<p>In an article here: TheDartmouth.com</a> | 401 members of Class of 2013 admitted early the dean of admissions said only 140 people, or 9%, were deferred early decision. Does anyone here think that's a little low compared to the past? I would think a lot more people were deferred.</p>
<p>i don't... it's about right</p>
<p>With an average SAT I score of 1422/1600, this is a dramatic increase over the average of matriculated students in recent years. For example, the average SAT I score for students entering Dartmouth College was 1330/1600 for the Class of 2011 which entered Dartmouth College in Fall, 2007. Has the average SAT I score of ED admits typically been significantly higher than the RD admits?</p>
<p>Coldwind, I think you have it wrong. The median SAT for the class of 2012 was 2200, 730CR, 740M, 730W.</p>
<p>The average SAT scores of this year's ED accepted was lower than last year's. This seems to portend a return to athletics as a priority. The average scores RD will be considerably higher to bring them to the same 2200 median they had last year.</p>
<p>There are indeed fewer deferred this year from the ED round. This appears to signify the new regime, this is Ms. Laskaris' 2nd year at the helm. She seems to like the Stanford approach better, cut loose most in ED.</p>
<p>Be careful, coldwind, because you're comparing apples and oranges. Remember that average SAT scores for ADMITTED students are always higher than the average SAT scores for ENROLLED students (the "entering students" you cited) and that applies to every school, including Dartmouth. </p>
<p>Students scoring at the highest levels would presumably have many other college options and might choose to attend a different school, whereas students scoring at the lower levels would likely have fewer options as good as Dartmouth and therefore be more likely to attend Dartmouth.</p>
<p>Post #5: I understand that. I'm not comparing apples & oranges, I think that you may have misread &/or misunderstood my post. Can anybody answer my question?</p>
<p>Post #4: I got the stats from the link in Post #1 & from USNews. Not sure whether USNews uses "average" or "median" SAT I scores, however. Hmom: I am not sure, but you may be the one with the incorrect info. I do know that my info. is accurate.</p>
<p>Hmom: The Class of 2012 was almost 1350/1600 SAT I score of matriculated students, which is all that I am curious about as numbers for "accepted" students is not relevant for ED & matriculation purposes since almost 100% of ED admits matriculate at that school.</p>
<p>Here are some stats for the 2012's, not exactlt what I have in print here, but very close:</p>
<p>TheDartmouth.com</a> | College admits 2,190 applicants</p>
<p>Thanks, but, again, that is for admitted, not matriculated, students. The last official accurate info. that we have for Dartmouth College matriculated students SAT I scores is 1330/1600 for the Class of 2011, but some have speculated that the stats for the class of 2012 could have risen to as high as 1350/1600.
Examples from the matriculating classes of 2011: </p>
<p>Harvard 1400
Yale 1400
Princeton 1390
MIT 1380
Pomona 1380
WashUStL 1370
Swarthmore 1360
Columbia 1360
Northwestern 1350</p>
<p>Stanford 1340
Duke 1340
Tufts 1340
Brown 1330
Chicago 1330
Dartmouth 1330
Penn 1330
Amherst 1330
Claremont McKenna 1310
Rice 1310
Notre Dame 1300</p>
<p>Cornell 1290
Johns Hopkins 1290
Carnegie Mellon 1290
Virginia 1200
UCLA 1180</p>
<p>My point in listing the SAT I scores of the above elite colleges & universities is to show that figures such as those written in posts above are well above even H, Y & Ps scores and, therefore, highly unlikely. Even at one of the hottest elite schools in the country, Northwestern University, math & verbal SAT I scores rose by only 10 points to 1360/1600 for the class of 2012 despite exceeding 25,000 applications.</p>
<p>I'll find the matriculation data when I have some time, it's floating around CC somewherre. For example we knew that above 25% had the 770CR needed to take the First Year Seminars.</p>
<p>The spread between HYPS and DB has closed considerably in the past few years.</p>
<p>Are they really all that low, ColdWind? I mean, that just doesn't sound round. I can't imagine HYP being 1390-1400. I mean, there are your mega-developmentals to skew the average downward, but there should also be more than enough strong applications to make up for the occasional 1200. </p>
<p>What's going on, essentially?</p>
<p>If the info exclude international students,</p>
<p>I think the score will go up to 1500, at least.</p>
<p>From Dartmouth's Common</a> Data Setfor the Class of 2012 (enrolled students):</p>
<p>SAT I: Median 50% CR- 660-770
Median 50% M- 670-780</p>
<p>Also, 65% of this year's freshman scored 700-800 on the CR portion of the SAT, while 67% scored 700-800 on Math.</p>
<p>Given that last statistic, the average SAT score for students matriculating at Dartmouth in 2012 must have been >1400.</p>
<p>^</p>
<p>wondering how come there are 1% 400-499</p>
<p>lol?</p>
<p>Good question! I didn't notice that. Hard to imagine...maybe an international, since it's reading and writing?</p>
<p>Shazz12 #12
Both you AND ColdWind might be accurate because "mean" and "median" are different numbers. All of us tend to get caught up in these numbers. Let's not lose sight of the fact that all the schools on Cold's list are the "creme de la creme" and the students are not admitted, deferred or denied solely on one variable...........</p>
<p>More Shazz: Probably, but not necessarily.</p>
<p>That'd be assuming everyone who got above 700 in one section got above 700 in the other.</p>
<p>Technically each section could feature kids who only did well on that section, leaving only 15% overlap, which would not be enough to get a 1400 average, in all probability.</p>
<p>How would you expect the 40% who were val or sal to only score high on 1 section? Many of the same kids who were in the advanced math classes were in First Year Seminars--confirmed top scorers. Just consult your school's scattergrams, ours shows high scoreres across the board.</p>
<p>You're right, Amadeuic. Also, I was making some broad assumptions about average scores based on the medians. (For instance, we know 25% of the class scored at least a 770 on the CR portion). I think we're splitting hairs here, though. The enrolled student average SAT in 2012 was probably very close to 1400.</p>
<p>I cannot believe I just spent 15 minutes out of my life calculating that.</p>
<p>^BTW, almost exactly 1/3 of the class is placed into a freshman seminar in the fall term. Another 1/3 will have Writing 5 in the fall and their seminar in the winter. Another 1/3 will have writing 5 in the winter and their seminar in the spring.</p>
<p>Anyone know the minimum score for math 11?</p>
<p>High CR scores occur at a lower frequency than high math scores. So we have one-third of the class with a 770 plus CR score, chances are that more than a third have math scores equally high.</p>