<p>Hey, I plan on going to Kelley for Finance, but is it really what good like people say it is. I know it has consistently been ranked the top ten in the nation, but here's my question... How could a schoo be so good if it has an 83% acceptance rate. Is it overated!? Don't get me wrong, I'm a huge IU fan, but I'm thinking about attending another college. I just don't know how Kelley could be one of the top ten business schools if it accepts everyone that applies in!</p>
<p>Its all about the faculty and the jobs after IU. Companies wouldnt recruit if they thought the kids were stupid. IU is always ranked high among recruiter satisfaction. Dont let those numbers fool you. Pepperdine's admission rate is almost 30 points lower than Umichigan. So cleary UM isnt better than pepperdine? IU is a good school just look at the companies that go there.</p>
<p>ps. I am not trying to be mean. Just making a point.</p>
<p>appreciate it...</p>
<p>Furthermore, the Kelley school does not have an 83% admission rate. the Office of Undergraduate Admissions is responsible for that figure. The reason why IU accepts so many students is that its requirements are very "average" so to speak. For instance, they generally require about a 3.4 GPA and 1111 SAT score according to Princeton Review. While these requirements are not as easy as some other schools, they are also not as hard as others such as University of Michigan, Northwestern, NYU, and other big name schools. Because of this, there are many people that are over-qualified who will get accepted and even more people who have average grades and are therefore perfectly qualified for admission into IU undergrad. </p>
<p>The easy application is also cause for the huge number of applications IU receives and therefore accepts, and IU works differently than other schools. At other universities, such as UMich, you have to apply directly to the school you wish to be accepted into and then be accepted directly into that school. at IU, you only have to select a possible major on the application and that college within the university will send you recruitment information. So, IU accepts a lot of students into its general student body because the competition for spots in specific colleges is just non-existent.</p>
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How could a schoo be so good if it has an 83% acceptance rate.
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Since when does the acceptance rate of a school have anything to do with the teaching that takes place inside it?</p>
<p>There is a reason it's highly ranked. If you think low acceptance rate + high SAT scores = good school, you're kidding yourself. Look at the professors, where IU's business program has been ranked #1. The recruiters, where IU sends hundreds into the Investment Banking field. The hundreds of companies that come onto campus to recruit the students. The plethora of oppurtunities avaliable.</p>
<p>Appreciate it... Yeah, I'm derinitely going to IU...</p>
<p>Besides the point A2Wolves made (very valid, I might add), there is also the weeding out process that happens in the early business classes. My son was in one class this year (one required for graduation from the business school) where only 44% of the people in the class got through it with a passing grade. Since you need a B average for the business school, this also weeds out about another 25% of the people who want to apply.</p>
<p>Lastly, consider how many students drop out of the school after acceptance or change to easier majors within the school (for example, switch from acct or finance to general management). This number is more significant than you might expect. The professors are great (ranked #1 for business by the Princeton Review and the Wall Street Journal), but the curriculum is tough. </p>
<p>Don't expect to just waltz in here, party all the time and get your Kelley business school diploma;--it doesn't work like that. You'll need to work hard, and compete against a tough group to get in, but once you do you'll realize what a great education you are getting. My son has already realized this. (Originally he wanted to transfer to NYU or Michigan--now he's not even slightly considering doing so--he likes Indiana and realizes the education and professors here are top-notch).</p>
<p>Calcruzer, I was in those classes your S is talking about. I took the W in A100 and a C- in E201 (have to retake both courses this semester), two weed-out courses. A good strategy is to take the hard courses over the summer at a CC, and transfer them over to IU. The credit transfers, not the grade. So over the summer take Accounting, Math, and Economics, and get credits so that on IU's campus you can build up your GPA with other courses that aren't so hard (X220, X104, X204, G202, X201, and G.E. classes). </p>
<p>I agree 100% with the comment made about the attitude the student need towards the school and the education here. I came in thinking it would be easy, that I would just get my degree, get my job, and move on. And right now, I have the lowest GPA of my life and need an attitude adjustment. If you think "oh, these admission standards are low, IU is an easy school", you're setting yourself up for failure. The average GPA here is a 3.0, and around a 2.7 for business students.</p>
<p>hey a2wolves hows ur winter break?</p>
<p>Once you are into honors (direct admit), "k204 (the honors version of k201)" is a joke (but you have to study, but easy easy), X104 is easy (the professors WANT you to succeed there), A100 is hard hard (Tiller is a good weed out professor), M118 is fairly straight forward (do your homework and don't skip class like I did, cost me an A (if i attended ONE more class i would have a 90 :( )), Gen Eds are actually IMO easy to get B or higher but HARD to get a 4.0 in, business classes are easier to get "A's". Economics I am taking next semester, but i got lucky (easiest professor in the department!).</p>
<p>One thing i recommend like no other is PickAProf.com (use it buy it borrow it). Those grade distributions help a lot. And don't listen to whatever your "adviser" advises for General Education classes. Do your research and find easier ones.</p>
<p>Keep in mind you need a B in ALL of the weed out courses to get into Kelly (good old A100 can easily prevent that)</p>
<p>dcho - i'm so happy i'm away from you. haha.</p>
<p>damitssam - who are you taking for E201 next semester? I assume Walker? haha I didn't get the A in M118 either, then again, I attended that class on average less than once a week.</p>
<p>aaaaah a2wolves im hurt. btw i was able to get an A in A100 :)</p>
<p>Are you looking for congratulations? Because i'm not the kind of person to do that. Anyone can get an A in A100.</p>
<p>Well, maybe not everyone can get an A in A100--apparently 5 out of the 6 people who signed up for the class couldn't do so. My son got through it, but only with an C+. He can move on to an easier classes now. I agree that three of the four required Economics courses are slightly tougher courses (my son took E202 and got a B). Fortunately, he loved C121 and X100 (A+ and A in these--missed the A+ in this second course by 3 points out of 1000 possible). Then he got one A and one B in his two history courses (his gen ed distribution major).</p>
<p>I agree with A2Wolves6's assessment. Take the accounting and econ courses offsite if you can get ones that transfer, then take the other courses (which are easier for the most part) on-site to build up the GPA. It's difficult to do that for any courses that are required to get into Kelley, however, since you have to get them on the transcript if you want to apply for sophomore year admittance. This is the reason my son will be taking the Survey of Calculus, English Composition, and Computer in Business courses next semester.</p>
<p>Hey, dammitsam, who did you take for M118 (Finite Math)? Apparently you got a pretty good professor based upon your comments.</p>
<p>We both took Dabrowski for M118. He was easy, but I rarely attended. Got annoyed by the webwork though, near the end of the semester I stopped doing it, which was a huge mistake.</p>
<p>I took Orrick. He doesn't curve his quarter exams, but they are pretty easy... however, the grade distribution says otherwise... 2.47 average, my B+ was matched with around 20% of the class.</p>
<p>Accounting indeed is hard. Althugh somehow in my class, 30% got A's, highly unusual. (Of course this doesnt count the 100+ people who dropped -_-)</p>
<p>A2wolves what time did you have dabrowski's class? i was in the 1:25 one.</p>
<p>i actually almost missed that final because I thought it was at 1230, and when i realized my mistake it had already started 15 minutes earlier. could have been bad.</p>
<p>hey guys, does anyone know if the K201 materials for the class are the same ones used for K204 (honors version) or are they different.</p>
<p>are you doing k204? if so, the 930?</p>
<p>I've been reading this thread and it's got me worried. If I enroll at Indiana as a Kelley direct admit and I blow the accounting course my first year, am I out?</p>