<p>denied from NYU, and to be completely honest I am veryy dissapointed so I really hope Pace does whatever it takes to convince me into their Acting Program. I mean, it feels like anyone can get accepted to Pace (75%) of everyone that applies, no offence to ‘hilary’-- ive seen a couple of threads where you have offered plenty info on Pace and other people who wanna go there. I just wish I’d knew more about the intership opportunities, and how does it all differ from NYU? – because NYU is very competitive its true; pace seems like a good school im just allllll -_- cus NYU broke my heart crazyy hard today… sigghs.</p>
<p>I just wanna make sure I’m going to a goood school-- and not just go there to go there</p>
<p>Katecisco, I’m very sorry to hear about your disappointment. I know it seems like you won’t get over it or see the good in any other program, but I do believe things happen for a reason. Sometimes it’s really hard to understand and maybe you won’t see it right away. Just give it time. Grieve and then move past it. My d went through the same thing last year, except she had NO artistic acceptances out of the 6 she auditioned for. ( NYU was a heartbreaker for her too, as she felt like she had a magical audition. But she came back this year more focused and has had a better turnout.)</p>
<p>You, however, DO have a good program to go to, at least in my opinion. :-)</p>
<p>I’m not sure where you’re getting your stats, but I don’t think they are quite accurate. True, Pace is not as academically discerning as NYU, but certainly it is VERY competitive artistically! They do NOT accept 75% of students that audition. there would be 500 people in the theatre program! I’m sure Hilary can and will help you understand your accomplishment in getting into the Pace Acting BFA and it is an accomplishment! ( my d wishes she had! )</p>
<p>If rigorous academics are your concern then maybe the staff and some current students can direct you in that regard. I would email or PM Hilary directly, so she can be aware of your concerns and start to help you.</p>
<p>In the meantime, I wish you clarity in your decision and the best of luck in whatever you decide to do.</p>
<p>Most of all, I pray your heart finds it’s smile again very soon. :-)</p>
<p>Katecisco, I’m very sorry for your disappointment. I’ll let others more familiar with the program than I am share their insight, but a) I think your numbers are WAY off as far as how competitive admittance into the theater program is and b) we were quite impressed with the energy and commitment level at the school.</p>
<p>My son applied (and was accepted) for MT and not acting, but we found the atmosphere at Pace quite exciting, and I have no doubt you would receive fine training there. The school seems quite hooked into the New York theater scene, and I believe you will get out of it what you put into it…same as just about any other venture in life.</p>
<p>I hope you have an attitude adjustment soon. The dark cloud will get oppressive real fast.</p>
<p>katecisco, I understand your disappointment. I have a dear friend whose D also applied to NYU ED, but received a rejection. She then applied to MMC and Pace, and received an acceptance at Pace. </p>
<p>Even though her D was quite upset at first because she did not get into her ‘dream school’ she is now really excited at the prospect of attending Pace, because she will still get to go to school in NYC, have the opportunity to work with a very nurturing and well connected faculty, and she now even feels that things were meant to work out this way.</p>
<p>Yes, the academic bar to get into Pace is indeed much lower than NYU, but for MT and Acting Pace is beginning to get quite competitive as well. May be Hilary can chime in and provide some actual stats, but you should be proud to have this acceptance in hand. </p>
<p>When my D and I visited Pace we were pleasantly surprised at many different aspects of Pace’s program, and have since met several people whose kids absolutely love it there!</p>
<p>If academics are an issue, Pace has an Honors College in which classes are at a more difficult level. There is also a nice scholarship that comes along with acceptance into it.</p>
<p>SarasMom, when I read that your daughter was also dissapointed in not being accepted to NYU (which to me is like a serious slap in the face, especially since I also thought I had a great audition) I thought to myself that maybe I’m being selfish because she didnt get accepted to anything artistically at first and I did . This Sunday at Pace Preview day I’ll see what Pace has to offer, BUT next year … Julliard and NYU better watch out for me =[ because I’ll give them no choice but to accept me!</p>
<p>katecisco, it’s soooo hard to figure out, impossible in fact, what’s going through their heads and hearts when they put together a class. You can make yourself crazy trying to make sense of it. As Sooz and others have posted many times, there are so many uncontrollable variables in this process, each different for every school, that the only thing you CAN do is your best. The rest is out of our hands so why be angry? </p>
<p>You’re not being selfish… you’re being human and it’s only natural to react when you have a big disappointment. Just the fact that you’re determined to try again is evidence you’ve already turned a corner! That’s the spirit! Also, if you do go to Pace, you might find that you absolutely love it! You never know till you try. :-)</p>
<p>As several other posters have already said, disappointment is natural and I am incredibly sympathetic to your feelings. However, this kind of thing obviously happens all of the time and for various reasons; as noted above, trying to figure out what happened, what went wrong, what they are looking for, etc is almost impossible. As someone who not only runs an audition process, but has sat in on several casting rooms for departmental shows as well cast my own, I can tell you that there are sooooooooooooooo many factors that you can even imagine. Of course there are things that you can control and then there are some things that are arbitrary and uncontrollable and completely unthinkable. These people making these decisions are just that - people! I do encourage you to try again as you have already seemed to have decided to do but dont harp on what “we” are thinking and just do what you do best. </p>
<p>Now on to Pace. I feel like maybe your 75% number as coming from an academic standpoint… yes? If so, I cant give you an exact number as I am not privy to the admission departments numbers but yes, it is no secret that Pace has a lower academic standard strictly in terms of admission. But that has no reflection on the standard of applicant we have in our theater program - we have an incredible amount of students in the Honors Program (including myself) and we even have students here who turned down Ivy League educations to come study here in our department. I understand the want for an academically challenging school but just because an admission rate is higher doesnt mean you will be challenged less. If you want to take hard classes here and honors classes, etc, then you sure can! </p>
<p>If you were actually referring to the MT number when saying 75% - thats WAY off. Between the three programs, BFA - acting, BFA - musical theater, and BA we see between 750 - 900 applicants and look to yield a TOTAL class size of 100 (25-30 BFA MTs, 25-30 MFA Acting, the rest BA). I guess that roughly works out to about 10-15%. </p>
<p>To address your internship question: Pace, as a university, does not offer internships, they do however offer credit if you should come across one. We are fortunate to have a well connected staff as well as being in NYC and so these outside opportunities arise quite often. We have had several students intern at casting agencies, including Telsey and Co. as well as in some producing offices etc. Basically if you want to have an internship, we will help you get one and most likely give you credit for it. </p>
<p>To address the NYU difference question: to be honest, I have no idea how they run their programs other than that they have separate studios to which students are assigned and that is the way they will study. Pace doesn’t specify in a specific type of acting as some of these studios do but rather, we introduce our students to several techniques over the course of their training, allowing them to experience different styles and finding the one that they choose to pursue. If you have any specific questions about PACE and the way we run our program I can probably give you a better amount of information. Please feel free to ask me any questions about the program or even the school as I will do my best to give you the answers. </p>
<p>And a PS for you :): I graduating in the Top 10% of my class of over 450 students. I was the Vice President of the National Honors Society. I won the top scholarship awarded by the faculty at my High School, etc. I already had years of experience in my field at the time (stage management). AND to top it off - I was rejected by NYU :). Though I was initially disappointed, as you are, I could not be more grateful for that tiny thin envelope because then I wouldnt have gone to Pace. I have had an incredible experience here and couldnt imagine myself at any other program.</p>
<p>Fabulous post Hilary. :)</p>
<p>I feel sorry for the girl who was rejected from NYU but I certainly wouldn’t look at Pace the way she is. My son has wanted to go to NYU since elementary school when he started performing in MT. Whenever anyone mentioned if he would pursue MT in college he always said he would love to at NYU. When we went to visit NYU and Pace last year, he decided not to even apply to NYU. Pace was where he wanted to be! It has so much to offer while allowing (even encouraging) you to audition for shows happening in NYC. Which NYU does not allow. It seems to have such a MT family which is one thing my son loves about being in shows. We did not get the feel of such cameraderie at NYU. The dance audition was outstanding and he loved the dance teacher. The audition was so well run, the students were so nice and helpful, etc., There are many reasons that went into my son’s decision to make Pace his #1. Don’t get me wrong, NYU is a wonderful school. But when we really started looking into all aspects and comparing the two schools, Pace came out on top!</p>
<p>To the OP…while it is natural to be disappointed, I don’t believe all your success or happiness can ride on one school (I guess that may have been NYU for you) at all. I hope you can embrace Pace. If I were you, I would not enter Pace with a preconceived notion of transferring. I would give it a good shot and you may be pleasantly surprised at how great it will be. I know kids who are there who are extremely talented and are also excellent academic students (which garnered them great scholarships). </p>
<p>Hilary, you wrote:
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<p>I do not think the math is quite right there unless Pace accepts the EXACT number of students they plan to take in the class and I don’t think they do, do they? I see many draw these same conclusions about other schools. They hear how many applied and then the size of the freshmen class. They use that, as you have, to state the acceptance rate and level of selectivity. At most programs, the number accepted is LARGER than the size of the freshmen class because not all who are accepted, will matriculate as many are holding several acceptances. Just a few programs, that are quite small or that have notariously high percentages of yield accept the exact number (such as CMU, which in addition to being small, has a high yield percentage and it would be risky to accept extras given their high yield, as well as small size). So, I think if one is going to quote acceptance rates, they need to do so accurately and not use number who auditioned and number of slots in the class but rather number who auditioned and number accepted.</p>
<p>I realize that this is the Pace thread, but I do want to take a quick moment to rectify patti126’s comment that NYU does not allow you to audition for shows happening in NYC, as this is actually not true. </p>
<p>There is however a restriction on how many classes you are “allowed to miss” without it affecting your grades, and this is not all that unusual. My D has been able to keep her grades up, has auditioned outside of Tisch, landed a great job for the summer as a result of that, and has in fact had some great other opportunities, all during her freshman year. Yes, she has a very heavy load, both academically, and studio work, but it is possible :D.</p>
<p>Finally, about the feel of lack of camaraderie at NYU, I think this is very personal, because my D will tell you that she has made a great group of friends both in and outside her studio.</p>
<p>For that matter, some kids at NYU who have auditioned for shows outside of NYU (which is allowed) have left, either temporarily, or permanently…and have been cast on Broadway and National Tours while being a student at NYU/Tisch. I know a number who have done exactly this. My own child did not choose to audition while a student at NYU but you can if you want to. There is a restriction as to how many studio classes you may miss per semester, however, for any reason.</p>
<p>katecisco- even though you may be disappointed, things happen for a reason, and even if you are planning to try to transfer after going to Pace, make sure you don’t go in there with the attitude that you are just there to make the time go by and just want to get out to go to NYU or Juilliard like you wrote. Give it a chance and you may just love it, but if you go in there with a miserable attitude and keep voicing that you don’t want to be there and you are just going to transfer, not only will professors start to write you off but so will students in your program. Give it a chance and still plan to apply and audition again for those programs, but stay level headed, you may end up realizing that this was where you were supposed to be!</p>
<p>Soozie - I made that percentage because we actually try to avoid over-accepting as one year we accpted 36 or something like that trying to yield a class of 20 and about 34 of those 36 came. So to avoid that, we do accept closer to our yield as opposed to accepting a much larger number. We start dialogues with these students so as to get a feel for where they are headed and if they tell us they do not want to come to Pace, we will then send out letters to our 2nd tier. I guess all in all it ends up being closer to 20% but that really depends on the year and how many of our first choices decide to come. I understand that many schools send out what like 75 letters or something hoping to yield 25-30. But as far as Pace goes, we definitely avoid sending a mass acceptance as we do not have the space for that many students should they all accept.</p>
<p>Whether you do it in stages or not (no pun intended), you do accept more than you yield spots in the class. </p>
<p>Thus, while you can say how many auditioned and how many spots there are in the class, the acceptance rate to all who received an offer is not computed by those two numbers at all. I know many accepted to Pace who are not attending each year. So, how many are accepted, even if in waves, is how you would compute an acceptance rate, and not how many spots are in the freshmen class. That is how ANY school computes accpetance rate. It is misleading otherwise. You may not accept 75, that’s true, but more have been offered a spot by the end of the admissions cycle than spots available.</p>
<p>And…IF the acceptance rate turns out to be 20% and I truly do not know as you have not provided the total number of offers that were sent out during an entire admissions cycle…20% is double than 10%.</p>
<p>20 percent of how many students that apply? … cus nyu received over 37,000 applicants this year and accepted 28% of those. Pace I’m pretty sure accepts wayy more students than what NYU ever will</p>
<p>I’m not sure why the percentage really matters…it’s just a number. I know you’re really upset, but the fact of the matter is that you’re not going to NYU so comparisons between the two should stop now because NYU is not going to happen for you next year. Pace’s theatre program is GREAT and selective. Academic acceptance stats include artistic stats, but they are only a small part of it. Many students who have great grades have been denied from Pace due to their artistic expectations. You should be happy you have an acceptance to such a great theatre school.</p>
<p>katecisco…you are confusing statistics. NYU as an entire university accepts approximately 25% of applicants. Pace University as an entire university accepts approximately 75% of applicants. </p>
<p>HOWEVER…
This discussion was ONLY discussing the acceptance rates into the THEATER programs which at both schools is lower than to the university as a whole. </p>
<p>Also, “how many they accept” is irrelevant…it is about acceptance RATE. You can’t compare apples to oranges with how many are accepted when schools are different sizes. It is about PERCENT accepted. </p>
<p>Also, you can’t compare acceptance rates to the university overall with to the theater programs. Different acceptance rates!</p>
<p>As far as the theater programs go…you can’t entirely compare rate of acceptance to those either between two schools. Both schools may accept 20% into their BFA programs (that is Tisch overall, not MT!! which is more like 6%) but the applicant pool to Pace differs from the pool applying to NYU OVERALL. There are definitely overlapping applicants…such as yourself and many others. But I know lots and lots of kids who applied to Tisch or attend who never applied to Pace. </p>
<p>None of this should matter, however, as it is time to let go what you don’t have and embrace the wonderful school you DO have. I’d like to assume that you liked Pace enough to attend or you would not have bothered to apply. Or you should not have.</p>