I chose Michigan over_______

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And although Wharton is more prestigious than Ross, it is only marginaly so. As far as the business world is concerned, among undergraduate Business schools, Wharton is #1 and Ross is anywhere between #2 and #4.

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<p>I wasn't talking from a rankings perspective, but rather from a practical perspective. Although Ross, Haas, and Sloan are close to Wharton in rankings, the true difference in quality between those schools is actually very different. Wharton is the best business school - by far. If we're talking about us versus MIT's Sloan, than yes, you're right. Sloan is only marginally better, if even that.</p>

<p>Wharton is significantly better than Ross. In the US News Peer Assessment score for top business schools, Wharton scores a 4.8 and Michigan is a 4.5. That's about the same difference between HYPSM and Michigan for the general college. In Business Week, Wharton scores a 100, while Michigan scores an 87.98.</p>

<p>A2Wolves, a 0.3 gap in peer score is not that much. HYPS have a peer assessment score of 4.9 and Cal has a peer assemsnet score of 4.7. Brown and Dartmouth have a peer assessment score of 4.4. Do you think there is a significant difference between those schools? </p>

<p>Even in terms of placement, Ross places roughly the same percentage of its students into top 10 IBanks and top 5 Management Consulting firms. </p>

<p>At any rate, I definitely agree that Wharton is better than Ross, but the difference is not that pronounced. I personally would chose Ross over Wharton or any Ivy except perhaps Princeton. I just don't like the Ivy vibe.</p>

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Ross places roughly the same percentage of its students into top 10 IBanks and top 5 Management Consulting firms.

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<p>Last I checked, the proportion was heavily in favor of Wharton, especially for top IB and M/B/B. May I ask where you got this 'same percentage' information from?</p>

<p>Anyway, here are some eye-openers to those who think that Ross is somehow only 'a little worse' than Wharton. Keep in mind that Wharton has around 570 students per class, while Ross has around 360. They are also statistics for internships. If we're talking full time positions, Wharton would be even more favorable.</p>

<p>...........................Wharton..........Ross
Blackstone:................4.................0
UBS:........................11.................6
JP Morgan:................10.................2
Goldman Sachs:..........18................8
Morgan Stanley:.........12................3
Lehman Brothers:........11................6
Merrill Lynch:..............6.................5
Citigroup:..................15...............11
Bank of America:..........7................6
Ernst & Young:............4................13
etc., etc.</p>

<p>Anyway, these statistics should tell you something. We lose in all areas except accounting. Arguably, the bulk of the wealthy individuals come from IB and consulting firms so it is natural that most Wharton students do not aim for that industry.</p>

<p>More importantly, however, is the fact that the statistics I posted for Wharton comes from ONLY ONE CLASS YEAR while the statistics I posted for Ross comes from THE ENTIRE SCHOOL. That's right, one class year can out compete an entire school. That's what it means to be the preeminent business school in the world. (Yes, I realize adding sophomores doesn't change much since 2nd year internships are still hard to find, but please bear with these statistics.)</p>

<p>Also notice that Blackstone, a leading private equity firm, only recruits from Wharton and not Ross. Private equity pays A LOT! One must be insanely intelligent and ambitious to land a a job in PE while only in college. Additionally, many of the Wharton students land their jobs in key financial locations, especially NYC. Ross tend to send kids to Chicago and other branches of companies.</p>

<p>On a final note, Wharton includes advanced join degree programs such as Huntsman and J. Fischer that sets itself apart from the competition. Simply put, Wharton is much more mature than Ross and her equivalents. Almost everything we have, Wharton also have them. The same cannot be said the other way around. Now that is distinction.</p>

<p>What is your source for the employment info for ross? I am seeing different things on the Ross employment site.</p>

<p>They're on the employment site. Remember those are for the internships (class of 2007). He didn't sort them by number of hires. He just chose a select group of firms. That's why they look different. If you're wondering where JPMorgan's number came from, it's on the PDF version. 2 interns weren't enough to make it to the online version of the top hiring companies for BBA interns.</p>

<p>By the way, bahamutscale, the Ross stats are for one class year also. The current stats are for the Class of 2007, which graduated this year. The FT hires are for the Class of 2006. I think the OCD updates this every September.</p>

<p>How many times have we had this discussion?</p>

<p>...b-school folk...</p>

<p><em>rolls eyes</em></p>

<p>ANYWAYS, I chose UM over D-mouth, Cornell, WUSTL, and Johns Hopkins. Good call, though I certainly didn't see it that way at the time.</p>

<p>KB</p>

<p>If you put those stats in a ratio of number of people hired to total number of people you'll find Ross outdoing Wharton in Merill Lynch , Citigroup , Ernst and Young and Bank Of America. And besides this is only a very primary list of 10 firms.
Add to that what redhare said about the Ross stats which are also for a class year , which totally negates bahatsmule's bold print. </p>

<p>Without doubt , right now Wharton is better than Ross, but with a newer building , better facilites and ofcourse the Class of '11 on its way who knows:)</p>

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the Ross stats are for one class year also.

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<p>Could you cite this? The information on the 2007 class is farther down in another section of the pdf. It's not with the compiled list of top hiring companies.</p>

<p>Also, these are not 'select groups', but the common hired companies for both schools. Naturally, they would be included.</p>

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And besides this is only a very primary list of 10 firms.

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<p>How so? These companies recruit a lot from both schools.</p>

<p>First of all, you can assume the data is consistent throughout the entire profile. They collect this information every year from the graduating class of that year and the juniors who will graduate the following year. They wouldn't talk about the "BBA Graduates-Class of 2006" and "BBA Interns-Class of 2007" in one part of the PDF and then mix up the classes for another part. So every "BBA Intern" stat is one class and every "BBA Graduate" stat is another class. They refer to their respective classes. Even if they combined them so that it was the entire school and not class, the juniors would still be the only ones mentioned for these internships. Freshman and sophomores aren't included in the annual survey, and seniors don't look for internships. That leaves you with only one class for interns: the juniors. And since only the graduating class goes for a FT job, that leaves you with one class for FT hires (obviously): the seniors. So it eventually becomes a class to class comparison any way you look at it. The only thing you stated above is "Wharton juniors get better internships then Ross juniors." There is nothing to officially cite. You just have to use common sense.</p>

<p>On the whole, I agree with you that Wharton is superior to Ross (by far), but you just have to think about the stats you're presenting.</p>

<p>"Last I checked, the proportion was heavily in favor of Wharton, especially for top IB and M/B/B. May I ask where you got this 'same percentage' information from?"</p>

<p>Bahamutscale, here are the full-time placement stats from last year's classs (Wharton 620, Ross 350):</p>

<p>Citigroup
Ross 7, Wharton 38</p>

<p>Credit Suisse
Ross 14, Wharton 10</p>

<p>DeutscheBank
Ross 7, Wharton 17</p>

<p>Goldman Sachs
Ross 9, Wharton 27</p>

<p>JP Morgan
Ross 12, Wharton 18</p>

<p>Lazard
Ross 1, Wharton 2</p>

<p>Lehman Brothers
Ross 4, Wharton 13</p>

<p>Merrill Lynch
Ross 3, Wharton 11</p>

<p>Morgan Stanley
Ross 5, Wharton 19</p>

<p>UBS
Ross 10, Wharton 11</p>

<p>Bain Consulting
Ross 1, Wharton 6</p>

<p>BCG
Ross 1, Wharton 8</p>

<p>Booz Allen
Ross 1, Wharton 2</p>

<p>McKinsey
Ross 5, Wharton 19</p>

<p>Total:
Ross 80/350 (23%), Wharton 201/620 (32%)</p>

<p>Like I said, Wharton is the best, but the gap is not as great as you suggest.</p>

<p><a href="http://www.vpul.upenn.edu/careerservices/wharton/surveys/Wharton2006Report.pdf%5B/url%5D"&gt;http://www.vpul.upenn.edu/careerservices/wharton/surveys/Wharton2006Report.pdf&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p>

<p><a href="http://www.bus.umich.edu/EmploymentProfile/TopHiringCompanies.htm%5B/url%5D"&gt;http://www.bus.umich.edu/EmploymentProfile/TopHiringCompanies.htm&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p>

<p>"More importantly, however, is the fact that the statistics I posted for Wharton comes from ONLY ONE CLASS YEAR while the statistics I posted for Ross comes from THE ENTIRE SCHOOL."</p>

<p>Michigan only had two classes in 2005-2006 (Juniors and Seniors). So the intern class at Ross was for just one class anyway.</p>

<p>"Additionally, many of the Wharton students land their jobs in key financial locations, especially NYC. Ross tend to send kids to Chicago and other branches of companies."</p>

<p>42% of Ross graduates work in the Northeast, most of them on Wall Street, so I suggest you look into the facts before making incorrect statements.</p>

<p><a href="http://www.bus.umich.edu/EmploymentProfile/ByGeographicRegion.htm%5B/url%5D"&gt;http://www.bus.umich.edu/EmploymentProfile/ByGeographicRegion.htm&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p>

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Freshman and sophomores aren't included in the annual survey

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<p>I concede that I misinterpreted the Ross employment profile. Thanks for the correction.</p>

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On the whole, I agree with you that Wharton is superior to Ross (by far)

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<p>Again, my stats were, as you stated, a little distorted in supporting my conclusion. I typed and compiled everything from both sites quickly for a message board reply so bear with me. I'm not trying to be anal about the details.</p>

<p>However, the point I was carrying out was that Wharton is a better school by a wide margin from her competitions. Some prospectives seem to really get this notion that Ross is almost equal to Wharton. My conclusion remains resolute: Wharton is by a long distance the premier business institution. Whether my supporting evidences were a little off does not change that fact.</p>

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Like I said, Wharton is the best, but the gap is not as great as you suggest.

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<p>Those statistics show a large gap. Perhaps, to you, it is minimal. 32% vs. 23% in favor of Wharton.</p>

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42% of Ross graduates work in the Northeast, most of them on Wall Street, so I suggest you look into the facts before making incorrect statements.

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<p>Wharton is higher in this area as well. 43% of the Wharton grads go to NY alone. Add the other Northeastern states and the difference is even larger. A collation check would verify this. I'm not going to rapidly pull stats out again, but take it into consideration when you have the time.</p>

<p>Again, like I said, Wharton is better than Ross in every area, whether by a small or large margin. This is what makes a business school much better than its competition. I was only correcting other people on what they saw as 'small differences', which is doing Wharton and its history injustice. They are inarguably better. Period.</p>

<p>The comparison is much different than Harvard and Princeton. I see you continuously noting that Ross is only a little worse than Wharton around these forums. Granted, my explanation of the stats were not completely perfect (you don't expect me to spend the time researching the annals of both schools), but the general jest shows that Wharton is much better. As an admin, I would understand you having a little bias towards our school, but saying we're only minutely behind Wharton is near propaganda to the future applicants.</p>

<p>Apart from the percentages that you posted, which show a near 10% difference in full-time hiring, also note the industries in which the hiring take place. Wharton is ahead, by far, in the IB and consulting industries. These 2 areas are the hot spots of business, providing their employees with higher compensations than other fields like accounting. Ross competes with Wharton in the 2 Swiss firms and JPM, but Wharton wins, by far, in McKinsey, Bain, and every other company on that list.</p>

<p>Also, you still did not address the other areas of my original post, including the fact that Wharton offers many other programs within the business program, such as joint degree, which Ross does not offer. They also graduate students to private equity and other highly competitive industries that Ross graduates can barely dream of entering. These thing are what make Wharton so unique and distinctive. I don't understand how you can see these aspects as only 'small' differences between these 2 schools. If we were comparing Sloan and Ross, I would agree with you. However, this is Wharton and Ross.</p>

<p>maybe we should start a new ross vs wharton thread lol...</p>

<p>Let's start a B-school subforum so I never have to read this crap again.</p>

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Let's start a B-school subforum so I never have to read this crap again.

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<p>Let's not. If you don't find the topic interesting, don't read it. The great thing about the internet is that you can scroll with your mouse. No need to read everything you find boring.</p>

<p>The topic is places you turned down to come to Michigan, not business school job placement statistics. Now QFT.</p>

<p>On topic.</p>

<p>MIT and Caltech.</p>

<p>ooh. that's an interesting choice. can't blame you though. someone once told me that "getting an education from MIT is like taking a drink from a firehose." kinda puts it all in perspective, huh?</p>

<p>VC, I knew a lot of students at Michigan who turned down MIT (and other members of the "Big 5" to attend Michigan. It is not uncommon.</p>

<p>But to answer the OP's question, I chose Michigan over Brown, Cal, Chicago, Columbia, Cornell, Duke, Georgetown, LSE (in the UK), McGill (in Montreal), Northwestern and Penn.</p>