Is it time to make her come home?

My daughter is in her second semester of her Sophomore year at the OU. She started out as a music major and after her Freshman year decided that it wasn’t for her and changed majors…no big deal. Her grades were not great and she dropped several classes so we believed that a change would be good. (changed to elementary education) She took 9 hours last summer to try to catch up on her gen eds and made an F in one class. Let me say that she is very intelligent and talented but lazy. She failed the class because she didn’t do the work.

As upset as we were we let her go back to OU for her Sophomore year. Again she dropped classes and performed poorly. She skips class and would rather spend time with her boyfriend than study or do the work. She does not want for us to question her because she is an “adult” but we pay 100% of her living expenses and whatever her student loan does not pay for books and tuition. Her only responsibility is to go to class and get decent grades. After Christmas break and failing to make the required 2.75 GPA to gain entry into the school of education she was put on academic probation. We told her that if she didn’t bring her GPA up to a 2.75 that she was going to have to come home and attend a local university.

She thinks that we are ruining her life. We think that we are trying to minimize her student loans and our out of pocket cost for something that she isn’t taking seriously. I would love to hear from other parents on how they would handle this. Would you continue to pay and provide support or would you follow through on what we have threatened?

The Bank of Mom and Dad should close immediately.

Tell her to pay you back for every class she fails.

she needs a reality check and that will only happen if you tell her you will not pay for expensive college tuition until she PROVES herself.

I am sorry you are going through this. It definitely sounds like she needs boundaries.

She sounds really immature if she thinks that you are the one ruining her life. She can’t see that everything bad that is happening to her is the direct result of her actions. If she has to come home, she won’t be able to see her boyfriend and that will be 100% her fault. Not yours. Do not let her make you believe for one minute that you are responsible for any of her unhappiness. If she were my kid, I wouldn’t even pay for the local university, but make her work 40 hours a week in the service industry for at least a year.

Sorry to hear that it has been so rough. Sounds like it is quite close to not being your choice, or hers. She may not make it to next semester, which would in that case be all for the best.

If it does happen tho, be prepared – you don’t want to continue this battle at home (imagine how stressful that will be, when it is 24/7!) If she flunks out she will have brought it upon herself and you won’t need to drum that in.

Maybe it would be a good use of energy to think about boundaries, limits, financial and otherwise, in either scenario.

You are obviously a caring parent and want the best for your daughter. Keep us posted, and take in these positive thoughts from the rest of us parents! We all go through struggles with our kids, in one form or other…

You can’t MAKE her come home, but you can stop funding her college vacation. She will want to come home.

@momcinco has a great idea to get you thinking ahead about how to structure things if your D does end up at home. If you are married or have significant other, then working together to make decisions on D’s boundaries will be vital to your marriage/sanity.

I would go as far as making up a contract, and go over it with D before she ever steps foot in your home again. Have her sign it, and give her a copy. Choose appropriate consequences for breaking the contract, and sit back and let D have some free will and enjoy the fruits or punishments of her actions.

Are there younger children in your home? For their sake, you want to set a standard of decent and civil behavior in your home. She doesn’t have to like the new situation, but she should be taught to show respect and not disrupt the pleasant atmosphere of your home.

The above posters make a good point about having her at home. You and your spouse will ideally be on the same page as far as what is expected and what will be tolerated once she is done with her current college scenario. Was she vastly different in high school? Has she before worked and done well at school? Does she have friends at home who will be good peers? Just wondering…

Another option is to say that she can go back next year, but she has to take out loans for all expenses that tuition does not cover or pay with her summer job savings. If she gets a 3.0 average or gets her overall GPA up to 2.75 or whatever, you will pay those loans, otherwise she will.

Clearly she needs some skin in the game.

You have to think through unintended consequences of whatever you decide:

If you just don’t pay, then she will come home and do what?
Or she will move in with boyfriend?

But the method I suggested will keep her in school, but make her responsible for slacking off.

I am sorry your daughter has put you in this position. I think I would have followed the same steps as you( we want to believe in our child) but I agree with previous posters. It’s time for some tough love. My grandma used to tell me “Make your bed hard, you got sleep there”. It’s not too late to teach your daughter that you get from life what you put into it.

Bopper- Keep adding loans to the existing loans while the probability of getting a degree from this U starts to shrink?

Seems like poor financial planning regardless of who pays them off. Debt is still debt, and debt with no degree is a horror show.

OP- big hug. I think it’s time for a family meeting. It might help to have a neutral party there (counselor of some kind?) to keep the conversation on track. If it devolves into “you never listen to me and you’re ruining my life” vs. “you are frittering away hard earned money without regard to the consequences AND you aren’t on track to -y’know- actually get an education” you won’t get anywhere.

But if you can actually have a rational discussion-

Parents- we need a plan for how you’re going to complete your education and who is going to pay for what. But we don’t want you in college if going to class and doing your work isn’t going to be your primary priority. So- tell us what you want right now.

Kid- I need to take a break from school while I figure it out. If I come home to live and get a job, can I spend every other weekend on campus with my friends?

That type of dialogue.

I would encourage her to take some time off from school and work but not necessarily return home. It sounds like she is acquiring debt while not making good progress toward a degree. It’s not enough to refrain from subsidizing her expenses, you need to try to prevent her from getting herself into a big financial hole that will affect her for many years into the future.

I am so sorry you are going through this. Tough situation.

I am sympathetic to your problem and to your desire to cut your D off, but before you go nuclear, ask yourself a few questions: what is going on? was she like this in high school? if yes, what if anything worked then? if no, what changed? could she be struggling with her schoolwork legitimately? like not know how to study? (i.e. give her the full benefit of the doubt before pulling the plug) is it the bf? and how and why? does she have too much time? not enough? I’d dig down and try to figure out why she went astray. Overwhelmed? Adrift? Just sowing her wild oats?

I think it is fair at the end of the year to tell her you don’t think she is ready for OU, not on your nickel. I think the above posters are smart to ask whether you and your spouse are together on this issue, and if you have a plan for if she moves home and is a pita. If she were my kid (and I don’t know all the details of her life and your relationship), I’d tell her she needs to take some time off OU and figure out what she wants to do. I’d tell her she can live at home and work or live on her own and work—take a year off and get her head on straight. I’d tell her I love her and support her, but think she needs to take a breather from college.I’d tell her college is about growing up and exploring and learning, but especially learning!

Be ready for her to be mad and to act out. And she may well move in with the bf.

I was a lot like your daughter the first few years of college. I was also at a big state U (was OOS for me.) I floundered and was lazy. I always scheduled my classes for afternoons so I could sleep late - but that was when all my friends were done for the day, so I would skip mine to hang out with them. Since every class was ginormous no prof could possibly know I wasn’t in class. I did show up occasionally and I took all my exams but my grades were terrible. I did the summer thing, too, but at the same school since going home and staying out to the wee hours of the morning made my parent’s a wreck. Better I was away so they didn’t know what I was doing and they could sleep at night.

I did finally get my act together somewhat and taking upper level smaller classes and seminars helped, but in hindsight I should never have gone to that school at all. Should have gone to the small LAC where I was accepted. I don’t know how I would have reacted if my parents had made me come home - but I imagine I would have defied them, dropped out of school probably, gotten any old job and would have just stayed out in Colorado. Several years after graduating and working in NYC, I went back and got two masters degrees so even my not so great GPA and transcript didn’t end up mattering in the long run.

My rule of thumb with my kid was as long as he didn’t flunk out and graduated in 4 years I didn’t care a bit about what grades he got. I have only a general idea of his grades and that is only because he chooses to share. He is graduating in a few months and has a job lined up so I assume he has done alright.

I have been where you are. I guess I’ll start out by repeating some of the best advice that my parents gave me when my youngest son put me in this position last year: the best thing you can do for your child is to give them the freedom to fail.

My son finished his freshman year on probation. And this was after a less than stellar high school career. Emotionally, I was furious that he got himself into this a second time, after he was almost asked to leave his private high school (he bounced back and managed to graduate), concerned about how he was going to enter adulthood/find a good career, and even hopeful that he might turn it around. But mostly furious.

I was debating whether or not to send him back. He wanted to go back, and in fact he seemed to come clean at the end of second semester freshman year that he needed to work more, etc. But I wasn’t sure, and it seemed like ‘tough love’ would suggest he just come back home (he had less than a 2.0). But I talked it over with my parents, and they said that he knew what he needed to do, and that he’ll either turn it around or not.

So I sent him back, and initial reports were encouraging. But halfway through, in the middle of the night (he struggles with insomnia) I got a text that said he was doing poorly, and would it be a good idea to take a semester off, get his sleep under control, grow up and then go back. And of course I said that it was the best idea. He ended up not finishing out the semester very well–his GPA dropped even lower–and if he hadn’t decided to take time off, the school would have made him.

So I’m glad I sent him back. It wasn’t my decision at all that he’s not there, and even if it wasn’t his decision, it would have been the school’s decision to suspend him for a semester. I got to be the supportive parent.

He’s home now, working hard at two jobs, enjoying them, and doing well at them. But he constantly talks about going back next fall, which I don’t know is a good idea.

‘Tough love’ is letting natural consequences take their course, not necessarily stepping in to avoid a calamity with your own consequences. And remember that for these young adults, they are young enough where life provides them with second and even third chances. But of course, there also the issue of money. So it’s not so simple.

So at least I didn’t have to be the cause of his leaving school, as it was ultimately his decision (and also the school’s). Do you have any idea if she is doing better? In some ways, and I know this sound terrifying, but it might even be better if the school suspends her. She gets a reality check, you don’t have to pay, and it’s not your ‘fault’ in her eyes that she is home.

If she is still in a ‘gray area’, where she is not doing great but not poorly enough to get suspended, I think that it is a much more difficult decision. You could let her continue, and maybe she would get her degree, but then again, she will have to deal with the consequences. She might not be able to go to graduate school.

I know a few students who screwed up in college, had a sub 3.0 GPA upon graduation, and then took classes at their local university, etc. to try to bring up their GPA so they could apply to graduate school. These students have been very motivated and do very well. But you wouldn’t have to pay for those extra classes. And it would be the natural consequence of her not doing well.

I do feel for you. I’ve been in your position for quite some time now if you include the high school problems. You know your child best and her strengths and weaknesses. I know my child would excel in the workplace, and he has, mostly because he is bright and does best working with other people. Staying up late to do a power point presentation that only matters for him and his psychology grade is not motivation. So he doesn’t do it. But, a month ago he volunteered to improve this power point for his supervisor and took it home and stayed up late to complete it. They were really impressed. It’s frustrating, but that’s how he works.

Man, this is tough. I think I agree with the posters who’ve said don’t make her come home. Tell her that you can no longer contribute to her support while she is at OU, but you can offer her the opportunity to come home if she would like to continue a college education. In that case, you would be happy to make arrangements for her to live at home and attend the local college. If that is unacceptable, let her know that funding ceases with this semester and she will need to make arrangements to get a job and a place to live. At least it gives her a choice. And a couple of months to think about it/cool off. By not making he cut-off to get into the school of ed, she has likely added more time to her degree, more loan burden, and more cost. You really have to do something. And letting her carry on like she has been is not an option.

Your money, your bank, your rules…when the other side sees that can either be manipulated or bargained down, well, she is moving from the category of daughter to would-be parent. In short, its your call.

Thank you so much everyone! She was an honor student in high school and never caused us much trouble at all. She has been with her boyfriend for 4 1/2 years. His college is about 30 minutes away from hers. It is 2 1/2 hours from home. I want for her to stay at OU! I know she can do it I just don’t know how to motivate her.