<p>Hi! My daughter was just accepted into IU but not directly into the Kelly BS. While her ACT score is above requirement, her GPA isn't where it need to be. How hard is it to get accepted into Kelly once at IU? I think you have to maintain B avg but if you do, are you guaranteed admission? Do students already accepted into Kelly have preferential treatment with regard to course selection (in Soph year)?</p>
<p>Thanks.</p>
<p>By “BS” I hope you mean “Business School”…</p>
<p>You have to maintain a B or higher in each individual class. This includes non business classes such as gen eds. </p>
<p>This is my first semester here as a transfer student from a community college and so far it has not been too bad. Just make sure you spread out the difficulty of the classes in your schedules and don’t get over confident. Your going to have to put in a lot of study time!</p>
<p>If you put in a genuine effort, you should be able to do it. From what I’ve seen, it seems like Finite and Business Calc. are the classes that puts most students at risk of getting bellow a B (83%). </p>
<p>The first test in those classes will be a reality check for a lot of people since the material is more difficult than most of the students are used to. (At least the freshmen) </p>
<p>Kelley still accepts applicants with grades below a B, but each grade below a B will greatly reduce your chances of getting in. </p>
<p>For a general idea of how people do in Finite, here are some statistics from previous classes. </p>
<p>[Grade</a> Distribution Database: Office of the Registrar: Indiana University Bloomington](<a href=“http://gradedistribution.registrar.indiana.edu/gradedist.php?dept=MATH&subject=m&crse=118&clsnbr=&instrname=&report_selection=gradedist&search_process=go]Grade”>http://gradedistribution.registrar.indiana.edu/gradedist.php?dept=MATH&subject=m&crse=118&clsnbr=&instrname=&report_selection=gradedist&search_process=go)</p>
<p>Note that the average GPA per class section for most these are below the B average (3.0)</p>
<p>My son got directly admitted to both Bloomington and Indianapolis Kelley schools. The kicker is even though the requirements getting into Kelley at IUPUI are a little less. He will get into both the regular and Kelly Honors( with more scholarships) at IUPUI.</p>
<p>Additionally, the housing options at IUPUI are sooooo much nicer and you can live only with Kelley Honors kids if you want.</p>
<p>One more thing. I see on some these posts that people say that the IUB Kelley is much better. That’s not what the folks at Eli Lilly (I work there) , Dahmler etc say. They don’t differentiate. In fact Kelley is Kelley, one school, only at 2 locations. Just look at the placement rates. They are the same. Yet the better Internships are at IUPUI Kelley because of it’s urban location and daily mentor-ship with local business leaders.So people who say this, haven’t a clue or just need to do more homework.</p>
<p>So, my son could graduate, with Kelley Honors and an Indiana University Kelley degree (not differentiated) if he chooses to go to IUPUI. In the mean time he might completely dump a full ride from the Miller school at Ball State and a 24K scholarship with direct admit at Bloomington, in favor of this sterling opportunity at IUPUI Kelley. And save enough to study abroad and get an MBA. Kind of a no-brainer.</p>
<p>Look to see if your daughter can get a direct admit at IUPUI Kelley and go visit. You will be surprised!</p>
<p>If your son is interested in working and interning in Indianapolis and the state of Indiana, then yes, IUPUI is probably a very good option. If your son is interested in working or interning outside of the immediate midwest area (think: NYC, LA, DC), then Kelley at IUB is a better option. Many students don’t want to work in Indiana after graduation, and IUB does a great job with getting kids to the big national companies.</p>
<p>That makes sense. On the other side of the coin companies like Lilly are multinational and the opportunities are endless. But I agree with interviewing or interning at Bloomington could be more diverse. </p>
<p>However, the Kelley placement at IUPUI works with you to get in front of these people if you want. It’s an hour away and there is no preferential to Bloomington students because they are seeing all students for the first time there. You just have to be willing to drive the hour south to go through the process.</p>
<p>Here is the criteria for direct admission at IUPUI. When we called both schools to see why there was a difference between IUB and IUPUI requirements we got the exact same answer. They both said it was because of the number of applicants at IUB. But, the upper Sophomore and Junior level courses have the same rigor. Resulting in more kids (percentage wise) at IUPUI to reconsider their choice and change degrees. It ends up with the same caliber (on average) of student at the end.</p>
<p>Again. Same degree, rigor and reputation in the end. Just more assessable in the beginning.</p>
<p>Direct Admission Qualifications</p>
<p>Once you’ve been admitted to IUPUI, you may be directly admitted to Kelley Indianapolis if you meet the following criteria:</p>
<pre><code>Minimum SAT score of 1100 (500 math) or
Minimum ACT score of 24 (21 math)
Cumulative high school GPA of 3.2 (on a 4.0 scale)
Must declare business as your major on your IUPUI application
</code></pre>
<p>Yes, IUPUI is a lower-cost option to get you a Kelley degree if you are simply looking for an identical piece of paper that says you got a degree from KSOB. Lilly is not Goldman Sachs, PWC, Bain, Deloitte, etc. etc. if you’re looking to do high-level business consulting or want to work on Wall Street</p>
<p>That being said, IUPUI and IU do NOT offer the same Kelley experience, no matter what the statistics say. Not to say the IUPUI experience is bad, it is just different. Different strokes for different folks. IUPUI tends to be made up of a higher percentage of commuter students, IU has very few, if any. IUPUI tends to be more in-state, IU a more even mix. Both of those can mean something when it comes to your student’s networking options–I know many students who network through their peers and their peers’ parents, affording many more opportunities than just the Kelley CSO can offer. In addition, IUPUI doesn’t have the same professors as IU, nor do they have all of the opportunities that IU KSOB offers. IU has the Target competition for freshmen, for example. The list continues</p>
<p>As I said before, IUPUI KSOB isn’t bad, it’s just different</p>
<p>That makes sense about the networking. I guess it’s just a value and resource utilization proposition in the end. </p>
<p>Interesting point about the professors. IUPUI has Very few TA’s early on and they all report to the same Dean and have the same credentials. Seems to me that’s good.</p>
<p>How can they be “better” at IUB?</p>
<p>I looked up the Target Competition. It was created for and pertaining to diversity. When I looked at the pictures, there was no diversity. It would not be an option for my son.</p>
<p>Are there any other differences?</p>
<p>I really appreciate your perspectives. Thanks so much!</p>
<p>Diversity can’t always be identified by pictures. My son is president of the Kelley diversity group, but doesn’t look hispanic. It doesn’t make him less hispanic. Also I agree the opportunities at Bloomington is very different than at iupui.</p>
<p>Thanks. I just didn’t see any Scottish kids in the group. But that’s not my major point and it’s not a big deal.</p>
<p>I am just trying to find out what the real differences between the schools are if someone could share please. The Target Competition for us is not a difference, nor does it apply.</p>
<p>Thanks so much!</p>
<p>Goodkidsdad, the Target competition has nothing to do with diversity. It’s a mandatory part of the freshman-level X204 ([Target</a> Case Competition: Communication, Professional, & Computer Skills : Kelley School of Business: Indiana University](<a href=“Communication, Professional & Computer Skills | Communication, Professional & Computer Skills | Indiana Kelley”>Communication, Professional & Computer Skills | Communication, Professional & Computer Skills | Indiana Kelley))</p>
<p>In terms of the other things you mentioned, IUPUI and IUB are different in several other ways:</p>
<p>-IUPUI I-core is only 12 credits, IUB I-core is 14
-IUPUI Kelley Honors minimum GPA is only a 3.3, IUB Kelley Honors minimum GPA is a 3.7
-As of the last time I checked, IUB Kelley will NOT accept any 300 or 400 level transfer classes from IUPUI
-Many of the I-core prereqs at IUPUI only require a D-, and 42% of IUPUI students didn’t even get that</p>
<p>Thanks so much. This is what I found when I looked for it. It must be a separate thing.</p>
<p>[Students</a> from 15 universities compete in Midwest Diversity Case Competition at IU’s Kelley School: IU News Room: Indiana University](<a href=“Students from 15 universities compete in Midwest Diversity Case Competition at IU's Kelley School: IU News Room: Indiana University”>Students from 15 universities compete in Midwest Diversity Case Competition at IU's Kelley School: IU News Room: Indiana University)</p>
<p>I REALLY appreciate the help, Any other differences?</p>
<p>This is Great soccergurl7988. Now I need to determine how much those differences matter. Like I said before, my son got a direct admit to both places and the maximum initial freshman scholarship to both. </p>
<p>What was interesting is that the 42% fail rate in the more rigorous prerequisite classes at IUPUI is exactly what I posted before and exactly what the counselors spoke to. IUB more restrictive early. IUPUI higher percentage of washouts later. It’s all coming together.</p>
<p>Thanks for your help. I will take this to both admissions departments to see what they say. You have been a great resource and really helpful.</p>
<p>I’m not sure if IUPUI KSOB offers a number of the case study competitions that IUB does; I know in the past IUB has had KPMG, Deloitte, etc. sponsor case study competitions on campus. </p>
<p>I know you mention that IUPUI students can drive down to IUB to meet with recruiters, but this is an example of what I mean about how more high-powered companies recruit heavily at IUB and not at all at IUPUI. This is the schedule for Deloitte in 2013 for consulting:
Thursday, September 19, 2013
Industry Day
12:30 – 4:00pm EST
Location: UCSO</p>
<p>Thursday, September 19, 2013
Informatics Career Fair
11:00am – 4:00pm EST
Location: Bloomington Convention Center</p>
<p>Thursday, September 19, 2013
Deloitte Consulting Information Session
8:00pm – 9:30pm EST
Location: BU 219</p>
<p>Friday, September 20, 2013
Career Fair
11:00am – 3:00pm EST
Location: Bloomington Convention Center</p>
<p>Thursday, September 26, 2013
Deloitte Consulting Resume Drop Date
Technology, Strategy & Operations and Human Capital (all positions)</p>
<p>Friday, September 27, 2013
Case Interview Workshop
1:00pm – 5:00pm EST
Location: BU 219</p>
<p>Thursday, October 10, 2013
Round 1 On-Campus Interviews
Location: UCSO
Technology – Fulltime, Junior and Sophomore Summer Scholar
Strategy & Operations – Fulltime and Junior Summer Scholar</p>
<p>Friday, October 11, 2013
Round 2 On-Campus Interviews
Location: UCSO
Technology – Fulltime, Junior and Sophomore Summer Scholar
Strategy & Operations – Fulltime and Junior Summer Scholar</p>
<p>Friday, October 11, 2013
Round 1 On-Campus Interviews
Location: UCSO
Human Capital – Fulltime</p>
<p>Saturday, October 26, 2013
Underclassmen Leadership Conference
10:00am – 2:00pm EST
Location: CG 0036</p>
<p>Do you think your normal IUPUI student is going to be able to drive down to IUB for all/most of those events?</p>
<p>IUPUI Kelley students are not allowed to use the career services office at Bloomington. They are not permitted to do interviews on the Bloomington campus through the USCO. The last I checked, a student had to be taking at least nine credits on the Bloomington campus to use Kelley Bloomington’s career office. Also, IU Kelley students may not use the IUPUI career office.</p>
<p>IUPUI’s housing is much newer than Bloomington’s, but IUPUI’s housing is dominated by foreign grad students (IU has a medical school and many other post-grad programs), many of which have families. All 7000+ IU freshman, on the other hand, live on campus, except for the few whose parents live within 25 miles of campus. The IUPUI housing is about one mile from the building that has most business classes. A lot of IU housing is that far away from Kelley, but IU has a good bus system and is safe enough to ride bikes on campus; IUPUI has a poor bus system and and bordered by high-crime neigborhoods to its west and northeast. Drive the IU campus at night and you see hundreds of students in groups; drive the IUPUI campus at night and you see lone individuals walking to their vehicles. Same with the library; IUPUI at night is a few individuals studying alone, Wells Library at night is alive with students studying in groups.</p>
<p>Where are the job placement statistics for IUPUI Kelley grads? I would be shocked if they are available anywhere on the internet.</p>
<p>Soccurgirl is correct that Kelley Bloomington will not accept upper-level business classes from IUPUI.</p>
<p>You can’t compare the academic quality of IUPUI and IU students. IUPUI is a commuter school with few high achieving students. A self-report about their mission and student body was published ten years ago, and no doubt still applies today:</p>
<p>“IUPUI"s students and campus environment bear scant resemblance to traditional paradigms of higher education. We are a commuter institution serving largely working, first-generation, financial aid-eligible students in a state ranked 50th in the proportion of adults over age 25 with college degrees. Many students arrive on campus without any clear sense of what to expect from college. While admission and enrollment statistics show that our beginning students” preparation for college is rapidly improving, more than half of entering freshmen in Fall 2001 and slightly less than half in Fall 2002 were “conditional admits.” That is, they were considered under-prepared for college-level work by virtue of class rank, SAT/ACT scores, or high-school coursework. Moreover, most students are extensively engaged in pursuits other than college study; a majority work 30 or more hours a week, for example, and many have family and community commitments outside school."
[Focuses</a> of Self Study : IUPUI Institutional Portfolio](<a href=“http://iport.iupui.edu/selfstudy/TL/Focusesofselfstudy/]Focuses”>http://iport.iupui.edu/selfstudy/TL/Focusesofselfstudy/)</p>
<p>You want you son to be around the brightest students and teachers possible. 14% of IUPUI students scored 600+ on the SAT reading section, compared to 36% at Bloomington. ACT composite score of 24+ was 35% at IUPUI and 80% at IU Bloomington per the latest common data sets.</p>
<p>Thanks for your post. I agree about the difference between the 2. My son scored a 640 (2100 total) , 32 ACT and carried a 3.9 (unweighted) at a top 5 high school. Due to his A/P, and dual credit etc he will have about 24 credits before we pay a dime of tuition. So, he would do well at either location.</p>
<p>I graduated from IUB, not near the top of the class or anything, so there was no benefit for me. I also had to get a good portion of my education at IPFW in Ft Wayne. It actually took over 5 years for undergrad because I put myself through. I got my MBA while working full time 10 years later. I admire and understand the people who go back to school and do what they have to do to get their degree. In fact, I would prefer a gritty B+ student next to me on a sales call or negotiation more than some of the “brightest students”. </p>
<p>I want him to be the best he can be and not in a pressure cooker with cut-throats trying to get a spot at a place like Deloite. </p>
<p>There seems to be a smack of elitism with some of these posts. Specifically, inferring that folks going back to school or bettering their families are a notch below. Maybe its the opposite.</p>
<p>Thanks again for your post and perspective. You have helped a lot.</p>
<p>I did find a very brief career services report from IUPUI Kelley from 2007. It states the average age of the Kelley ugrad graduates for that year is 26.5; this is a lot higher than IUB. I think a lot of firms want very young students that they can mold to fit their company culture. These days, too, extracurricular activities are very important to recruiters. They want demonstrated leadership ability from their new hires, and non-traditional students like your son would likely be surrounded by at IUPUI often don’t have the time for EC’s since they are likely to be commuters, already working nearly full time, and often are already married. </p>
<p>National firms, based on the report IUPUI report, don’t hire nearly as many at IUPUI compared to IUB. The top hiring firm hired only six IUPUI seniors. All the firms listed had Indianapolis facilities. No accounting firm hired more than five students. This past year, Ernst & Young and PwC alone hired 83 IUB undergrads. Your son would no doubt be very successful at either school, but I think he would be more challenged, have a better overall experience, and get better employment opportunities at IUB. </p>
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