Is there a SINGLE BS/MD I have a chance in hell at?

Pre-Med & Medical School Multiple Degree Programs
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<p>Here are my stats. I think that my recs will be great and although I suck at writing, I'll do my best on the essay and make sure it is very good to others and me, but is there ANY FREAKING BS/MD I can get into!! I want to be a doctor or dentist SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO bad, but I'm afraid I'm not going to get into medical school/dental school, which is why I really want to do a BS/MD (or the equivalent for Dental). So does anyone know of any that I have a good chance of getting into (no allopathics please)?</p>

<p>Stats:
demographics:
*I am an Asian Indian Male
*From a competitive public high school in Oregon: Beaverton High School, which was also rated the best AP school in Oregon, so yeah, its a smart school.
*student body at school = 500+</p>

<p>The Numbers/ECs
*ACT Composite 30 (8/12 on the essay ( AHHHHHHHHHHHHHH !!!!))
-English 30
-Science 24 (ouch..my chances)
-Reading 31
-Mathematics 34</p>

<p>*Freshman year:
Language Arts (Honors): A/A
Social Studies 9: A/A
Advanced Algebra 2: A/A
Bio/Chem/Phys 10 (Honors): A/A
SAT Math Prep: A
SAT Verbal Prep:A
Spanish 1:A/A
Team Sports:A
Health 1:A
Web Design:A
Computer Programming:A</p>

<p>*Sophomore Year:
AP Chem: B/A
Lit Comp 10 (Honors): A/A
Physics 2: A/A
Pre-Calc: A/B
Social Studies 10 :B/A (can explain this B)
Spanish 2:A/A
Symphonic Band: A/A
Team Sports: A
Health 2: A</p>

<p>*Junior Year:
Human Anatomy: A
IB Biology: A
Spanish 3: A
IB Calculus: A
IB Psychology: A
Team Sports: A
IB Seminar: P
IB English: A</p>

<p>Note: Right now I have a 3.897 UW GPA, but I should finish high school with around a 3.85-3.87, or at very worst 3.8 UW for fresh-senior year because I missed a few days due to a dental procedure, and my grades aren't doing so well right now</p>

<p>*class rank UW right now = 38/515. Weighted = 30/515. Right now I'm top 6%, but will probably wind up finishing high school in the lower end of top 10%
*IB Diploma Candidate (to be)
*NHS (2 years)
*Varsity tennis 4 years (will have 4)
*Science Team 4 years (will have 4)
*World Quest Trivia 4 years (will have 4)
*Science Club Treasurer (1 year)
*Science Club VP (2 years)
*Math Club (4 years) (VP 2 years)
*Portland Youth Philharmonic (2 years)
*Mathfest Algebra 2 1st place freshman year
*Oregon Invitational of Mathematics Tournament Participant Fresh Year
*Mathfest Participant (will have 4 years)
*6th Place at World Quest out of 32 10th grade
*Oregon Museum of Science and Industry Rising Star Program (will have 150-175 volunteer hours done)
*Mathcounts Tutor (about 50+ volunteer hours)
*Want to major in either Biomedical Engineering, Economics, Math, Physics, but then go on to med school or dent school.</p>

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<p>Obviously you don't want to be a doctor OR dentist that bad or you would only be attracted to one profession. Your EC's show that not only are you not familiar with either field, but that you have no (READ: ZERO) shot at getting into any combined program. You could have a 5.0 GPA with a 2400 and you still would have no shot with those EC's.</p>

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<p>Makshim makes a good point. You NEED medically related ECs.</p>

<p>as for choosing between combined med and combined dental, makshim makes another good point. Knowing that you want to be one of two things is NOT good enough for these programs. they WILL find out at some point that you are applying for combined med and dent programs (even if you lie to yourself and apply to both), and will auto-deny you. Your ECs make you look like a mathematician/scientist more than doctor/dentist.</p>

<p>Even with ECs, if you can't narrow your choices down to one, it ISN'T going to work. I have a friend who wanted to do BS/MD and BS/JD(law) programs. He went for a couple interviews last year and realized that he wasn't SURE what he wanted to do, got rejected from all the programs, and went on to normal undergrad thankful that he hadn't locked himself into an agreement to become either a doctor or a lawyer.</p>

<p>Don't lock yourself into becoming a doctor/dentist if you're not 100% sure that you want to go into that profession.</p>

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I'm afraid I'm not going to get into medical school/dental school

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<p>Your reason for wanting to go to a BS/MD program is worrying.</p>

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<p>-I'm doing a dental exploring program at OHSU
-I'm planning on shadowing either a doc or dentist during a good part of the summer.
-Will try and do an anatomy-related research project during the summer.</p>

<p>Will that stuff count as health-related ECs?</p>

<p>And also, come on, I know I'm not as smart as you guys, but I know I have to narrow it down to one. Right now, I'm leaning toward dentistry, but trust me, I will have that figured out by summer.</p>

<p>thanks for the replies though</p>

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<p>PM replied to. Your brain research sounds interesting, OP, especially if you actually do something there and get your name on it and it is published. That's something that would impress an admissions committee.</p>

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<p>Take the SAT -- you'll need to.</p>

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<p>I did bad though. I only got a 1900 or something like that (1310 CR+Math). I like the ACT better because its not as lame</p>

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<p>take a million practice tests (SATS)
each in one sitting</p>

<p>go for it - good luck</p>

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<p>yeah but you got a 24 on the science section...that's gonna hurt ALOT. Your gpa is slightly above average, and your lack of med ec's will hurt. Granted, with those few dental ec's there, the dental outlook looks kinda better...but its still iffy, especially with those standardized test scores.</p>

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<p>Most programs want a 1450 (CR + Math). Try again and hope you do better. If not, there is absolutely nothing wrong with doing it 4 years. Maybe you'd be better off and get into a med school that you like more. Then again, being pre-med in college = 4 years of hell...</p>

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<p>Can anyone enrolled in the bs/md program chance me:</p>

<p>I’m an international Student currently living in Toronto, Canada.
I’m an “asian” student with an American Citizenship.</p>

<p>Stats:
ACT-33 ( & 9/12 on essay)
Math 2c-800
Physics -800
Korean with listening - 760</p>

<p>AP Physics B - 5
AP Calculus AB -5</p>

<p>IB Program:
English HL - 6
Biology HL - 6
Chemistry HL -7
French SL -5
Geography SL -7
Math SL -7
TOK & Extended Essay -2 (IB Diploma)</p>

<p>Top 5% of </p>

<p>Extra Curricular:
Played school basketball team for 4 years
Played Houseleague basketball for 5 years
School badminton team -1 year
15 Math Contest Certificates and 1 Science contest certificate and 1 biology contest certificate.
Volunteer at Library 100+ (hours)
Volunteer at hospital as a translator for patients 100+
Raised money for Cancer Research, going about neighborhoods 50+
French award (highest mark in grade 10)
Math award (I don’t know if this counts b/c i got it in my gr. 8 grad)
Went to Tijuana, Mexico to help needies 150+
Went to native village to help needies 100+
School Orchestra for 4 years
School Chamber (Advanced) Orchestra for 2 years
LEADER of Church Orchestra for 2 years
Track & Field for 2 years
Math Club for 1 year</p>

<p>I’m applying to a BS/MD program.
Considering my stats and the fact that I’m an “asian” international student with an American Citizenship, which universities(With the particular program) would be realistic for me?</p>

<p>Appreciate the help people.</p>

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<p>david… - “Asian” is not minority applying to bs/md, but rather large group. Apply widely, some of them not very known, and I believe that you have a chance. </p>

<p>California… - you need better stats. You might get lucky, apply see what happen. Check out U of Toledo. They have 2 bs/md programs.</p>

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<p>I had similar stats as you and I got into a BS/MD program, which I graduated from (in med school now). My grades were actually a lot worse, but our scores were similar. Just apply broadly and see what happens. You DO have a shot, but make sure you get those medical/dental EC completed.</p>

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<p>@ MiamiDAP
according to the collegeboard website,
for University of Toledo:</p>

<p>97% In-state students
3% Out-of-state students
<1% American Indian/Alaskan Native
2% Asian/Pacific Islander
16% Black/Non-Hispanic
3% Hispanic
74% White/Non-Hispanic
1% Non-Resident Alien
5% Race/ethnicity unreported </p>

<p>Only 3 % are out-of-state and 2% are Asian
So I don’t think I have a chance for getting accepted to the program in U of Toledo.
Or are these stats not applied to the program???</p>

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<p>I was born in Los Angeles, California but I spent almost all my years in Korea and where I live right now, Canada. Would I be considered an “in-state” student if I were to apply to a university in California?
If not, could anyone (enrolled in the bs/md program) please list universities in the eastern region of the United States for which I have a chance?</p>

<p>Thanks again.</p>

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<p>@MiamiDAP
isn’t the other one called BA/MD?
Could one be able to get into med school through the program?</p>

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<p>Are you a junior or senior? Its a little late to apply if you are a senior, but you would need to check the due dates. Google bs/md programs. If you are a junior I would keep working at the medical ecs. Also I would not think you are a California resident if you do not live there.</p>

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<p>It could be. One is biomedical engineering in UG, another is biology in UG. I do not know stats, I advise you to apply. Biomed engineering is co-op that takes 4 years instead of 5, so it is accelerated. Contact them, ask questions. There were OOS. Maybe not so many because Toledo programs are not well known. Both programs are combined with U of Toledo College of Medicine (whatever name as of now, I am not sure. it used to be called MCO, then MUO, then it merged with U of Toledo) and without requirement of MCAT, which is a huge plus.</p>

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<p>Thanks MiamiDAP!</p>