<p>Relative to that of the SAT, GPA is less important to admission decision at Berkeley right? I am a international applicant. My GPA is abysmal (~3.5), but I have excellent SAT scores (2310).</p>
<p>^^^^bump^^^^</p>
<p>Not sure about the international part but generally speaking UCB and UCLA admits seem to have very high GPAs and not as high SATs.</p>
<p>Lets just say that GPA has a lot more weight than the SAT. The regents have already discontinued the SAT Subject so it's only a matter of time before the same fate happens to the SAT reasoning.</p>
<p>^ I highly doubt they will drop the Reasoning Test. The SAT II's may be seen as superfluous, but the SAT is a logic test, and you need thinking skills to survive at college, let alone excel.</p>
<p>OP: From everything I've heard, GPA > SAT's. Sorry.</p>
<p>hmmm. I was told that large public universities just sort applicant by their SAT scores and accept everyone above a certain mark</p>
<p>Not for Berkeley, they use a "holistic review process".</p>
<p>strange..... I specifically told that Berkeley, UCLA, and U Michigan's Ann Arbor did this....</p>
<p>hehe299792458: Unfortunately, Cal emphasizes more on the GPA. However, they do enter your SAT score to create a UC score. Your low GPA will definitely hurt you, a lot. Cal's average unweighted GPA is 3.83 or something.</p>
<p>I agree with the above comment that everything matters, but generally, Cal emphasizes GPA more than SAT, not the other way around.</p>
<p>Locke19, calbear2012, C'BadDad are correct. And since you are applying as an international, both GPA and SAT matter.</p>
<p>i had a crappy gpa... 3.96 uc gpa. 3.6 nonweighted</p>
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Not sure about the international part but generally speaking UCB and UCLA admits seem to have very high GPAs and not as high SATs.
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agreed .</p>
<p>FWIW I didn't have a GPA?</p>
<p>i guess you can be admitted by SAT alone....</p>
<p>I think GPA might even be literally twice as important in the numerical scale they factor things into. However, being an international applicant, this may very well change things for you...maybe they drop all but test scores for international applicants to make you conform to a standard...who the heck knows!!!</p>
<p>All the best though.</p>
<p>"The SAT II's may be seen as superfluous, but the SAT is a logic test, and you need thinking skills to survive at college, let alone excel."</p>
<p>Potentially though, there are other measures of logic which are much better, but yeah I do get the feeling the SAT will stick around somehow. It'd be a HUGE move to let it go. While splitting hairs on the SAT is a bad idea, it's true that <em>ON AVERAGE</em> SAT scores correlate with something on the lines of logical ability. Again, once you start to split hairs, you make very invalid conclusions. And, it's of course a correlation, not a pure if, then result we're talking about! A number of factors could cause correlation.</p>
<p>For the record, I had a 2300+ SAT, with my LOWEST of the 3 scores in the mathematics section...;)</p>
<p>The SAT should be, in my opinion, to undergrad admissions as the math subject GRE is to math Ph.D. admissions. Something to test for fishiness, i.e. you gotta score decently well, and a very high score can be a little bump, but other factors like depth of academic involvement + other talents should dictate.</p>
<p>My son was admitted to Berkeley last year and his SAT was much "higher" than his GPA, which fell below the admitted average, albeit not a low as a 3.5. As was said above, admissions are holistic, so they take EVERYTHING into consideration. While it may be true that most applicants are judged more by their GPA, it may be that YOU will be judged more by your SAT. For every rule, there is an exception. Luckily for the OP, the UC's need money so OOS and internationals may have an easier road in than they had previously.</p>