How to Improve Black America

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No one views it as a uniquely white trait because, obviously, Obama is not white (for correctness, he is 50% white) - along with countless others. What people are looking at here are averages.

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That is exactly the thing. Obama is half-black. so when he speaks eloquently or articulately, it is said that he is "acting white." Many white americans call being articulate "acting white" because it is viewed as a uniquely white trait. if it weren't, then no one would be accusing Barack Obama of acting white.</p>

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That is exactly the thing. Obama is half-black. so when he speaks eloquently or articulately, it is said that he is "acting white." Many white americans call being articulate "acting white" because it is viewed as a uniquely white trait. if it weren't, then no one would be accusing Barack Obama of acting white.

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I've never heard the phrase "acting white" be used in reference to asians or even hispanics before. There is probably a pretty good reason for this: I think the phrase "acting white" originated from within the black community!</p>

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Go into any inner city neighborhood, and folks will tell you that government alone can't teach our kids to learn. They know that parents have to parent, that children can't achieve unless we raise their expectations and turn off the television sets and eradicate the slander that says a black youth with a book is acting white.

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Barack Obama said that.</p>

<p>"I've never heard the phrase "acting white" be used in reference to asians or even hispanics before. There is probably a pretty good reason for this: I think the phrase "acting white" originated from within the black community!"</p>

<p>I agree w/ u..... i think black ppl started the phrase....and yet, white ppl continue to use it to refer to black ppl as if it acceptable.</p>

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I agree w/ u..... i think black ppl started the phrase....and yet, white ppl continue to use it to refer to black ppl as if it acceptable.

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Ummm, a white person can't use the phrase "acting white"? I'd love to here the reasoning behind that one.</p>

<p>Obama is 50% white and used the phrase. Is that the cutoff for legitimate usage of the phrase? 50% white?</p>

<p>i said they use it as if it is acceptable (hinting it is not)..... i know ppl at my (pretty much all white) school that say "i am white, but i am blacker than you" or "u are the whitest black person i know" or "i think you are really white, just born into a black person's body" stuff like that.....</p>

<p>it really disgusts me</p>

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i said they use it as if it is acceptable (hinting it is not)..... i know ppl at my (pretty much all white) school that say "i am white, but i am blacker than you" or "u are the whitest black person i know" or "i think you are really white, just born into a black person's body" stuff like that.....</p>

<p>it really disgusts me

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Honestly, I'm sorry this sterotype exists. The reasons the sterotype exists are quite simple though. Media exposure and statistics. The black male is seen as ultra aggressive, thuggish, from the streets, dangerous, etc (rightly or wrongly is a debate for a different time). There is a factual basis for this, but naturally, as with all sterotypes, people don't fit the mold even the majority of the time. The error of human nature.</p>

<p>Payne who are you trying to start a fight with? Everything that anyone says has to be contested by you. If someone said, "Hey good day, Payne" you'll repeat what they said and find some stupid reason as to why what they said was stupid. damn calm down.</p>

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Payne who are you trying to start a fight with?

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No one.</p>

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Everything that anyone says has to be contested by you.

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No.</p>

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If someone said, "Hey good day, Payne" you'll repeat what they said and find some stupid reason as to why what they said was stupid.

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No.</p>

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damn calm down.

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Ok.</p>

<p>Hopefully you can see the humor.</p>

<p>I'm not Black, but most of their problems I think are with people's perceptions. They can't do anything to change that.</p>

<p>i have heard hispanics called white and asians too. numerous people at my highschool would refer to the asians and hispanics as "white-washed," so did it really originate within the black community?</p>

<p>Acting white, from an epithet applied by some blacks to other blacks (also other minorities such as Asians and Hispanics), refers to a perceived betraying of one's race by incorporating the social expectations of mainstream white society, particularly in the United States. This encompasses such things as speaking Standard English, dressing conservatively, living in suburbs, and otherwise attempting to conform to behavior approved of by the dominant culture.</p>

<p>^^ from wikipedia...... but now not only blacks use it.......</p>

<p>It's true that there is a double standard among minorities when it comes to how "White" they can act. Latinos like Alberto Gonzalez, Samuel Alito, and Bill Richardson can get as establishment-like as they want, and nobody accuses them of selling out. If anything, Latinos celebrate them as credits to their people, showing that Latinos can work hard and succeed. The same goes for Asians, Jews, Middle Easterners, women, gays, and any other conceivable minority. </p>

<p>But with Blacks, it's different. Any Black who makes money, goes to a good school, or obtains a powerful position has to continually reaffirm his "roots" (even if they were raised by Whites in Hawaii) in order to keep their Black status. They are unique amongst American minorities in that their path to success does not merge with the path of the first Whites: Anglo-Protestants. Every successive minority, from Germans to Jews to Asians, have had to pay their dues to prove their allegiance to the U.S., and afterwards, their goals and methods were virtually indistinguishable from the dominant White group. But even though Blacks have been on American soil for as long as the first Whites, and far longer than any minority, they stand as an opposing dichotomy to the "White way", and each new minority group that arrived on American shores earned their stripes of assimilation by choosing the "White way" over the "Black way". </p>

<p>Why does such a divisive dichotomy exist? I don't know, but maybe in such a multicultural and young nation like the U.S., identities are hard to forge unless you know what you're not. Blacks were the most convenient "other" in the world, with their slave status and dark skin which would be like a Star of David that could never be removed or hidden.</p>

<p>But it's not as if it's all Whitey's fault. If anything, the ubiquity of the stigma of "acting White" has to be blamed, first and foremost, on the people responsible for propagating it: the Blacks. Sometimes, I get the feeling that Black people have a very self-centered notion in that they think they're the only people who have to adhere to mainstream conformities. For example, regardless of economic status, I've encountered Black kids who insist on adhering to ghetto fashion, most likely as a way to rebel agains the White man's tie and the White man's collared shirt. But even White people have to to society's ideals; it's not as if every White person dresses in Polos and leather shoes. In fact, most don't! But they still do it because if that's what society expects, it's not that hard to just wear a uniform for certain occasions. Whites, Latinos, Asians, Indians, and Arabs don't seem to mind too greatly. But some Blacks have to make mountains out of molehills and insist on propagating incredibly self-harming terms like "acting White" and "selling out". </p>

<p>And I get incredibly exasperated when some Blacks actually embrace their racial stereotypes because their puerile minds like the image of the well-endowed, slam-dunking, and street-smart Black male. Of course, they fail to realize that accepting those shallow compliments also means having to accept the flip-side of smaller brains, criminal tendencies, and uncivilized behavior. But in the short run, especially when trying to pick up chicks at parties, it helps to play up all the stereotypes; the negatives won't really affect them until one of them tries doing something worthwhile, like running a company or running for president.</p>

<p>i'm not sure if this has been posted before- to be honest i didn't read all the replies before mine. however, i DID see one person say that anybody against AA never provides a reason for their opinion.</p>

<p>well. i'm not "against" AA; i am against AA on the basis of race. instead, AA should be based on socio-economic status. you aren't more likely to fail because you're black- you're more like to fail because of the lack of financial resources. </p>

<p>an historically wealthy black family should not get a leg up when its 3/4/5/whatever generation is applying to college- in my opinion, that isn't fair.</p>

<p>okay, that's all. just one girl's opinion :)</p>

<p>^^^^^^^ actually wrong.....</p>

<p>do u know how many scholarships there are for ppl of financial need???? especially from elite schools? </p>

<p>there are enough scholarships for poor ppl.(smart or not so smart)... but not enough for middle-class african americans with academic potential</p>

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jrcho88, data is insulting when it tells a people that because of some numbers they are not likely to achieve success. Because I am(and many others too) proof that Black people do have the ability to achieve I do find it very insulting, and I also have the right to say so. And it's real funny that any time we try to talk about issues in our community, people want to shut it down. Change doesn't happen without discussion.

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<p>Data never said black people are doomed to failure and will never succeed or get anywhere in life.</p>

<p>Data says that more black students, as a percentage, do not graduate from University of Virginia than white students, as a percentage.</p>

<p>You may interpret it to find it insulting, and I'm sure you're a great student, but just because you're doing well in Cornell does not mean the data presented in the website is insulting or false.</p>

<p>It is fact. There are no two ways about it, black students tend not to graduate from UVA (for whatever reason) than white students, that's all, no insults, no nothing.</p>

<p>Also, if the difference in graduation rates seems to be a pattern among different universities, then even a broader point may be made.</p>

<p>If this is true, then attributing AA as one of the causes for it, is an interesting and logical suggestion.</p>

<p>For the black and African American students on this board what have you done to break out of sterotypes? What has been the key to your success? Are you the black kid that succeded from the ghetto or do you enjoy a middle class.upper class upbringing? </p>

<p>As for me, the keys to my sucess has to be my belief in GOD. I truly can not take credit for any of my accomplishments, because HIS favor has proven influential and looking back on my high school career, truly my steps have been ordered. In addition, although my mother had me while still in high school she saw potential in me and always pushed me to want to be the best. Although my father is incarcerated, my mom my aunt and my grandma made me feel like I was somebody and that I WAS not stats nor the "man", the master of my destiny. I live in the ghetto, kick with the boys but refuse to yield into the tempation that somehow academic achievement is not cool. Looking at the stats, I realize that it could've been as another black statistic- but I am an anamoly and love it. I have encountered bias in grading from countless teachers, disparing comments by these teachers, and although at times I have wanted to give up I've refused. I realize that my success is not only indicative of me , but goes a long way in erasing biases regarding my race. From a young age, my mom told me about Dubois' Talented Tenth and that it was my duty to help uplift my people.</p>

<p>Sorry, so long but that gives some insight into why I created this post. IF Dubois' is right in his premise that "the Negro race will be saved by its exceptional men" what has the Talented Tenth done that has made them so successful and how can we repeat this success in our race as a whole? </p>

<p>So yea that's me how about the rest of you all. All are stories together might produce the key to rectifying the problems in Black America.</p>

<p>Mr. Tubbz,
I totally agree with your belief in God being responsible for our achievements. God is powerful and can turn things around no matter what your situation is. Anyway, enough preaching! :) I am part of the black middles class of the Atlanta suburbs. However I attended a school that some would be called "ghetto" by most people. I immigrated here from Nigeria at six and belive that education is the only way to assuage the problems in black society. Promoting attending college instead of striving for a rap contract or NBA draft would help poor blacks rise from poverty. Our problem is that we encourage materialism over education (more than mainstream America does). Look at the Asian community. They make up a small minority in the US (less than blacks and Latinos) yet they grossly overrepresented in universities. Most of them are first generation immigrants who don't know English Why are they so succesful? Because their Confucian culture sees ecucation as the way to success (goes back to civil service exams started in Han dynasty; sorry for the history lesson, but I am a history geek!). Of course this is a cultural difference, and I am not saying that we all become Asian but we should follow their lead and promote education.</p>

<p>Bump- this is a good discussion</p>

<p>I come from a working-class family and live in the inner-city.</p>

<p>When I was a little boy I had the pleasure of meeting Ben Carson. Hearing his story inspired me. From that point forth, I resolved to try my best to be successful like him.</p>

<p>Mr. Tubz- that "Talented Tenth" was a great reference. I have not read the whole thing, but I think it reflects why I think it's okay for even the middle class minorities to benefit from affirmative action.</p>

<p><a href="http://teachingamericanhistory.org/library/index.asp?document=174%5B/url%5D"&gt;http://teachingamericanhistory.org/library/index.asp?document=174&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p>

<p>The last paragraph</p>

<p>Men of America, the problem is plain before you. Here is a race transplanted through the criminal foolishness of your fathers. Whether you like it or not the millions are here, and here they will remain. If you do not lift them up, they will pull you down. Education and work are the levers to uplift a people. Work alone will not do it unless inspired by the right ideals and guided by intelligence. Education must not simply teach work — it must teach Life. The Talented Tenth of the Negro race must be made leaders of thought and missionaries of culture among their people. No others can do this work and Negro colleges must train men for it. The Negro race, like all other races, is going to be saved by its exceptional men.</p>