<p>you're not making sense chibearsfan...
those schools are of Umich's caliber, definitely. the people who get THEIR scholarships are good candidates for HYPSM...
i don't see why you're drawing a distinction. isn't this whole discussion over whether private schools of Umich's caliber give regional preference in terms of scholarships? And why wouldn't students consider those schools if they are at least as good if not better than U of M AND they offer merit aid?
...maybe we should just get back on topic.</p>
<p>Well, i'm not sure who "those" or "THEIR" is...perhaps you could be clearer on this. I'd like to see how many in-state merit scholarships Duke and these other peer institutions give compared to Michigan. Of course, we're talking about non-private donors here. I highly doubt the numbers compare, which goes to show Michigan is favoring in-staters beyond what they should for mere "helping the state economy" effect.</p>
<p>My tax dollars have been subsidizing Michigan for the past 18 years. I don't see why they should be given to someone with absolutely zero interest in the state. I don't have a huge problem with it, but I would rather have the money used to keep in-state kids away from HYPSMetc.</p>
<p>Well, if you want to play like that...I prefer to use the percentage of tuition/cost paid for by merit IN-STATE scholarships. I will not include scholarships that require one to be a URM nor financial need. Only in-state and purely merit will be used for ALL schools I am comparing. Let's see.</p>
<p>Michigan<a href="The%20MEAP%20money%20is%20not%20included%20because%20U-M%20doesn't%20fund%20that.%20If%20you're%20a%20MI%20resident%20you'll%20know%20what%20I%20mean.">/u</a></p>
<ul>
<li>Bentley Scholarship (only in-state students, covers 100 percent of cost for four years)</li>
<li>Regents Merit Scholarship (only in-state, covers 7.5 percent of cost for one year)</li>
<li>Horace H. Rackham Scholarship (preference for in-state, covers 5 percent of cost for all four years)</li>
</ul>
<p>Duke</p>
<ul>
<li>Benjamin N. Duke Scholarship (only NC or SC, covers full tuition all four years + stipend in summer, 80 percent of cost)</li>
<li>Trinity Leadership Scholars Program (only NC, covers 100 percent of cost for four years + stipend in summer)</li>
</ul>
<p>How can you compare a PRIVATE school like Duke with a PUBLIC school like Michigan? Obviously these scholarships at Duke are funded by alumni because it is a PRIVATE SCHOOL! It doesn't get money from the state like Michigan does (no matter how small). And, Michigan also gets money from its alumni...Stephen Ross for one. Even then, Michigan gives ONE, count it, ONE more scholarship to in-state students and its all of a sudden unfair. Take a look at the percentage of tuition money awarded not the number of scholarships. Duke awards more 100 percent or close to 100 percent scholarships than Michigan does for in-state students. The only full ride scholarship for in-state students is the Bentley Scholarship which is insanely difficult to get for a public school. Michigan does not, I repeat does not, give out many merit scholarships at all regardless of residency. </p>
<p>But we'll compare apples with apples. U-M and UVa in merit, in-state scholarships:</p>
<p>Michigan (See above)</p>
<p>Virginia</p>
<ul>
<li><p>College Scholarship Assistance Program (CSAP): (In-state) Awards range from $400 to $2,000 per academic year. </p></li>
<li><p>Virginia Commonwealth Awards: (In-state) Award amount is up to $3,000 per academic year.</p></li>
<li><p>Virginia Guaranteed Assistance Program (VGAP): (In-state) Award amount is up to the amount of in-state tuition plus an allowance for books per academic year. Students must have graduated from a Virginia high school, have a cumulative high school grade point average of at least 2.5 on a 4.0 scale, and be classified as a dependent student for federal financial aid purposes. Awards may be renewed for up to three additional years provided that students meet all of the following requirements:</p></li>
<li><p>Maintain continuous full-time enrollment</p></li>
<li><p>Maintain Virginia resident status</p></li>
<li><p>Maintain at least a 2.0 GPA on a 4.0 scale </p></li>
<li><p>Jefferson Scholars Program: (Preference for in-state based on some sort of regional competition) Full tuition, room, board, and all costs paid for by U.Va in addition to different activities/classes/retreats students are involved in.</p></li>
</ul>
<p>What does this show us? Now, the last scholarship is open for anyone but it seems like there is a preference for in-state applicants because in-state are accepted just like at U-M in a 2/3 to 1/3 ratio so the majority of applicants will be in-state. Also, it is easier to get involved if you're in-state because VA high schools have some regional competition for students to compete in. Ok, so we have two very similar top public schools, both favoring their state residents both giving the same amount of merit, instate scholarships. </p>
<p>Clearly, Michigan is not the only public school that favors in-state students with scholarships as U.Va does and I'm sure UC-Berkeley and UCLA do to differing degrees. Private schools like Duke also give out good amount of scholarships based on merit and residency. I must again agree with dsmo, Chibears...the residents of Michigan pay taxes every year to subsidize and also elect the trustees at U-M. It is therefore logical that U-M fund several scholarships to attract the children of the taxpayers who fund it in turn.</p>
<p>In order to be fair, you can only list ones paid by the university itself and not private sources. Just because a private university is not funded by the state does not mean it cannot provide for in-state scholarships out of its own pocket. Certainly if the state economy was so critical to the college's welfare, they'd have no problem doing this. Also, to be fair, you should say how many of each scholarship is given out. The total award money from each scholarship (totalled over all students) rather than the percentage of tuition it pays would be a much better indication of how much a school provides for in-staters.</p>
<p>Well, therein lies the problem. How do you know which merit scholarships aren't at least in PART funded by alums/private donors? The percentage works better because each school costs a different amount so comparing a school that gives 10,000 a year scholarship for a 40,000 sticker price with a school that gives 5,000 a year scholarship for a 20,000 sticker price wouldn't be fair.</p>
<p>That's fair, but you still have to multiply it by the amount of scholarships given. I'm not sure where alumni giving goes, but scholarships is probably one of the areas, but we could say that about just anything. I think it's fair to include any scholarships that is granted by the university that isn't explicitly private, like the LSA scholarship at Michigan for example.</p>
<p>How are you measuring fairness? Michigan will obviously give considerably less money to any given in-stater than it will to any given OOS. Does that mean, that in order to be "fair", Michigan needs to give MORE money to OOS as a whole (that is, give $ to the same number of OOSs as they do ISs) or is the same total money enough? (did that question make sense?) I'm just asking.. :)</p>
<p>A great question, ladyinred. From the student's perspective, fair would entail in-staters and out-of-staters getting the same percent of their tuition paid for equal academic merit. From the university's perspective, fair would entail giving equal amounts of money to equally qualified applicants. There's a large gap that needs to be filled here. It's probably in the best interest of the university to still offer more money to out-of-staters because the tuition for IS students is so cheap that they can probably afford it already. So I guess true fairness is somewhere in between paying out-of-staters slightly more in order to attract them and paying out-of-staters so much more as to match the percentage of tuition covered from scholarships to in-staters. Interestingly, the Regents scholarship lies completely outside of this window (I had to bring it back somehow, haha).</p>
<p>20k over four years, Michigan Scholars Award. Received today...35 ACT, 2240 SAT, ~3.7 UMich GPA, rather underrepresented state.</p>
<p>Congratulations, Rtael. Still waiting here. But at least there's still hope.</p>
<p>MSA (michigan scholar award) 5k/year received yesterday
2170 SAT 4.0 GPA</p>
<p>Anyone know if they factor essays in to giving scholarships?</p>
<p>LSA Scholarship
dated March 1st
20k per year, total of 80k</p>
<p>2290/1530 SAT
34 ACT
4.0 UW GPA</p>
<h1>1 in class</h1>
<p>OOS
National Merit Finalist, AP National Scholar</p>
<p>I'm so excited!!!
There's a very good chance I'll be a wolverine next year!
I know you probably would've never imagined me saying this, but:
GO BLUE!!!</p>
<p>Great stats man. I have very similar stuff but not the same rank, but I'm in state. Here's to hoping I can get a sweet scholarship like that. Congrats, and good luck.</p>
<p>Maguo, I am not sure why you are hoping for a scholarship. You said that you would rather go to PSU than Michigan and that you would be just as pleased with Michigan as with UF. If that's the case, why even bother waiting for Michigan's scholarship offer...if any.</p>
<p>He already got the scholarship, Alexandre. I didn't understand your post, could you rephrase/explain?</p>
<p>
[quote]
Maguo, I am not sure why you are hoping for a scholarship. You said that you would rather go to PSU than Michigan and that you would be just as pleased with Michigan as with UF. If that's the case, why even bother waiting for Michigan's scholarship offer...if any.
[/quote]
Let me make myself clear. I would choose UF for free over UM at 37k. Now that UM is down to $17k, UM is a much more attractive school. I have absolutely no desire to attend UF; it's just free and difficult to turn down. As for PSU, I would very much enjoy going there had they given me a lot of money, but now with UM's offer, PSU is pretty much out.
Good luck Stanford-Dude.</p>
<p>Stanford_dude, I was being facetious. Maguo has applied to 10 universities and listed Michigan at #9. Some of the schools he applied to are understadably better, like Harvard, MIT and Princeton. Some are as good like Cornell, Duke and Johns Hopkins. But the remaining three were clearly weaker, including PSU, UF and Wash U. He managed to list the likes of PSU, Wash U., and Johns Hopkins (Michigan's equal but not nearly as pleasant or fun) ahead of Michigan before the scholie...now, all of a sudden, he loves Michigan! hehe Well, I hope he doesn't regret his decision, one way or the other.</p>
<p>How is WashU clearly weaker?</p>
<p>UMich Engineering Scholarship - Received in the beginning of March</p>
<p>25k a year (grants + scholarships)</p>
<p>2130/1440 SAT
3.8 UW GPA
OOS</p>