<p>In fairness, 381 is pretty much as hard as EECS gets.</p>
<p>Pretty damn hardcore for an IOE major to take that.</p>
<p>Also, isn’t eecs 370 a prereq for 381?</p>
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<p>I think it was just recently added (like a year ago I think) because they wanted to make it harder for 2nd semester sophomores and first semester juniors to sign up for 381. It used to be that you had to take a test to get into the class but they removed it in favor of adding another prerequisite and so more people could take the class. The two subjects aren’t really related.</p>
<p>Its OK guys, Bearcats is here. His knowledge of everything ever will set us straight </p>
<p>Please Bearcats, go on, tell me how you graduated from Michigan with every degree, had top financial firms fighting for you sr year and are now one of the most powerful people on the planet, but still post on CC.</p>
<p>I agree with bearcats that EECS 281 and EECS 381 are as hard as any course can get and possibly one of the most difficult courses in the College of Engineering.</p>
<p>Although I do not have too much experience in ME classes, I personally found ME 211 to be very time consuming and some of the concepts to be quite difficult (definitely not insane though). Maybe it was just my professor (alan wineman) who wasn’t that good so a lot of the class had to self-teach themselves.</p>
<p>That was also kind of why I go deterred from taking any more ME classes to fulfill my engineering elective requirements. I instead took NERS 211 which was a complete joke and possibly the easiest A I have ever gotten.</p>
<p>Anyway, relating to the OP original question, here are some of the IOE grad courses I would strongly recommend that you take:</p>
<p>Fall Semester:
IOE 515 (Stochastic Processes)
IOE 541 (Inventory Analysis & Control)
IOE 565 (Time Series Analysis)</p>
<p>Winter Semester:
IOE 522 (Theories of Administration)
IOE 568 (Statistical Learning & Applications in Quality Engineering)</p>
<p>I would also strongly recommend that you take IOE 441, IOE 425, IOE 421, IOE 461 and IOE 466 as you IOE elective classes/graduate electives.</p>
<p>Please let me know if you have any questions, I have not taken any graduate classes but I have taken IOE 460, IOE 425, IOE 441, IOE 453 and IOE 461 as my IOE electives so I can give you some input on how these classes were.</p>
<p>Good luck!</p>
<p>“Its OK guys, Bearcats is here. His knowledge of everything ever will set us straight”</p>
<p>Yup, resorting to an attempt to be sarcastic. That’s how people act when they don’t have a counterpoint to make.</p>
<p>“Please Bearcats, go on, tell me how you graduated from Michigan with every degree, had top financial firms fighting for you sr year and are now one of the most powerful people on the planet, but still post on CC.”</p>
<p>I didn’t graduate from Michigan with every degree unfortunately, but I did take a lot of non-major courses with the flexibility of ioe tech electives and having come in with around 50 credits (started paying junior tuition my freshman second semester). Some of these courses are in EECS, which I find to be quite time consuming and somewhat challenging, and a lot of which in ME, which I find to be very easy, and not significantly harder to ace than the IOE courses I have taken (which are also extremely easy). I apologize if that offends you. My credits coming in and course selections are well documented in the CC archives over the years if you are trying to insinuate that I made it up with your “every major” comment. Having taken sufficient courses in both departments and having done very well in both, I am pretty sure I am more qualified to make the comparison than you or your friends, unless they have taken 7 IOE classes ranging from 200-500 level. I sincerely apologize that my findings do not jive well with what your ego wants to make you believe. </p>
<p>Lastly, I did get quite a few offers from hedge funds, asset managers, bulge brackets and Bain, but I wouldn’t say they were aggressively fighting for me, which is unfortunate because I would like to see a catfight between Ray Dalio and Jamie Dimon. I am far from the most powerful person on the planet, but I do have the opportunity to sit in on meetings with them regularly, and ask my occasional questions (CEOs from public companies go on investor relations roadshows and visit offices of top funds to talk about their strategy and outlook to attract investors). Oh and I DO still post on CC. </p>
<p>Just setting the record straight.</p>
<p>“Bearcats, what did you think of 565? Did you take 511, 512, 515, 518, or 519 by any chance? If so, which did you like the most?”</p>
<p>515 and 565 in my opinion are the most useful courses with the broadest application. </p>
<p>I use concepts in both regularly, even in quant finance. For example, 515 concepts are great for pricing, because stochastic process is a great assumption for asset price movements. 565 is useful in building predictive models for future asset prices to identify asset allocation opportunities. </p>
<p>What I said is probably boring and useless to you, but I am just trying to illustrate how broadly these concepts can apply, which makes them good skill sets to have regardless of career goals. I strongly recommend both classes.</p>
<p>Caution though, 515 and to a certain degree 565 are quite competitive because of the number of financial engineering students in there (obviously compensated with your typical generous graduate course grading scheme). 515 I believe is required for FE and a lot of FE also pick up 565 as elective. I would say the financial engineering cohort is probably one of the smartest/most qualified in all of Michigan.</p>
<p>how do you get enrolled in grad level classes?</p>
<p>vladenschlutte, I know you took some math at WCC</p>
<p>can you list the math and IOE classes you’ve taken? Thanks.</p>
<p>take any Ross classes, ever? </p>
<p>Any research/internship experience? Are you going to grad school right after undergrad? You basically already have a masters lol given the number of grad classes you’ve taken.</p>
<p>could you tell me more, thanks.</p>
<p>In bearcats case he graduated a while ago.</p>
<p>In my case, I was thinking of going to grad school before, but I’m not sure anymore. As for masters, you are only allowed to transfer up 15 credits total. So it doesn’t matter how much extra you take in undergrad, you can only get half way. </p>
<p>I’m doing an internship now, but in Software Development rather than anything IOE related. I worked with a professor the last two winter terms, the last fall term, and the last summer on a couple research projects. </p>
<p>Math
423
451
561 (which is IOE 510)</p>
<p>IOE
All the main ones except 474
481
416 (Okay)
419 (Recommended)
441 (Not Recommended)
510
518</p>
<p>CSE (incase you care)
All the main ones
270
475
484
492</p>
<p>Yeah I think you just sign up and take grad level classes, nothing fancy. To get my manufacturing systems concentration I had to take a class from a certain list. After classes filled up my only option was ME 527 (I think that was the number). I just signed up in the winter and that was that.</p>
<p>I’m taking IOE 425 for that concentration in the fall too, and I am pretty sure Mr Vladenshlutte said its a joke, so that will be nice. </p>
<p>If you need an advanced math Math 417 isn’t bad. That’s the Linear Algebra/Matrix Algebra. Its a pretty easy course but can vary greatly by professor.</p>
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<p>Nubs has actually taken it so you might ask him. But he told me it was a terrible worthless class and tried to convince me not to take it.</p>
<p>But yeah, if you’re taking it 2nd half I’ll be in there with you.</p>
<p>Oh, maybe that’s what I remember then. Well I have to take it anyway so no biggie.</p>
<p>Nope, I’m taking it first half so its done by the time ME 450 gets serious. That would have been funny though. We could have played Guess Who on here</p>
<p>what math classes did you take before the michigan ones? you took them in high school? At washtenaw community college?</p>
<p>Him or me?</p>
<p>Vlad, right?</p>
<p>ME 450? god bless you son</p>
<p>Is anyone taking IOE 440 and/or 447 this Fall?</p>
<p>Can someone please tell me a bit more about IOE 447 (facility planning) and IOE 466 (statistical quality control) and which one is better to take next year? (in terms of material, difficulty, grading, professors, GSI’s etc.)</p>
<p>Keep in mind that I will be a graduate student (Master’s in Supply Chain Management) and I have heard that the curve for IOE 466 is different for graduate students compared to the undergraduate students</p>
<p>Don’t talk like that square , lol . I’ve got a great group so I think the pain should be reduced</p>
<p>I had a great group too (1 is going to be MIT masters, 1 is now PhD at UM, and the other is masters at UM). We were pulling our hairs out lol but it was a good ride.</p>
<p>What was your project?</p>