<p>hey i was wondering about the placement exams for like math. is it generally a good idea to skip math31a or math31b if you passed the AP exams ? so what happens if you didn't take the AP calculus exam or you didn't even take calculus in hs at all, would you need to take the placement exam to try to get into math31a or math31b (i dink its 36/60 or something to pass exam to get into math31a) if those classes are required for your major?</p>
<p>I'd think you'd want to take 31A regardless so you could boost your GPA.</p>
<p>The placement exam for math is mostly algebra 2 and trigonometry. If you scored well on the exams, I'd send them to UCLA and skip the classes. The only reason I wouldn't repeat the classes is because, from personal experience, you are NOT guaranteed that A if you retake it. (NOTE: This does however depend on your professors - you could end up with an easy professor and get the A OR you could end up with a hard professor and get a C.) If you did not take the AP exams, or did not take calc in HS, you are required to take the placement exam at orientation which will place you in a math class.</p>
<p>so if we decide to take the placement exam, is it only to get into math31a? what is the minimum score needed to pass to get into math31a? can u get into math32a also by the placement exam or is that after u take math31a?</p>
<p>The placement exam is for math 1, math 3A, and math 31A. If you do not score above 36 then you'll be placed in math 1. If you score above that, you'll be placed in math 3A or math 31A depending on what your particular major requires.</p>
<p>Oh, and no, you cannot take the placement exam to place into math 31B or math 32A. (Just as a side note, 31B is after 31A, then comes 32A.)</p>
<p>I thought that you cannot receive credit for taking courses which you have AP credit or other credit already.</p>
<p>so how hard are these tests anyway? do most people pass it? whats the difference between math3a and math31a, like u have to choose which math u take depending on your major reqs?</p>
<p>There are two series for math and most of the basic science classes here.</p>
<p>Which series you take depends on your major. There is one for life science majors (which has topics more geared towards it and "easier") and one for physical science and engineering majors (pure and "harder").</p>
<p>So in this case for math, there is the 3 series and the 30 series.</p>
<p>3A/B/C for life science majors (ls)
31A/31B/32A/32B/33A/33B for physical science and engineering majors (ps/e)</p>
<p>In science, for example:
Chemistry - 14 series for ls, 20/30s for ps/e
Physics - 1 series for ps/e, 6 series for ls</p>
<p>Usually, the ps/e series can substitute for majors that require the ls series. So if you're not sure what you want to do, it's better to go with the ps/e. Although it may be overkill if you end up choosing a major that doesn't require that series, at least you still had the option of majoring in something that required the ps/e series. On the contrary, if you only took the ls series, you would have to essentially retake a bunch of courses.</p>
<p>ok so my question here is, for economics in general, they say for Preparation: it is required to take Math31A and MATH 31B, or 31E. All courses must be taken for a letter grade. Does that mean that even if you pass the AP calculus exam, you STILL need to take MATH31a and MATH31B or 31E because its required for that major? what is 31E anyway?
also can you take like a calculus course in the summer at a community college or something to count for 31A or something?</p>
<p>No, AP math credit is allowed to substitute for 31A/B. 31E is like Calculus for Economics Majors.</p>
<p>What they mean by taking courses for a letter grade is that you are graded on the standard letter scale rather than pass or no pass (P/NP).</p>
<p>I suppose you can take courses during the summer. Just make sure that it does transfer.</p>
<p>so if you passed the ap calc exam, the requirements for math31a/b for economics will be fulfilled right? Pretend if you took math31a, you would get certain units for taking that class, but if you decided to not take math31a and just pass it with credits from AP, would you get those units or nope? whats the bad/good things about using your AP credits to not take the required classes?</p>
<p>also i can decide to take a calculus course that is like math31a/b at city college right, and that would fulfill the economics requirement for it? so if i took a course in cc, and i get a B or something, that B would be transferred over to Math31A grade at UCLA and be just the same as taking the class at UCLA?</p>
<p>I don't know too much about transferring credits from a cc, but I've heard that you can't do it for your major. I don't know. Someone is gonna hafta answer this part.</p>
<p>Also, I was under the assumption that there was no option to not use AP credits.</p>
<p>The good? Well you don't have to take it for one thing. You'll be ahead, but not really since everyone else is skipping it. And you won't be maxing out the number of units that you're allowed to take during your four years (216 and each course is about 4 units).</p>
<p>The bad? Maybe you BS'ed AP Calc and didn't really understand the stuff? Then you'll be in sort of a bad shape.</p>
<p>I don't think it's too critical to know everything from Calc BC. As long as you know how to differentiate and integrate (u-sub and product), you'll be ok for 32A and 32B as far as assumed knowledge goes. If you do forget some non-fundamental stuff, you can always look it up and get some help outside of class without too much difficulty.</p>
<p>how many extra units are there if you bypass the math courses with AP calculus credits? do most students max or try to max the number of units they take and what is the good thing about maxxing out units? i would assume from a high school point, people would want to take LESS classes, heh and not max it all units out if it's not required</p>
<p>If you pass the AP calculus exam, you have no option of whether you can start from the beginning (3A or 31A) or not. If you pass w/ a 5, your options are if you want to start at 32a or 3c, regardless of whether you think you're prepared or not, or if you think you need review or not.</p>
<p>what do you mean no option of whether starting from beginning (3A or 31A ) or not. does that mean if you pass the exam, you have to either 3A or 31A or you CAN'T TAKE IT BECAUSE YOU PASSED AP EXAM? and if you pass with a 5, you can't take 31A, but only 3c or 32A?</p>
<p>so does that mean i shouldn't pass the exam. cuz i kinda zipped through all seven of my high school ap classes planning on retaking them in college, so if you pass the exam you don't even get to take the class over???????</p>
<p>Nope. You have to petition Murphy Hall to be allowed to take a course that you passed out of with an AP score of 4/5. UCLA is very adamant about students graduating in four years, to the extent that they force you to use your AP credits. Otherwise, everyone would take Math 31A/31B and get an easy A. The lesson is, don't take the Calculus AB/BC/etc. AP test if you definitely plan on taking Math 31A/31B/etc. to boost your GPA. :rolleyes:</p>
<p>Well Rejected, frankly, AP credit doesn't do much at UCLA.</p>
<p>Only AP Math, AP Econ, AP English, and AP Foreign Language is worth anything.</p>
<p>AP Math - Math 31A/B or Math 3A/B
AP Econ - I'm not sure about this one. But I think it lets you skip Econ 1 or Econ 2 depending on whether its micro or macro.
AP English - Eng. Comp 3 unless you reaaallly wanna do English
AP Foreign Language - foreign language requirement unless you want to do that too</p>
<p>I think AP English is the most beneficial. You get out of the somewhat "remedial" class that is just a stack load of papers. You'll get plenty of that stuff for any cluster or Writing II or seminar. Also, it's not fun trying to work your schedule around the Eng. Comp 3 class since sooo many people have to take it.</p>
<p>so is it possible to take MATH 31A or 31B at a city college for ucla credit and as a grade or something??</p>