Outcomes after EA/ED Rejection Last Year

<p>I didn't mean to hijack the thread [but I don't know how to create a new one!!]. Until one is created. . . </p>

<p>Despite my "pen name," we're from the East Coast, so Swarthmore is 3000 miles closer, not farther away. However, with a HS 3.0 GPA and being in the middle of her class, she'd NEVER get in.</p>

<p>My point (originally) was more to point out that it doesn't always turn out wonderfully for ED rejects, particularly those who aren't "having to settle for [insert name of Ivy #2 or Little Ivy] after disappointing news from Harvard/Yale/Princeton." For kids who aren't the "cream of the crop," it can be difficult. This is especially true if the kid's own "like-minded peers" are Kenyon or Occidental quality, but she either won't look there or couldn't get in if she did. When they're 17-18 and looking the first time, they don't appreciate these issues.</p>

<p>Yes, she is contemplating transferring, and has been advised by her Dear Mother to get good grades. But as she searches for a place to transfer to, how does she find that "population density of like-minded peers"? Everyone on the college tours "loves" their place. Who will admit that kids in their classes are disinterested or profs are boring? </p>

<p>With some kids, the parenting odyssey doesn't move to the next level just because you pack them off and slap that sticker on your car's rear window!</p>

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<p>You're right that the official tour guides are probably not going to be an unbiased source of info. Although, if the guide goes on and on about how they love the place because of X, Y, Z, and your child thinks those things are utterly stupid, then the guide may be inadvertantly helpful. Overnights in the dorm seem to be particularly useful for getting a glimpse of the unvarnished truth. Good luck in helping your daughter to find her peer group. CC parents are a great source of suggestions of small, less well know places which might be a perfect fit for her.</p>

<p>I just wanted to post and say thanks for starting this thread...it definitely helped me realize that deferral isn't the end of the world (even for me who didn't get deferred from HYP and I'm sure not getting into them during RD)!!! :) It is helping me get motivated to finish my RD apps...finally!!!!</p>

<p>Also there's this website (<a href="http://www.campusdirt.com%5B/url%5D"&gt;http://www.campusdirt.com&lt;/a&gt;) that has all kinds of info about schools ...it even offers candid comments from actual students there, and they definitely aren't all positive. It has been very helpful to me in gaining a better understanding of what schools are REALLY like! There's also <a href="http://www.ratemyprofessors.com%5B/url%5D"&gt;http://www.ratemyprofessors.com&lt;/a> where students log on and rate the profs at their college...you can do a search for any school and get a list of profs and students' impressions of them, to get an idea of the academics/teaching at the school!! Hope this helps. :)</p>

<p>I know it has been said several times before this, but thanks for this thread. I received a deferal letter for ED at my 1st choice. I am satistified though, because I truly believe that I am going to end up where I am meant to be and regardless I am going to receieve a great education and have a blast.</p>

<p>Good luck to any ED/EA waiting to hear
plus, Good luck on any RD apps/essay you have left-I certainly have a few</p>

<p>~"riceowlette"</p>

<p>School: University of Pennsylvania, only ivy he applied to
Result: Rejected ED
School Attended: Carnegie Mellon, School of Computer Science
Happiness: 10</p>

<p>S was a classic underachiever, immature and unmotivated in high school in spite of high testing, so the grades were OK but could have been better. He just didn't care. Not everyone gets their act together by age 15. If it's a few years later, so what. </p>

<p>CMU has been tech heaven for him and he blossomed intellectually and socially.
Penn I'm sure would have been great, but it could not have been better for him than CMU. After graduation this May he'll be working for Goldman Sachs, his "dream" job in NYC, so even that outcome probably wouldn't have been any better from another school.</p>

<p>NickyJane & Mauimom, if a school has a DailyJolt site, I recommend the prospective student checking it out and even asking questions as a "Guest" poster. My D got very useful answers both about her House and opinions of various profs for a research assistant position just by asking. Bear in mind that it's as with CC...less than 10 percent post, so it's a self-selected skewed set who do.</p>

<p>As for the "like-minded peers" issue, I confess that this is where I thought visiting colleges was extremely helpful. If you can't afford it during the application phase, then before accepting. D also met at least two dozen Smith peers at prospective student parties in our vicinity as well as students & alumni for both Wellesely and Skidmore...take advantage of these opportunities. Even students being positive can tell you things that aren't positive <em>for you</em>. D's "clicking" with other students at two Smith parties and two visits was part of her decision, I'm sure. And Wellesley was the next closest in terms of clicking during party/visit and oddly enough that was her runner-up.</p>

<p>Just yesterday, I was talking to another CC'er about deferrals, and he suddenly asked me if I was one of those "happy-go-lucky types" who "don't really have a goal but float around on top." </p>

<p>I was rather stunned. While it's true that my response to my deferral has been, on retrospect, unconcerned, I was surprised to find out that others think I laugh off everything. I guess it has to do with peace of mind and the desire to see the brightest side of things. </p>

<p>I'm afraid this might sound presumptous, but I think the majority of people treat their safeties as a dirty little secret--slap a few schools down at the bottom and hope to God they get into their prettyhappylovelydreamschool. I worked my way up from the bottom, researching schools that I was definitely qualified to get into, visiting them, and learning to fall in love with them. </p>

<p>It's a funny analogy, but my parents' marriage was a little like going to a safety school. My mum was a pretty, lovely young teacher with a nice job when she met my dad. Not love at first sight. My dad, you must understand, is 5'4"--short even for an Asian man, stocky by nature and from a rural part of China. So...handsome, nope; well-built, nope; basically a peasant, check. But he was intelligent and funny and incredibly people-oriented. It took her two months to admit that she was going out with him--she was that ashamed. But in the end, she learned to love him and refused other better-looking men. </p>

<p>A good net is most important thing in a trapeze act. </p>

<p>I still have disagreements with my mother, where she reaches for prestigous Ivies. I tell her that for every reach school she pushes on me, I'll apply to another safety, to "balance out the disappointment that I'll feel when four thin envelopes arrive on the same day." (Said with a very earnest look.)</p>

<p>So I guess, if you want to be well-adjusted for deferrals/denials, you'd best adjust yourself. I feel foolish for pointing this out again, but prettyhappysparklingdreamschool is just a dream. It's what you perceive it to be. If you can bring it down to earth and poke holes in it--you'll be set. Accepted? Learn to love it despite its holes. Denied? Realize that in fact, those are some mighty big holes. </p>

<p>Ie. Princeton is an amazing school with some of the best professors, best classmates, best courses and best opportunites afterwards. It's gorgeous and the weather is spectacular. But seriously, do you, Mr./Ms. Valedictorian, want to be merely mediocre in such a pool of talent? And will you be able to keep up with the poshness of the giant that is Princeton?</p>

<p>My two cents. In addition, reading post-modernist drama is surprisingly helpful in coming to terms. Theatre of the absurd makes you think of the absurdity that is college admissions--that large random factor, the use of a few sheets of paper to represent a complex human being, one of the largest decisions of a person's life being decided in half an hour...</p>

<p>It pays more to be content in who you are and not let decisions based on sheets of paper and people who've never met you hurt you too much. If you know who you are, know what you are, and love who and what you are...the rest is just the "tale told by an idiot, full of sound and fury, signifying nothing." </p>

<p>Peace.</p>

<p>Tebro you have my vote ,any college would be lucky to have you. if your essays had as much heart you will have some choices to make come April!!</p>

<p>Tebro for President!!!!!!!!:)</p>

<p>arizonamom beat me to it! :) tebro, very nice well written essay! ... er, I mean, post! :)</p>

<p>foundnemo - also a well written story... but comparing your mother's choice of husband to choosing a safety.... ouch! Serves her right for dissing your choice of Brown!! It is hard to fathom anyone from any culture regarding Brown as an underachievment.</p>

<p>wow, Tebro. Are you really a teenager? I particularly found it fascinating that you have given your parents' marriage such thought. I think many kids consider the issue of their parents getting together to be so remote in time that it is beyond comprehension.</p>

<p>thanks arizonamom! I'm hoping to play a bit of "eeny-miny-mo" myself! </p>

<p>nicky: no can do--can't reach the microphone on the platform. It's a regulation 50 inches and I'm only 10 inches above that. Darn. And I was looking forward to poking around in Lincoln's Bedroom.</p>

<p>texas: to be honest. no. my parents insist I was born around age 47. That makes me 44 at the time of their marriage, so I'd have been very alert as to the result of that union. :-D</p>

<p>What a wonderful essay it would make. Shows such maturity and understanding. Where else are u applying?</p>

<p>ack! sorry for my confused mixed up post! :confused: You can probably sort out who I meant to say what to.</p>

<p>haha! no problems NJ! I was outraged too at the fact that some asian parents think Brown is a disappointment. O_o? It's really quite ridiculous. </p>

<p>bookworm: Cornell, JHU, Duke, WashingtonU, Williams, BU, Smith, Wellesley. You can see my disregard for decisions based on the eclecticness of my schools. You've got co-ed and all-women's, New York and North Carolina, rural and suburban and urban, research universities and solid liberal arts universities. And I <em>heart</em> them all!</p>

<p>Tebro
You're right about ecletic nature of your choices</p>

<p>my gc was trying his best to figure out my preferences. laughed when I told him I didn't have a rule of thumb and siad he should have anticipated it. :)</p>

<p>tebro, nice post. As a new jerseyan, I can tell you Princeton is beautiful but I wouldn't call the weather spectacular. It's OK but typical NJ dreary much of the winter. Now San Diego, that's spectacular.</p>

<p>Please keep us informed and good luck.</p>

<p>Yes, there are those who do not get over the rejection, and I don't mean just a twinge of regret or "I wish" either. But there are going to be a lot of rejections and disappointments in life and if anyone is having an inordinate amount of trouble moving on, then that is a whole other issue to be addressed.</p>

<p>My brother knew a bright young man many years ago who was convinced he was getting into Harvard. He was fixated on that goal. He did have a rough time when he was rejected, though he went to Cornell, did terrifically and ultimately went to Harvard Law. Years later he was still bitter about the undergrad rejection. He was also bitter about a lot of other things in life, and was a pretty unhappy guy on his 4th marriage and with a bunch of lawsuits and unpleasantries. Not saying that all kids who can't let go end up like that, but there is a lesson to be learned about moving along in life.</p>

<p>Also kids who get into their dream schools can also end up not liking it or finding it not fulfilling some of their goals. My niece's best friend from highschool who graduated from Cornell has had a rough few years as her undergrad experience did not lead to med school as she had hoped and she is having trouble (as is her family) in getting over that. A close friend of mine had a son at Bucknell who was so gung ho about going there and had done a lot of looking and consideration about where to go. He wanted out after the first term. So who can really say what is going to happen. Most kids do well whereever they may go, thank goodness. And those who do not, generally can find a solution to the problem. For those who are truly disturbed and in trouble, I sincerely doubt it was the choice of the college that is the main focus of the problem.</p>