It's true - NYU financial aid is rotten

<p>You should compare yourselves to them because prior to going to NYU, you don't know if you will like it or not. Nearly everyone goes into NYU assuming they will love it - thats why they picked it. But the fact is you have a much higher probability of not enjoying yourself than at other schools. But only you know what type of person you are - theres plenty of in on this site about what type of person will enjoy a city school without a campus - and whether you will succeed here. I'm just asking that people don't ignore all the red flags and be like " o I'm just like that person, but this won't apply to me!" because it probably will. My advice is further magnified if you are going into boatloads of debt for NYU. </p>

<p>Again, I am going by both anecdotal evidence (Ask ANY Junior, they will tell you a majority of the students hate it here, it's common discussion, even among people who do enjoy it), and based on peer evaluation studies giving to college board, business week, etc that explicitly say we are reamed in the ranking because the students are considerably less satisfied than at other comparable schools. </p>

<p>If you want to ignore all the negativity, its fine, as I said I happen to enjoy NYU, but at least take it into consideration and realize it is not BS. If you are not outgoing/have trouble making friends, have trouble with money, want a campus spirit, want personalized support, frat life, good sports etc...you almost certainly won't be happy here.</p>

<p>Matti:</p>

<p>Get out once in a while and try to make friends. Maybe you will be happier. Sounds like I have had a better experience in three months than you have have in your three years.</p>

<p>You get out of it what you put in both academically and socially. So far so good.</p>

<p>You sure are witty, and have good reading comprehension too...I'm sure you'll succeed here.</p>

<p>Personallly, I'd trake everything on this board with a grain of salt. Not as bad as some say, but not as good as others say. Like most things you've got to make your own way. NYU might not be for everyone, but for the most part students I come in contact with (all grades and schools) are generally pretty happy. </p>

<p>I will admit the other schools I was considering WashU, Carnegie-Mellon and Emory would have probably been fine for me as well. I try to roll with the punches, get along fine and make a fair amount of friends.</p>

<p>I'm not a big partier, I take my studies seriously and I believe I'm having a good shot at college life both academically and socially.</p>

<p>FWIW, my son is a freshman at NYU CAS and he is very happy.</p>

<p>New York City is not for everybody. He has been going to NYC for many years because my brother lives in Manhattan. As far as the social aspect, he is a very outgoing social person. A people magnet. But you can't sit in your room and expect good things to happen. </p>

<p>you need to "get out there" and participate in WHATEVER turns you on. be it a school activity, a volunteer thing.</p>

<p>I don't think it's possible to be bored, alone and unhappy in NYC if you are a people person. There are 8 million people in Manhattan. It's hard to avoid them :-)</p>

<p>That being said, some people just don't like all the hustle and bustle of NYC, but IMO, that's not a reflection of NYU</p>

<p>And if they hate it so much, they have the right to transfer. Or else, they shouldn't be complaining.</p>

<p>transferring is hard, most people make a majority of their friends during freshmen year. A lot of people drink themselves to death freshmen year also and get a cruddy GPA, lowering their transferring prospects also.</p>

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<p>and whose fault is that?!</p>

<p>as far as making friends the first year.... SO WHAT. You're 18-19 yo. You will be meeting new people for the rest of your life. If you can't meet people and make connections in a new situation that is your problem, not the schools. And certainly not a good reason not to transfer.</p>

<p>My BF's sister went to NYU as a freshman (albeit 20 years ago). She hated it, she partied too much, she transferred out. If you don't like your first college it's no different than not liking your first job or your first boyfriend or girlfriend. Life is full of changes and choices. people who have a hard time with change (some changes will be your choice, some will not) are going to be suffering their whole life. It's not a college thing, it's a life thing.....</p>

<p>OTOH, my brother transferred to NYU as a junior/senior and spent about 5 semesters there before graduating. He loved NYC so much he never left (and that was ~ 20 years ago).</p>

<p>Baskin Robbins has 31 flavors, not everyone is a vanilla or chocolate kind of person.</p>
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<p>It's what you value in a college.. this discussion is stupid</p>

<p>Well said, sue!</p>

<p>I would put more stock in what matti stated if he were ONLY talking of his OWN experiences at NYU. But the validity of his opinion went out the door for me when he wrote that most at NYU are miserable and don't like it there. It is MUCH preferred if each person writes about their own experiences. Then, prospective students who should not put too much stock into any ONE person's views of the school, can weigh a variety of perspectives of current students. But Matti, I'm sorry, but you state as FACT that most are not happy at NYU and that simply is not based on anything (peer review is an entirely different thing.....peers outside the school evaluate the school). </p>

<p>To offer a different view, my own kid is half way through her junior year at NYU and LOVES NYU immensely. She talks constantly of how great her experiences and opportunities are there and how she is so glad to have been able to attend. I don't think she'll ever want it to end. While she'd love to study abroad, she is not willing to miss a semester of her school on campus. This doesn't mean that every kid will love it, but plenty of kids do. I have met countless peers of hers and they seem to be really enjoying NYU as well. And since this thread is on FA, I will add that we are very pleased with her FA package and the surprise of the four year scholarship she received upon acceptance. The school is costing less than many others would cost us. She has wanted to attend NYU since she was much younger and so far, it has MORE than lived up to her expectations. </p>

<p>NYU, like ANY school, is not for everyone. But I feel certain that the majority there are NOT miserable. There are miserable students at any school and the thing is to try to turn their experience around and if that is not successful, transfer. </p>

<p>NYU has been the perfect place for my kid and we couldn't be happier that she is so happy there and thriving and having amazing opportunities. It has been worth every penny that we'll be paying out for years to come. We do not evaluate a college's worth based on the job she'll get upon graduation or the income she will earn but for the educational experience itself. And that has been VERY worthy.</p>

<p>PS....matti said it was tough making friends at NYU.....I think that depends on the person. My kid has so many friends that she has trouble finding time to see them all. She has many SETS of friends from different aspects of her experiences there....some from her program, some from her extracurricular groups, and so on.</p>

<p>By the way, matti mentions if you want frat life and sports, you won't be happy at NYU. Well, duh, I hope anyone looking into colleges, has a personalized set of criteria. If frat life and big college sport scene is important, it is readily apparent that NYU doesn't fit that description and would not be a good match.</p>

<p>I don't know why saying most people aren't happy throws my opinion "out the door" when it's based on statistical evidence...in fact it should be worth more than an anecdotal story. If some one has a paid subscription to U.S.News or Businessweek you can't find the student satisification surveys yourself.</p>

<p>the Dean of Stern has even sent out emails asking us to stop devaluing our diplomas by rating our school so badly when it comes to the student satisfaction surveys. </p>

<p>I don't want to be rude, but I really don't understand how people who haven't even gone to NYU, or who haven't been here more than a few months, can really say they know more about the mood and opinions of NYU than I can...</p>

<p>Like I said, if they dislike the school, then they can transfer. That's why I don't buy that "dissatisfied with their school" crap.</p>

<p>And if they have low grades, than that's too bad.</p>

<p>Mattis, a student who's nejoying the time at his school is less likley to rate it. He'd be less upset or angered (or bored) and woudln't bother submitting his opinion. Like everyone else has been saying, you have to pick your school, and hope it works with you. Its impossible not to find friends with 20,000 + students and a city of 8 million - you just have to put in the effort.</p>

<p>Financing any college is going to be hard - but I personally believe it's worth it!</p>

<p>fell4ever, 1) everyone fills out the surveys, and 2) even if this were not true, the logic is flawed - unhappy people would fill it out at every school, not just NYU.</p>

<p>Phoenix - there's nothing to buy into, there's nothing subjective about what I have stated. But since everyone still seems persuaded by anecdotes and conjecture instead of facts (Definitely utilize NYU's philosophy department, #1 in the country - especially in regards to knowledge and opinions), transferring to a comparable school is difficult, especially since the lack of campus spirit here, leads to lack of EC's...most people don't plan to transfer the minute they come here, but if you decide to transfer and have no EC's... its very hard. Also if you happen to not do well the first semester or two, you can't transfer....Grades are done on a curve, only 20% or so of the class can have a 3.6-3.7+ or higher which is needed to transfer to a comparable school. Furthermore you can be very unhappy, but if you become intertwined with friends, networks, jobs etc...it becomes hard to transfer. It's easy to argue when its all abstract and you are a cocky HS'er....but once you actually get to college and make friends and connections you'll see its hard to transfer. But as I said, the low satisfaction of NYU students is a fact, not a opinion of mine</p>

<p>You can be happy at NYU, I'm just saying that everyone idealizes it into the "Number 1 Dream"
school and they really should have realistic expectations. Furthermore, now that its the number 1 dream school, the expectation become higher and higher as it is self-reinforcing...further from reality. Remember, it's prospective college students filling out the survey - people who have no idea what the college is like. Everyone REALLY needs to stop misconstruing what I'm writing - I'm not saying everyone hates NYU, and I'm not saying I dislike it- and everyone needs stop being so confrontational on issues they know nothing about...If you keep that kind of attitude in college, you won't make many friends.</p>

<p>NYU is need blind for admissions but does not provide 100% of need. They do not claim that they do. The word "on the street" is that NYU gaps big time, so it should not be a surprise that their aid package comes out less than those schools that guarantee 100% of need or whose info show that a large % of need is met for the most part. NYU does not fall into either category.</p>

<p>However, I would not recommend deleting NYU from your list even if you need lots of financial aid. When NYU very much wants you, they do have have some very generous merit in aid awards that they can offer. I know some kids that have gotten some great scholarships and found themselves in the situation where NYU was the MOST generous school in terms of aid. Some even got MORE than 100% of need met due to the merit nature of some of the aid. However, when applying, bear in mind that there is a merit factor involved in getting this money, and merit is defined as how much they want you. You should go into this app being aware that it is highly likely that you will be gapped, but there is a possibility that you can get a generous package. This way of thinking is the way you should approach schools that give merit awards. There is no guarantee you will get any of that money, and if the school is not a 100% of aid provided school, your need may not factor strongly in getting that money.</p>

<p>I laugh reading these posts because I was the exact same way going into college: "NYU is awesome, I don't care how much it costs, the city is so worth it, great cultural experience, with 8 million people in NYC there's always someone to talk to, blah blah blah", but everything needs to be taken with a grain of salt, the bad AND the good...</p>

<p>I'm not saying these things aren't true and that you can't have a fantastic time at NYU, but it really all is relative to your personal situation, especially finances and financial aid:</p>

<p>(I'm a Steinhardt Chlidhood/Special Ed Junior)</p>

<p>Living costs & dorming: I applied RD, so my "preference" list of dorms was basically read upside down. I chose 3rd North 5th of 6, and that's where I got placed, but I also met people who put it 1st or 2nd and got it. It's really a crapshoot. I say this because, as mattistotle said, Freshman year is when everyone makes a lot of their friends. (No, not all your friends are from Freshman year, and yes, of course you meet different people here and there, but going into college, those first people you meet are a pretty strong influence.) Living in the apartment style dorms was impactful because it is a totally different experience from the "traditional" ones like Rubin, Hayden, Weinstein, and Brittany. In Third North, the main apartment door is metal, so you can't prop it open to welcome people to pop in on you as the typical college student would in a "traditional" dorm. It sounds ridiculous, but it's kind of alienating, in a way. Also, when you live with four other people and you have a living room, you find less use of lounges and common areas around the building, eliminating another way people typically make friends at college. I'm not saying you're going to be holed up in your room for 3 months, but the social scene requires much more effort than what I've witnessed visiting my friends at schools like TCNJ, with a more "campusy/community" feel. Some people try to choose dorms based on prices, but you really don't have much of a choice unless you go low-cost, Explorations, or are ED.</p>

<p>Commuting is the next thing I can speak to because after my Freshman year, I moved back home to North Jersey (45minute-ish bus/subway commute). I moved home not for financial reasons, but because I just did not really enjoy living on campus, and I felt that it wasn't worth the 5 figures to live in an NYU dorm with the silly visitor policies and still have to take a 15-20 minute commute to campus if I lived somewhere like Water or 26th Street. However, getting involved with Commuter Events on campus, I met many people who don't live on campus because it is simply not in their budget. The problem is, with everyone's crazy schedules, it is difficult for organizations like the Commuter Circle to plan events around every single student's individual time availabilities (They have a commuter escape on Thursday nights from 5-7, and I have class until 8pm). Therefore, commuting makes it infinitely harder to make friends and socially connect with people, and those who commute often do it because of money. Yea, you will have a better experience living on campus, most likely, but is it worth the $45k-ish you'll be taking out in loans? Most people don't think so.</p>

<p>Employment: Everyone that is considering their work study balance into their financial aid, please realize that that money only refers to the maximum amount of money you are offered to get a work study job over the semester (I met a girl Freshman year who SWORE hers was "already taken off my tuition bill"). I have never met someone who used all of his/her work study money because most jobs that use work study don't pay anything spectacular ($7-$10/hr, usually), so unless you work your ass off, you will probably use about half of it. Employment has a HUGE, probably the biggest impact, on your level of happiness at NYU. If you can afford to not work, and your parents will be refilling your debit card, sending you money, or paying your credit card bill without question (not calling to ask why you have $150 charge from Josie Woods' on a Tuesday night), then you will probably have a fantastic time. However, one of my suitemates Freshman year was taking out lots of loans to go to NYU, and her sister was a Senior at Yale. Needless to say, her parents were not hooking her up with any serious cash. She worked two jobs, approximately full-time, and lived on the tightest budget possible (her jobs paid for food and other living expenses since our dining hall was a joke; she rarely went to the movies, never went out drinking or anything). She wasn't miserable, by some miracle, and made friends & had fun, but the point is, when you have to work and schedule classes, work, homework, studying, and food shopping, you are burnt out, tired, and will question putting in the effort it requires @ NYU to make friends.</p>

<p>Also, about work study, realize that with increasing class-sizes comes cuts, which happened to me this year. My parents didn't have any startling jump in their income, but for some reason, I lost my work study and my America Reads job I had for the past two years. I've been looking for various other jobs, but given my crazy schedule, it's been tricky. But I'll get more into that in...</p>

<p>Academic demand: No one on this board, especially Freshmen, should be discounting anything Mattistotle has to say until they are in their Junior year at NYU and know how tough it is. I am a Junior, and this past semester was the hardest, but most rewarding and educational one so far. This is because Freshmen and Sophomore year you usually take the MAP classes and most of your requirements, similar to some courses you may have already taken in high school (My entire ConWest final Freshman year was on Crime & Punishment, which I read Junior year of HS), and if you put in the required effort, you will usually fare fine. As an Education major, I took a few ed classes up to this point, but this year is when everything major kicks in. We student teach 10 hours a week, a full school day & a half day (for 2 credits), and are still taking 16 credits in addition to those 2. We have a full course load, with classes going from 3:30-7 and 3:30-8 on Tuesdays & Thursdays in addition to a Liberal Arts concentration. Therefore, I can't get a tutoring/nanny/babysitting job because I'm not available everyday after school. Also, if I get a waitress/bartender job, I'm not going to work the night before I get up at 5:45 in the morning to go to student teaching, so my only option is to work after I've been in class from 11-8 (with a few 15 minute breaks between classes). Piling on the hours of reading & work each week, you can see where the social life just doesn't seem as fun as sleeping occassionally. The same time problems apply to any major though, because all these "hookups" and internships you speak of usually take up a ridiculous amount of time with little credit compensation, causing you to have to take more classes and have a ton more work to do on top of that.</p>

<p>The academic demand serves as a catalyst to essentially intensify multiple negative aspects about NYU that, as high school seniors, you are overlooking & saying, "Oh no, that's not me!": Roommates who get up early or come home late, people who leave dishes and don't clean up after themselves, having to physically walk the 20 minutes (or to the subway & then ride to class) to get to class, waiting for the unreliable NYU buses, the crappy dining hall food.</p>

<p>Being so busy makes you question, "Why did I take out all these loans when all I'm getting is a ridiculous amount of work from a teacher who will never know my name since I sit in the back of a 320 person lecture hall once a week for three hours, then I get to come home to my apartment, that despite how much I scrub it, the floors will never be 'clean', and if I'm not ambitious enough to cook, I get to go downstairs to a dining hall that, towards the end of the semester, resembles Cold War Russia?"</p>

<p>Sure, I sound cynical, but when I was applying to schools, I came on these boards and a girl told me, "If you're not an independent, very ambitious person, willing to cut through all the red tape @ NYU and lose a lot of sleep in the process, you're better off somewhere else." She was spot on, and I strongly encourage you to take her advice and look at yourself honestly.</p>

<p>So this is an insanely long post, but I just thought of another thing that I myself overlooked because I had that HS senior mentality that I was going to go to "the best college ever": transfers. Junior year is usually when people transfer from schools, especially community colleges, so this year I've met plenty of transfer students. Some went to state schools, others went to community colleges, and some even got into NYU but opted to save money & not go. Depending on your options, don't cross out the possibility of transferring. I mean, it isn't something to base your decision on, but it's something to consider, given that some schools have partnerships and scholarships with NYU (Bergen Community College in NJ has a transfer program to Steinhardt for Early Childhood/Special Ed majors as long as you complete 2 years there with a certain GPA). Just a thought.</p>

<p>I think this thread goes to show that each person's experience is different. Any prospective student should talk to MANY current students to glean accounts. All I can say is that my daughter's experiences and attitude about NYU is not like matti's or trees'. The one thing I can agree with treee about is being an ambitious person....my own kid fits that description. I also agree that the apt. style housing is not like traditional housing in terms of meeting friends on the floor. My D also lived in Third North as a freshman. She has a ton of friends at NYU but met none through the dorm. Other than that, my D's situation and enjoyment of NYU doesn't coincide with the accounts I am reading here. </p>

<p>Also, Matti talks about kids not doing ECs due to lack of school spirit. Hmmm. Well, my kid is very involved in ECs. I guess it depends on the kid. </p>

<p>I agree with cptofthehouse about the FA at NYU and how it works. As well, some students do receive scholarships. Like she writes, my D's scholarship at NYU was bigger than at all her other accepted schools where she also won scholarships. We didn't even know that NYU offered scholarships until she received it. </p>

<p>My D does not do the work study jobs offered in the FA package. My D's schedule is such that a job with regular hours would not work into her schedule. However, due to various skills she has, she works flexible jobs that earn a lot of money, way more than any work study job pays. </p>

<p>My D has to take ten courses per semester. She goes to school all day. Her EC obligations are every single night until late and also on weekends. This is before doing homework. It is very demanding but she loves it. She also takes on extra things because she wants to. It is an extremely full load with barely time to sleep. By the way, my D has not run into red tape at NYU. She is not in large classes and her teachers definitely all know her name. </p>

<p>Matt, I am not aware of any survey my D has ever had to fill out. Perhaps she has but I am not aware of it. I know she would have glowing remarks as she is constantly waxing poetic about the fantastic time she is having at NYU, that she loves the place and is so happy she is able to attend. </p>

<p>I'm sure there are students who are not happy. Perhaps they would not be happy at any school, hard to say. Both my kids are extremely happy at their colleges. They are go getters and seek out friends and opportunities and are grateful for all the ones given at their schools. They are learning a great deal as well. So, I don't know what to attribute it to, but both my kids, including the one at NYU, are overly satisfied "customers." As parents, so are we. Both are very driven people who go beyond what is required and take on many opportunities at their schools both in and out of the classroom. Maybe their satisfaction has something to do with that, I can't say. They are working hard but enjoying it very much. Both are very involved outside of the academics as well. Both are excelling academically at their schools. They find it challenging, but do really well. Meeting the other kids from all over also adds to the greatness of the total experience. As for my kid at NYU, she also loves NYC. Perhaps that setting is not for everyone. My kid went from a town of 1700 to a dorm of almost as many people! Her background is night and day to NYU/NYC and she is loving every minute of it.</p>

<p>10 courses per semester???? You mean per academic year (which would be 5 per semester)</p>

<p>I will state that unless you have lots of $$ saved up or rich parents, and you want to live the NYC lifestyle ($12 movies, $50 broadway shows, $60 jeans and $150 pea coat), then you will need to work. </p>

<p>Even with a 30K scholarship, I'm putting out over my EFC. And my son has a perkins and stafford loan (no pell grant). He has chosen not to use his Work study opportunity (it was for only $900) because he can make more $ elsewhere.</p>

<p>Sue, my daughter has ten courses PER SEMESTER. She is in Tisch. She goes to school more hours than the typical college student.</p>