life and i dont think that i've ever had a girl like me before in my life. Its not that im bad- looking, its that i dont have the social skills. I've talked to girls but it is not easy to talk to them or to have a smooth conversation with. If someone was to pick the oddest person in a crowd, it would probably be me. just at the beginning of senior year, i had this bizzare idea of living my whole life in the mountains (kind of like john muir), alone. Just me and the mountains, oh yeah, and math. Away from competition, from the noisy world. But as senior, i find that it would be very lonely doing math and living in the mountains my whole life. And as a senior, it feels like i need a girl. So my social skills have gotten a little better for the past few months.</p>
<p>girl simply wants you to go up and talk to them because it's weird for a girl to take the initiative...so don't be afraid...one advice for the young...dating is the way to go if you want freedom and not be restrained...too much trouble wen you get into serious relationship..you already have enough school work to stress about...</p>
<p>bump bump bump</p>
<p>hahah this is a hilarious site.</p>
<p>Cali--First things I notice about a guy are his height (over 6 feet) and his eyes.</p>
<p>Tongos-- Actually, some girls like shy guys because it gives them a more mysterious vibe. But just learn how to relax around girls...a great sense of humor is a huge plus.</p>
<p>ivyleaguechamp--haha you're hilarious. I like your cynical fire..are you hot</p>
<p>Ok, so my opinion on this matter. Cosmetic surgery is disgusting and au naturale is better. But by au naturale I mean wear makeup. I don't think any females should go without at least a little bit of makeup.</p>