<p>So today I received a letter from the college of arts and sciences from McGill saying I have been rejected. I was upset, but I am confused on my admissions to the school of music (where I really want to go). Can I still be accepted to the university through music even though I was rejected by arts and sciences!?!? PLEASE HELP!!!! OH and how competitive is admissions for flutes? Any help would be great!!!!!!!!!!!</p>
<p>You should probably contact McGill directly. My d is very interested in McGill as well, so we've been looking at the website. Did you apply to the Schulich School of Music, for a BM? If you applied for a B.A., then that would be in Arts and Sciences, not an applied music degree. Will you audition at Schulich? At McGill, you apply for which ever "faculty" (school) you want, and you have to be accepted at the faculty for your program. For example, the school of music does not require test scores, but the other faculties all do. My impression is that the Schulich School of Music is very competitive for performance. If you apply for music ed, then you have to apply to the faculty of education as well as music, since it is a double degree program in education and music (5years). Auditions will be held from Saturday, February 21 to Sunday, March 1, 2009, for Schulich. Or, did you send a recording (by 2/15)? It doesn't seem that flute requires a pre-screen, unless you are trying for jazz flute. Perhaps your application went to the wrong faculty?</p>
<p>I agree with sopranomom92 that you should check with the school in question.</p>
<p>Some universities with a conservatory inside it require you to be accepted into both the music school as well as the larger uni. Others only require you to be accepted at the music school.</p>
<p>Thank you sopranomom92! You have been a big help, and I will contact McGill. It is my first choice. I applied to the school of music in music performance for by B.A. I live in California, so I sent in a DVD. Well the thing about where I applied is I applied to arts and sciences AND music performance because when I went on Minerva, It said I was denied from arts and sciences and my music application was ready for review. It seems Like I still have a chance to get in through my music. I was wondering if you are accepted into the flute faculty and then a specific studio, or do they place you in studios after you get there?</p>
<p>Good luck! We're in California also, and my d (currently a junior) is thinking McGill as first choice also (for the culture and French language as well as great music). I have no idea about how they assign studios. Be aware that the degree from the school of music is BM not BA, so that's where the confusion may lie. Keep us posted, and if you end up there, we'd love to hear about your experience. We know of one student from soCal (engineering student) who absolutely loves McGill.</p>
<p>You can be accepted into Schulich and rejected at the school of arts and sciences...were you trying for a double degree program?</p>
<p>Are you certain you applied for a BA in Music Performance? I may be wrong, but I do not believe McGill offers such a degree. You may have applied for a BM in Music Performance. While McGill states on its website performance majors must have a minimum average of 70%, it usually has a much higher bar. Minerva may state that you are "refused" but that your audition is pending or under review. My daughter sent a prescreen for VP. She is "refused" but on her Minerva application her February audition is "pending". It doesn't mean she has a chance - it just hasn't been updated. Her grades ("marks" in Canada) are on the low end. She most definitely could have made a better prescreen CD, but I doubt it would have helped. I know she is qualified vocally, as we know current students and past auditionees - she is very much where she needs to be. The frustrating thing about McGill is there is not a voice on the other end of the line. I doubt we will ever find out precisely why she was refused. We have a friend who teaches in the woodwind department - he tells us the red tape at McGill is a nightmare. He has been trying to get them to change his e-mail address for ages, with no success. He was not impressed with the lack of communication we've dealt with.
Maybe you'll have better luck.</p>
<p>I think it is rare for an auditioner to ask or be told why they didn't pass the pre-screen. The reason is usually self-explanatory: that there were other students whose CDs the adjudicators found more promising. It doesn't mean that said student won't find success at a number of other schools.</p>
<p>Thanks again sopranomom92! I will keep in touch! As for ABlestMom, I would have liked to be part of the double degree program, but my number one choice is music. So again, I can still be accepted to the university? oldviola, I am a little confused on BA and BM. I applied to the school of music as an undergraduate. I could not audition live so I sent in a tape. It was not a prescreening DVD it was my actual audition. It is a good DVD. I played prokofiev and debussy and Bach. I was not refused from the music section. On minerva it has two applications. One for art and sciences and the other for music. The one from arts I was rejected but for music it says pending review. I do hope your daughter finds the right place for her! I still am unsure if I still have a chance for Mcgill!?!?!</p>
<p>Ilovetheflute did you apply for two separate programs at McGill? A BM in Music Performance and a BA in Arts and Sciences? I do understand your DVD was your actual audition, as flute does not require a prescreen.
Allmusic, my sense is that the focus of this thread is to what extent the academic record weighs in on acceptance to a university music program, admission cut-offs notwithstanding. From another thread it is clear that Ilovetheflute was acceptable to the music department of NU, but not to the university itself based on the academic record. We know several strong students with excellent grades who were not accepted to McGill for Arts and Sciences. It is a tough admit! When my daughter finally received a letter from McGill it stated that the number of vacancies was very limited and that This assessment of your current application materials is in no way a reflection on your potential as a student in the Schulich School of Music. Was it the CD, the grades or both? I dont think it is self-explanatory, and I think a university will have different criterion than a conservatory. In addition, each university will have a different methodology. For example, the University of Toronto looks at the academic record AFTER the audition, and the Faculty of Music does have some influence in the decision. At other schools an applicant will be rejected before a single note is heard.
The OP is trying to decipher an outcome based on an online application and is clearly confused and concerned. It would seem contacting McGill is in order, but that is easier said than done. We have friends whose daughter will be auditioning for piano (has excellent grades and made it past the prescreen) the mother plans to write a letter when the process is over as she has found it so frustrating to communicate with the school.</p>
<p>oldviola - it seems that I did apply to both. The reason I applied was I exceeded MOST of the requirements they had for arts and sciences. My grades, my courses etc (not all the sections for my ACT- my reading and english subscore was a 32 but I simply did not score very high in math and science). I got the impression that is was not as difficult to get into academically, and the music school is great. I did not want to go to a music conservatory, but a school of music (for diversity)</p>
<p>Just guessing - it sounds like everything is fine for your BM application for the School of Music. They haven't even had the live auditions yet for flute, and Minerva states your application is "pending review". Sounds good. If you go for the BM you will still be taking academics at a major university. Good luck!</p>
<p>That's great! Thank you so much oldviola!</p>
<p>McGill is one of Canada's top schools; it is highly selective, and its academic program is challenging -- the downsides I've seen described in CC are that it is an underfunded large public institution, with large classes, tough grading, and you have to make an effort to get to know professors. Admission is almost entirely stats based, there is not the same emphasis on extracurricular activities, or even consideration of them. The online application is very easy to complete, but admission is a challenge even for someone with top scores. For music, which has separate set of criteria for admission, one difficulty in applying is that they have no regional auditions; the option if you pass the screening and don't want to fly to Montreal in the dead of winter for a 10 minute audition, is to send a DVD. McGill Schulich School has strong academics in music history and theory, as well as performance.
It's important to get counseling help and really investigate schools during the application process, so you minimize surprises about your admissions results.</p>
<p>I agree it is important for students to get counseling help. But even on their own, they should not be picking colleges simply by which schools offer a good program in their area of interest. I see this a lot and these students are disregarding examining any of the admissions criteria for acceptance into the university overall. I have had many students say that they want to apply to X very selective college because it is good in theater, for example, but they do not have the academic stats to get into the school and they still think they can get in but they absolutely would never get in no matter how talented. It is so crucial to build a BALANCED college list that is REALISTIC for one's academic profile (vis a vis the published stats of admitted students to each college) and one's artistic talents and apply to a range of both academic and artistically selective schools but ones that are remotely in the student's ballpark both academically and artistically. The artistic component is just one (albeit an important one) aspect of the admission process to a university for an arts degree program (not counting stand alone conservatories).</p>
<p>It seems to me that McGill does have a seperate admission process for music. I called and they said that I can still be admitted THROUGH music. I cannot go for a live audition, but I hope my DVD is strong enough. Does anyone know about McGill flute competition for admissions????</p>