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<p>“despite the fact that Cornell has a much higher peer assessment score and Cornell outranks NU in pretty much every ranking out there.”</p>

<p>The PA score is one thing, but claiming that because Cornell is ranked above NU in “pretty much every ranking out there” (what are these mythical rankings by the way?) is not a good argument. If people are talking about US News, then you should use US News information to back your claims.</p>

<p>So tell me, how can you see Brown being ranked higher on US News, but not Northwestern, If both have the same PA? What merits Brown gaining rank but not Northwestern- other than the fact that you personally don't seem to have much faith in a Northwestern education?</p>

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<p>ok, then tell me why you think NU should be 'ranked' higher than Cornell. I mention the dozens of rankings out there because they are all consistent in putting Cornell above NU - my argument would be different if the results were mixed (I'm not going to go through every ranking out there and posting it just to prove my point - you can do the job of finding one where NU is ahead of Cornell). </p>

<p>And for the love of god, please avoid the "NU had 82% of students in top 10% of the class while Cornell had 81% ... so NU clearly has a stronger incomming class". That argument came up before, i disagreed and was called a blind retard for saying that those numbers really don't indicate much of a difference at all.</p>

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<p>I haven't claimed that Northwestern should be ranked above Cornell- personally I respect a grouped ranking more than a direct, hierarchical one- a rank that would have Northwestern and Cornell ranked together. I just think it funny that you would say that Brown could be ranked above Cornell and not NU, that is, without providing a reason why.</p>

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<p>Is it possible that colleges are complex entities like people, and they are very difficult to rank precisely? Like if you had to spend a year on a desert island with someone, and you were given a choice of Jessica Alba, Penelope Cruz, and Rachel McAdams, it would be impossible to give a definitive ranking of #1, #2, #3. Yeah, you could say with some certainty that each would be preferable to, um, Kathy Griffin or Rosie O'Donnell, but to say it's definitely 1. Cruz, 2. McAdams, and 3.Alba would be sort of pointless. I think the same principle applies to splitting hairs between top-notch schools like Cornell, Northwestern, and Hopkins.</p>

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<p>my 2 cents:</p>

<p>Evanston/Chicago > Ithaca
Big Ten athletics > Ivy League ball
NU suicide rate < Cornell suicide rate
NU avg SAT score > Cornell avg SAT score
NU engineering > Cornell engineering
NU undergrad A&S programs > Cornell's
NU graduate schools > Cornell's</p>

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<p>Northwestern isn't even close to Cornell on the graduate level (including engineering). Other universities like Brown, Penn, Duke, and JHU aren't either, for that matter.</p>

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<p>Not even close?</p>

<p>Bussiness: Kellogg #1 (Bussiness Week)
Medicine: NU-Feinberg #20, Cornell-Weill #17 (US News)
Law: NU #12, Cornell #13 (US News)
Journalism: Medill
Engineering: Cornell 11, NU 21</p>

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<p>Professional schools ≠ Graduate schools</p>

<p>If you're going to talk about professional schools, be sure to include Cornell's #1 vet school. :)</p>

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<p>gomestar, last 3 yrs, Northwestern ranked higher on us news, and NU has a higher selectivity rank than does cornell still</p>

<p>wall street journal ranking, w/ grad schools</p>

<p>Cornell 25
NU 21</p>

<p>Yale law school - 7 from Cornell
-7 from NU and Cornell is 1.5 x bigger</p>

<p>Brody Admissions
<a href="http://brodyadmissions.com/college/resources/college_rankings.php%5B/url%5D"&gt;http://brodyadmissions.com/college/resources/college_rankings.php&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p>

<p>Cornell 17
NU 16</p>

<p>Thus, i dont know what rankings you are talking about quite frankly</p>

<p>yes, in the world, cornell is ranked higher, but so is UC San Francisco</p>

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<p>I guess they're "you're 2 cents" and should remain yours:</p>

<p>Evanston/Chicago > Ithaca - too subjective to be taken into consideration
Big Ten athletics > Ivy League ball - not academics based
NU suicide rate < Cornell suicide rate - i have Cornell's numbers (4.5 students per 100,000) please provide NU's.
NU avg SAT score > Cornell avg SAT score - nope, they're too close to declare a stronger student body.<br>
NU engineering > Cornell engineering - rankings say otherwise
NU undergrad A&S programs > Cornell's - how? again, please provide some evidence.<br>
NU graduate schools > Cornell's - i don't think so. Please provide some evidence, again. </p>

<p>I don't know where you guys come from, but at my HS, NU has usually been considered an ivy leauge safety ... i don't necessarily agree with this but it's the general perception from where I live on the east coast. I know i'll probably have to take some **** for saying that, but it wasn't until coming to CC that I realized that NU was actually a good school. The same seems true when I talk to my friends who are in Los Angeles (I used to live there as well)</p>

<p>and please, the brody rankings even says their system is highly flawed on many levels.</p>

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<p>where i am from, Cornell is a JOKE, 18-20 kids from high schools in my area go to cornell, 3 of the schools are state subsidized, plz...don't talk about safeties for ivies, cornell is an ivy safety for other ivies</p>

<p>Cornell, is 1290-1480 collegeboard.com
Northwestern, 1320-1500, arguably a better student body</p>

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<p>and speaking of rankings, Northwestern HAS been ranked higher than Cornell in the last 4 yrs by US News, this is the first yr cornell has outranked Northwestern</p>

<p>plz provide any other ranking that ranks Cornell higher than NU, except for world rankings</p>

<p>by any subjective measure, cornell is outranked by NU</p>

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<p>I think it is pretty safe to say that Evanston/Chicago is much more interesting and fun than Ithaca.</p>

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<p>man this debate is silly. it's like when people were trying to determine whether northwestern was better than chicago. It's pointless to even try because there are so many factors that go into an education and if you really want to compare schools, it ultimately needs to be done on a program by program basis. you'll get an amazing education at either. </p>

<p>And to argue about which is ranked higher by USNews is pointless as well, especially when the difference in position is one or two spots. </p>

<p>End point: Cornell and Northwestern are seen as safeties for HYP by stupid high school students that don't know any better. If you don't believe me, go to the "What are my chances" threads and look for some top-notch students.</p>

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<p>"here i am from, Cornell is a JOKE, 18-20 kids from high schools in my area go to cornell"</p>

<p>where are you from? I can see NU having some regional bias, but other than that you're probably just trying to make stuff up. The only schools that really send that many students to Cornell are the powerhouses in long island, and I know they don't share the same sentiment about NU. Besides, they also send an unusually high # of students to the other ivy's as well. </p>

<p>"3 of the schools are state subsidized"</p>

<p>yes, hence a higher endowment for Cornell and more money allocated for new buildings and student research. Advantage: Cornell. </p>

<p>"this is the first yr cornell has outranked Northwestern"</p>

<p>rightly so. </p>

<p>"plz provide any other ranking that ranks Cornell higher than NU"</p>

<p>US news (most importantly the PR score being the tell-tale number), washington monthly something (the published US rankings), and all world rankings. How come you say "except for world rankings"??? OH yeah, NU doesn't have much international prestige so of course Cornell would win that. </p>

<p>"by any subjective measure, cornell is outranked by NU"</p>

<p>so you think that ranking by subjective measures is the way to go?</p>

<p>"Cornell, is 1290-1480 collegeboard.com
Northwestern, 1320-1500, arguably a better student body"</p>

<p>yes, a 20 point difference is arguably a better student body. Give me a break. Maybe a 50-60 point difference, but not 20. Sorry!!! Most students at either school could probably re-take the SATs and score 20 points different. Besides, if you want to argue with things like that, the SAT average for Cornell arts and sciences is around 1340-1530 and for engineering it was listed as 1340-1550 *(these numbers were on the Cornell website) - when comparing apples to apples, Cornell would be "arguably better." But, I won't go there, I dont think it's true (unless going by your gifted logic).</p>

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<p>"I think it is pretty safe to say that Evanston/Chicago is much more interesting and fun than Ithaca"</p>

<p>yes, and accordingly many NU students decide to leave campus to have fun. Not everybody would enjoy that as their 'college experience'. Chicago is a big city while Ithaca is a collegetown - big differences between the two.</p>

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<p>"yes, hence a higher endowment for Cornell and more money allocated for new buildings and student research. Advantage: Cornell."</p>

<p>Cornell Endowment: 4.1 billion/13,500 undergrads
Northwestern Endowment: 5.9 billion/8,000 undergrads.</p>

<p>Advantage: Northwestern.</p>

<p>(Source: Wikipedia)</p>

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<p>Underrated: TourGuide's ability to start a block party with his accordion.</p>

<p>Overrated: TourGuide's brief stint as one of the "Celtic Women" playing the accordion.</p>

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<p>excuse me, the state funds don't go into endowment. I appoligize for the mix up. The funds are usually just spent for research. </p>

<p>Also, Cornell is in the middle of a $4b fundraising campaign. NU is not. Cornell's endowment will exceed NU's soon if not already.</p>

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<p><a href="http://dpb.cornell.edu/documents/1000375.pdf%5B/url%5D"&gt;http://dpb.cornell.edu/documents/1000375.pdf&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p>

<p>Cornell as a total</p>

<p>700-800 for critical reading, 38 percent
700-800 for math, 59 percent</p>

<p>if cornell is soooo impressive, why can't it even get a student body that is even somewhat close to its next ivy peer, Upenn</p>

<p>last time, i checked, no other ivy has a student body that w. a stat that is even lower than 50 percent for students from 700-800 for verbal</p>

<p>for Northwestern
700-800 for verbal, 53 percent
700-800 for math, 63 percent</p>

<p>i would say that it is SAFE to say that NU has a BETTER student body, don't even go there</p>

<p>as far as ur arts/sci argument ur full of it once again</p>

<p><a href="http://dpb.cornell.edu/documents/1000175.pdf%5B/url%5D"&gt;http://dpb.cornell.edu/documents/1000175.pdf&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p>

<p>for endowed schools, thats with primarily, around 85 percent of it, just includes a/s and engineering, where sats are typically the highest of any schools within any university</p>

<p>630-730 for Verbal
680-780 for math</p>

<p>there u go, 1310-1510, THUS, ur argument that Cornell has higher SATs for just these schools is full of it once again
<a href="http://dpb.cornell.edu/documents/1000175.pdf%5B/url%5D"&gt;http://dpb.cornell.edu/documents/1000175.pdf&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p>

<p>lastly, Cornell A/S by itself 1310-1510, again ur full of it</p>

<p><a href="http://dpb.cornell.edu/documents/1000176.pdf%5B/url%5D"&gt;http://dpb.cornell.edu/documents/1000176.pdf&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p>