Musical Theatre vs. Acting; how do you choose??

<p>Okay, first let me just say that I am having a slight meltdown tonight due to the stress of my junior year of high school, filling out scholarships, work, rehearsal, and audition material gathering. Ugh.</p>

<p>Secondly, long story short, I've wanted to major in musical theatre either in/near LA, Chicago, Boston, or NYC for as long as I can remember. But now I'm rethinking if my dancing and even my singing abilities are good enough to get me into a strong program. I know my acting skills are my strongest suit and so I'm wondering if I should just go for acting (I love to perform both on stage and in front of the camera). But I don't want to give up singing. I also would like to take on a second major in a more practical field so that I have a back-up plan, but is it easier to double major with a musical theatre degree or an acting degree? I've heard MT is just harder all around -- harder to get into, harder to do outside activities, etc. Is this true?</p>

<p>I don't really have one specific question, more of just confusion on the whole subject, so if anyone just has advice on choosing between musical theatre and straight acting, or if anyone would like to give me a little self-esteem/stress-relieving boost that would also be great :)</p>

<p>My list of colleges right now include:
Syracuse
University of Buffalo
Chapman
USC
Ithaca
Millikin
Emerson
Pace
UC Irvine
Depaul
University of South Dakota (back-up school)</p>

<p>Thanks so much!</p>

<p>You might try doing a search of the discussion threads to read about these topics that have already been discussed at length here: acting vs. MT, double majoring. You will find many differing opinions, but here is my condensed version.</p>

<p>It is difficult to double-major in a BFA MT program. It can be somewhat easier with an acting BFA. The problem is that it can be difficult to fit in other classes around the required courses in your major. It is possible at certain schools. But I can tell you that my D graduated from the BFA MT at Syracuse, and she could never have done a double major in 4 years – it probably would have taken her an extra year.</p>

<p>Regarding acting vs. MT: I would suggest that at this point you continue vocal and dance training to hone your musical skills, and apply for the MT degree. Many schools, including Syracuse, will also consider you for an acting degree if your vocal/dance skills are not up to their standards.</p>

<p>If you are an MT student, you will still get very good acting training at many schools. Using Syracuse as an example again, MT students audition for and are regularly cast in non-musicals. However, if you are an acting student, you may get more acting training, but you will get no musical training at all, and will have difficulty competing with MT students for musical roles. If you like to sing and are good at it, I would recommend sticking with your MT plan.</p>

<p>I can only speak for my experiences here at Ball State University…</p>

<p>I am a musical theatre major and I take many courses alongside the acting majors. We are essentially a close knit family when it comes to our curriculum.
All in all,
MT’s have more music based courses, and Acting majors have more movement based courses.
The primary focus of training at BSU is, in fact, acting…so, we are using our acting training within all of our vocal and dance classes. That being said, I think the actor training available for both majors is pretty equal.</p>

<p>I have multiple friends that are in the acting option here who have decided to take a more focused approach on their acting as a major, and have decided to minor in dance and take up voice lessons with the same instructors as the MT’s.</p>

<p>If singing and dancing is something that you want in your everyday life throughout your education, I would say to stick to a more MT based program. However, looking within both programs at the school you are most interested would probably be the most beneficial thing to with figuring out the curriculum pathway that best suits YOU as an individual artist.</p>

<p>Hope this helps!</p>

<p>My daughter is a MT major at her performing arts high school. She has been dancing since she was 5 and singing with a private teacher since she was 12. She loves musicals but has decided to major in BFA Acting. The reason- she has never had formal training in acting. She really wants that and she will take dance classes as part of the acting program. She will continue to take private voice and other dance classes at her college as well. She just really wants to learn the proper way of breaking down a monologue and other things. When she was in high school, she was always cast in the musicals and not the straight plays so she is going to a college with a strong BFA Acting program that doesn’t offer a MT degree. However, her school will feature singers in some of their roles as they are doing that now and singing was part of the BFA audition. She feels like if you are an actor who can sing and dance- well, that’s icing on the cake. There are far more plays in this world than musicals too. I’m proud of her for realizing this and making her own decision.</p>

<p>Our D feels much as you do, so she purposely chose a BA from a school known for very strong actor-training, and where MANY kids double major in 4 years. It also has a well-respected MT Certificate option, and she will study voice and dance every quarter. She spent a lot of time her junior year quizzing older friends in all the top BFA MT programs and consistently heard that they didn’t find their acting training great, and since she’d gotten NONE in HS she thought it was important to seek out the best she could find. She is EXTREMELY happy with her choice (Northwestern), so you can find a school that offers balance if that’s important to you!</p>

<p>Have fun with your search, and keep in mind that many kids I know find their Junior year the hardest, so hang in there!</p>

<p>While I know this is an “MT” forum and have appreciated the many insights from a variety of parents and students over a number of years, the question of acting vs. MT programs can sometimes get clouded by the passion for MT expressed in the posts. MT has to be seen in the context of acting training since no one I have met wants to be pigeon-holed as only able to to do musical theatre, no matter how much they love it. The strongest musical theatre programs stress the importance of acting and are increasingly making sure that training includes acting for camera as well. S got very lucky in his acceptance to CMU for MT but it was his first choice because its MT program emphasizes acting (indicating it’s the equivalent of a double major: acting/mt). If he hadn’t gotten into CMU, his own “ranking” of other schools ranged from an equal mix of BFA acting and BFA MT programs, with the most likely second and third choices after CMU being acting, not MT. Everyone’s list is going to be different but the curriculum, support of faculty and alumni after graduation, success of graduates in a diverse range of professional performance venues, and a sense of “this is right for me” will be the best way to find “your” school. Best of luck!</p>

<p>All auditioned BFA theatre programs are extremely selective, but MT programs are almost unbelievably hard to get into…even more so than Acting. It’s particularly rough if you’re female.</p>

<p>Hi there steamedartichoke! You sound a lot like me when I was a junior. I, too, have always considered acting my strength. I’m also a strong singer, but hardly a dancer at all. So here’s a little background on me, and what my life looked like from a year ago to now.</p>

<p>I’m 18 years old, and I’ve been acting and singing for 10 years, and danced on and off for about 5 throughout childhood and teen years. I am not a trained dancer, but I am, in fact, randomly enough, a tap dancer. I have a 4.0 weighted GPA, got a 31 on my ACT, and go to a Public High School. My training is not highly specialized; I took acting classes for about 6 years and voice for about 6 now. Nothing professional.</p>

<p>When it came to college application, I applied for MT and Acting. Mostly, I was interested in MT, but wanted a program with Acting at the core. I applied to many schools. Some required an audition, some did not, and from the perspective of a stronger actor/singer with little dance training, I thought I’d fill you in on my audition process and what came of it all.</p>

<p>Northwestern - Non-audition. Very selective, but a very good school if you are interested in a double major. They offer a BA in Theatre and a Certificate program for MT which you can audition for at the end of your freshman year. If double majoring is important to you and you’ve got good grades, consider applying here. They even encourage double majoring. I was rejected.
University of Michigan - Audition, beginning with a Pre-Screen video. Very nice and smart people in this department. One of the most difficult programs to get into, I believe. I felt my lack of dance training hindered me from getting in. I passed the pre-screen, but was ultimitely rejected.
Ball State - Audition. Also very kind in the audition process. Though they emphasize acting in their training, I felt it was not the most vital component they considered in admission. Again, my lack of dance hindered me. I know multiple people in the program who adore it, all who had heavy dance training before auditioning. I was rejected from MT, but admitted to their Theatre Arts program and to the school.
CCM - Audition. They believe singing is the most important component of MT. I believe their emphasis seems to be on singing, dancing, then acting. That’s the impression I got. Not an approach I’m a big fan of. Their dance audition was fun and not difficult, but I believe they like dancers, once again. I was rejected.
Carnegie Mellon - Audition. This, I believe, is THE most difficult program to get into. Their emphasis is acting all the way. They emphasize dance very little, even in the audition. I think the program is exceptional, but a lot like winning the lottery; your chances have little to do with your ability. I was rejected.
Penn State - Audition. Penn State holds auditions for just singing and acting, then they ask students to attend a dance call later that day if they are interested. This “call-back”, in effect, lets you know if you are in consideration or not. If not asked to dance, not considered. Their dance audition was challenging, and they also have a strong emphasis on dance, I believe. I am currently waitlisted.
University of Miami - Audition. I did a walk-in audition at the Chicago Unifieds, then applied. Miami has a strong emphasis on acting in their curriculum; there was a dance call, but I was unable to attend it. Miami also requires their applicants to be academically admitted to the school to get into MT, which means they stress high grades. I was accepted for MT.
Emerson - Audition. This dance call was very basic, with an emphasis on acting through dance. Emerson’s approach is very much from a viewpoint of acting first. I was accepted for MT.
Ithaca - Audition. Ithaca had no dance audition, however, I don’t believe their training lacks strength in dance. They, too, emphasize acting in their training and admission. Ithaca allows you to be considered for other programs if you are not admitted to your first choice. I was accepted for MT.
Syracuse - Audition. The dance audition was challenging. They seem to emphasize acting, but dance seems to be fairly important, as most of their MTs are very good dancers. Like Ithaca, they allow you to be considered for the BFA Acting program if you are not admitted to MT. I was accepted for Acting.
NYU - Audition. The dance was challenging. NYU considers audition and grades equally in admission (50/50). You can choose, like the above two, whether you just want to be considered for MT, or for other Tisch studios as well, which encompass acting, directing, etc. I was accepted to Tisch, and don’t know which studio I’ve been placed in yet.</p>

<p>In all, I know this was a lengthy read, but hope it gave you some insight. I recommend, if you are unsure about whether to apply for MT or Acting, to apply to the schools that consider you for both. Beyond that, you should know that you don’t need to know exactly what you want just yet. Life plays out in funny ways. Think about what you want to learn. Music is very important in my life, but very few MT programs offer in-depth training in classical theatre, like Shakespeare. I’m realizing that this is important to me, so I’ve really considering a straight acting program, and then I’d take dance and voice lessons outside my major. My point is, whatever you end up deciding, you will always have a role in your education, and you’re never stuck at the school you decide to go to, either. Like I said, life is funny. Let it lead you somewhere, then follow it for a bit. I know I’m only a year older than you and am probably not much wiser, but I’ve been through the process, so I hope my advice helps you out a bit. Good luck to you! :)</p>

<p>Whatupiact- If a school you like doesn’t have enough Shakespeare to suit you, there are a number of great summer Shakespeare college level programs out there. You can even go to NYU for the summer. It all costs money but there are ways of getting what you want if your program doesn’t have it all. One of my favorite singers, upon graduation from a super strong vocal program, spent a summer in NY training in acting and then went on to fame and glory.</p>

<p>whatupiact…you have some fabulous acceptances. Your post is very informative for other up and coming students. </p>

<p>I just want to mention that one thing at Tisch is that you could train in both MT and Acting by training in more than one studio over the course of your four years there and so get some of each and even study in Classical Studio in your final years if you wish. My D went there and did a MT studio for 5 semesters and an acting studio for 3 semesters. Thought I would put that out there.</p>

<p>This is a topic my d is constantly thinking about.</p>

<p>Optimally, she’d like to be competitive for both mt and straight roles. She always said from the beginning that she wanted the most competitive, intense program she could get into - and if that ended up being for acting she’d do that and if it was mt she’d do that. Everywhere that let you be considered for both - she said yes. </p>

<p>She auditioned for:</p>

<p>Cmu - rejected
Ithaca mt - said would consider acting - accepted mt
Syracuse mt - said she would consider acting - waitlisted acting
North carolina school of the arts - acting but w some dance and voice opportunities - rejected
U of arts mt - said would consider acting - accepted mt
Otterbein mt - said would consider acting - rejected
Penn state mt - rejected
Point park mt and acting - accepted to both
Muhlenberg - ba acting can piece together mt - accepted
NYU mt - said would consider any studio - waitlisted
CCM MT - added at last minute - almost didn’t because they don’t do straight plays but did because of reputation - accepted.</p>

<p>So now we have a dilemma - top choices - Ithaca or ccm (also like u of arts) very different - schools - she’s very confused - Ithaca we are worried about dance - ccm worried about acting.</p>

<p>It’s a good problem to have though. What I’ve told her is close to what’s been mentioned above - its that your training doesn’t end w the bfa - after all - her training didn’t start w the bfa - whether it’s over the summers or after graduation - there will probably be continuing training w this profession - whichever program feels right and feels like will make her the most competitive she should do and then she can supplement as appropriate - so glad to hear there are straight acting summer intensives which could be great add ons to a strong mt program. And vice versa - had she been accepted to UNCSA - could have tried to supplement voice and dance. Of course will have to weigh summer courses vs summer stock opportunities - but there is after the 4 years as well. Theres also the possibility of going back eventually for an MFA in acting at some point as well. </p>

<p>I don’t know what she’s going to do - but either way it really is just the first step into a professional adult career (as opposed to a child actor). My sister is a straight theatre actress who has done a lot of work in Chicago and some in NYC and her feeling is that more doors open with an MFA in acting anyway - so that is part of our thinking.</p>

<p>Does anyone know of a university that concentrates on acting/mt/film and tv? Also, why do all the most exclusive programs, such as Julliard and CMU, say they don’t care about academic scores? My daughter has worked herself sick getting straight A’s and high SAT scores, and now going to a conservatory program seems like she will be stopping her education. After all, the best actors are intelligent and well rounded, right? The thought of singing,acting and dancing all day sounds amazing, but what about studying physchology and politics and different cultures? To be a great actor, you need to have a great education, right?</p>

<p>This is a great thread that speaks to this topic: <a href=“http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/musical-theater-major/1255664-different-skill-sets-mt-drama.html?[/url]”>http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/musical-theater-major/1255664-different-skill-sets-mt-drama.html?&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

<p>gokeygal, Tisch offers all that you are asking about. There is an advanced training studio (available junior and senior year) called Stonestreet which focuses on screen acting. For students who want MT but aren’t placed in that studio, there are still some related training options in other studios and the MT Studio (New Studio on Broadway or NSB) offers a transfer track for the last two years (by audition). Studio training is three days a week and academic classes are the other two days. Academic standards for admission are high, and 50/50 – meaning that the applicant must pass both the artistic and academic review to be considered for admission. </p>

<p>Other schools may offer this combo as well.</p>

<p>^^^gokeygal
USC has these programs.</p>

<p>gokeygal - Your D might want to look at the University of Texas. Not only does the school offer what it sounds like she is looking for, but Austin also has a great theatre scene and many, many tv/film opportunities.</p>

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<p>@Gokeygal - Your D sounds like a great fit for Northwestern University. LOTS of NU kids go into film (Zach Braff, Zooey Deschanel, Seth Meyers, Laura Linney, etc.), TV (Stephen Colbert, David Schwimmer, Megan Mullally, Ira Glass, etc.) AND MT (Heather Headley, Brian d’Arcy James, Denis O’Hare etc.) and the academic standards (applied to ALL students) place it among the most selective universities in the world.</p>

<p>It sounds like NU might be a great fit for your D!</p>

<p>Chapman has a film acting major, it is right next to Disneyland so that opens up performing opportunities. It also has theater degrees,strong dance and music. USC has tons of opportunities for film, acting, and a strong music school .It has some dance as well. With one of the best film schools in the nation, kids always need actors for their projects. And, lots of kids who attend are out acting in the community. One of the actors in the recent Hunger Games movie is a sophomore. Lilly Collins goes there. They do one school of theate musical a year open up to all students, lots of a capella groups, and several student musical productions. You can even study popular music if you wish. However, it has gotten even more competative this year. 45,000 kids applied. The School of Theater has 500 kids too, so it is survival of the fittest!</p>

<p>@Gokeygal, also check out Mountview (in London) and Sante Fe. Both have strong tv/film programs as well as MT.</p>

<p>Webster is also a good choice, their Musical theatre and acting students essentially take the same classes together all 4 years in something called conservatory block. The only difference is that MT majors have theory, piano, dance, and voice.</p>