<p>Courtney... your high marks in high school were then obviously due to hard work and not pure intelligence. The point of the SAT is to measure intelligence, not hard work. Stop complaining.</p>
<p>I was not changing my argument about it being bias against girls. I just did not mention in my previous post. And for one, the test is made by a group of guys, how could it not be bias against women. Psychologically, I believe that men and women think differently, so I see that the SAT would be easier for a guy then opposed to a woman.</p>
<p>And it is very possible to have a high gpa and not do well on the SAT. As I mentioned before, prime example, my sister. Graduated 4th in her class, with a gpa over a 4.0, straight A student, at a very competitive school, did not do that great on the SATs, but she still went ahead to a great school, and now makes 60K a year. That test did not do anything for her, and I think her scores had nothing to do with her ability to excel so why should colleges weigh so heavily on it? If someone has the ability to excel in school, then why should a test say otherwise?</p>
<p>Hard work? Of course I worked hard. What student flies by in school without working hard. And anyways, the test is not suppose to measure your intelligence, and even the makers of the test will tell you that.</p>
<p>Many kids make the opposite argument and ask why not-very-intelligent students get into great schools just because they did homework in high shool.</p>
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I was not changing my argument about it being bias against girls. I just did not mention in my previous post. And for one, the test is made by a group of guys, how could it not be bias against women. Psychologically, I believe that men and women think differently, so I see that the SAT would be easier for a guy then opposed to a woman.
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<p>Then wouldn't guys get screwed over whenever they're in a class taught by a woman? I would bet that you sister didn't study for the SAT very much. The SATs are quite easy to prep for (I improved from 1600 to 2010) if you take the time to study for it like you would for math or english test.</p>
<p>"And for one, the test is made by a group of guys, how could it not be bias against women. Psychologically, I believe that men and women think differently, so I see that the SAT would be easier for a guy then opposed to a woman."</p>
<p>The SAT is designed to be difficult, not easy. Wouldn't it make it easier for a girl who could see past the supposed "trick questions" that were designed to exploit flaws in (male) thinking?</p>
<p>Also, you didn't answer my previous question. If the SATs are gender biased, then why isn't there a large discrepency in scores between genders?</p>
<p>Girls tend to score slightly lower on math and slightly higher on writing, but all within statistically relevant score ranges. Scoring on average 6 points less than someone else really won't make a difference in college admission.</p>
<p>"Hard work? Of course I worked hard. What student flies by in school without working hard. And anyways, the test is not suppose to measure your intelligence, and even the makers of the test will tell you that."</p>
<p>I flew by... but my high school was very easy. And actually, the SAT was designed to measure intelligence.</p>
<p>In my opinion, engineering admissions is gender biased. Girls have higher admission rates than boys. Coincedence? I think not.</p>
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<p>This is exactly why girls perform better in high school. They've done studies that show how boys and girls think differently about their grades (and before you rant about that study being biased, there are more female psychologists than male ones). Girls are much more likely to consider their grades as a reflection of their self abilities, so they work much harder and do all the busywork that high schools assign. This does not mean that the SAT is biased towards girls, but rather that it measures intelligence and quick thinking rather than hard work. If you and your sister both scored low, perhaps you should draw other conclusions instead of claiming that the test is biased against you.</p>
<p>What is intelligence? I don't understand what that word means.</p>
<p>For one, on a personal level, I could never compare tests made by a woman or a male in a scholastic setting like school because I do not take reasoning tests given to me to test on material. The majority of the tests I take are either subjective or objective, not reasoning. I am talking in the matter of reasoning tests, and the difference of a male and female's reasoning skills.</p>
<p>Actually, females score lower than males in both sections except for verbal there is a smaller gap. Regardless, the test clearly undermines a woman's ability.</p>
<p>And my sister took an 8-week class at the University of Pittsburgh to help her prepare, and it resulted in a little bit of a point increase but not a drastic one.</p>
<p>Where does it say it's designed to measure intelligence? The test is suppose to measure how a student will do in their first-year of college.</p>
<p>Ok where does it say anywhere that this test is to measure intelligence? Honestly, the point of it is not to measure how smart you are so why do people keep thinking that? It's suppose to be a reflection on how you will do in college, and that's it, but it does a poor job at reflecting that.</p>
<p>Oh, Courtney, Courtney, Courtney. </p>
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Don't listen to these fools, Courtney. I believe you. I also feel that the SAT is biased even though I'm not capable of providing any justification for that hefty claim. And who doesn't know at least one stupid guy that isn't really stupid, just "a bad test taker"? People like you make me very, very happy.
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Maybe it's the cold season, but perhaps you didn't notice that this post was reeking of sarcasm. I'm sorry you thought he sincerely believed you.</p>
<p>Because he didn't.</p>
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<p>No test can "measure" performance in college other than college exams themselves. The SAT test is designed to PREDICT college performance based on correlation between SAT scores and college GPAs. High school GPA and SAT scores combined correlate most strongly with college GPA, while high school GPA alone correlates less strongly, and SAT scores alone correlate even less. Just because someone scored low on the SAT and got a high college GPA doesn't mean the SAT is flawed. For every one of those people, I can find another who did worse than expected, even with great high school grades.</p>
<p>Besides which, the unsubstantiated claim of SAT bias against females is exactly why the College Board added writing sections to the PSAT and then the SAT, since girls statistically outperform boys in writing. Should I then conclude that the writing section is biased against boys and whine that boys shouldn't be expected to demonstrate their writing skills? Should I demand that the College Board produce a writing section that guarantees that boys and girls will have the exact same distribution of scores? Math and verbal skills are expected equally of everyone.</p>
<p>The majority of high school teachers are women. Should I logically conclude that high school grades are unfairly biased against boys because after all, there's no other logical explanation for girls getting higher grades, it just makes sense!</p>
<p>Can you actually show any evidence? What makes a question biased? Can you actually identify which qualities of questions make it baised against Women?</p>
<p>I think by your logic, you might say that most buildings, bridges, and roads are more suitable for men because construction workers are mostly men.</p>
<p>...and similarly, I guess the SAT is biased against West Coast people since its made by a bunch of people on the East coast.</p>
<p>I caught the sarcasm, and regardless I don't care if he is able to justify himself or not, just satisfied that he agreed nonetheless.</p>
<p>And I'm definitely sure I'm not the only person who is complaining. There has been lawsuits against College Board claiming that the test is gender-bias. One lawsuit did cause College Board to implement a writing section, like im_blue mentioned, because the group felt that males had an unfair advantage to the PSAT merit scholarship.</p>
<p>So if SAT scores correlate even less than high school GPAs with college GPAs then why do a lot of colleges weigh more heavily on it?</p>
<p>Like I said it before, women think differently than men, which would coincide with the aspect of speed on the test. Females are more likely to work through a problem and check their answers. Also studies have shown when you remove the time aspect of the test, females scores' jump remarkably higher. There is also the guessing aspect of the test too. Males are more likely to make guesses while girls are not.</p>
<p>The point is not whether or not he was able to justify himself. Do you really want me to spell it out for you?</p>
<p>"I also feel that the SAT is biased even though I'm not capable of providing any justification for that hefty claim. Well, actually, I don't feel this way. I was just trying to point out how flawed your argument was. I was using humor and sarcasm as a way of putting this across. You see, it's funny. The claim that the SAT is biased is so ridiculous that me believing in that sort of thing is funny."</p>
<p>There, I explained it to the best of my abilities. I explained it so well that maybe even a girl can figure it out.</p>
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Like I said it before, women think differently than men, which would coincide with the aspect of speed on the test. Females are more likely to work through a problem and check their answers. Also studies have shown when you remove the time aspect of the test, females scores' jump remarkably higher. There is also the guessing aspect of the test too. Males are more likely to make guesses while girls are not.
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<p>Wow, that was nice. Where'd you get the information, straight out of your ass? Show me some statistical evidence and I'll shut up; until then, I suggest you do so.</p>
<p>Courtney. Basically, what you are saying, is that males make better engineers? Why are you in engineering if you can't even do reasoning problems?</p>
<p>Last time I checked there was a written, verbal, and math component. This measures all parts of one's brain. If you sucked at it, you have only yourself to blame. Stop making excuses for your bad scores. It's pathetic, and it's getting irritating. You aren't Ivy material, get over it.</p>
<p>Out of my ass...ok...obviously you never heard of a 1989 study by Phyllis Rosser, entitled "The SAT Gender Gap: Identifying the Causes". My evidence came from there. A quite interesting study actually.</p>
<p>I want to do engineering for the hands on building aspect. I like to build computers and would be very interested in learning about their parts and how to build the individual pieces of it. And I never said I totally outright can't do reasoning problems, but I will not lie when I say I do have trouble with it. Why do you think there are less women engineers than males?</p>
<p>What makes a person Ivy material or not and how can you judge that? And I'm not making excuses for my scores. Yeah, they are not that great, but I know a handful of people that did worse. I had this opinion on the SAT before I even took it, so either way, I'm glad I could irritate you with my propositions. :)</p>