<p>Are there pros and cons for pre-admission to Ross?
I hear that some people regret going into Ross with pre-admission.
any thoughts?</p>
<p>And just out of curiosity, does anyone know the work load and how the grading system is at Ross?</p>
<p>thanks!</p>
<p>Being pre-admitted to Ross does not require you attend Ross. You can change your mind and just stick with your original school. There is no downside to being pre-admitted rather than not. </p>
<p>I’m not in Ross but I know a few people who all said that your grade in Ross is heavily based on how much you suck up to the professor and complain about your grades. They also said everything you learn is worthless. I’ve heard nothing good about it except that the recruiting is very good.</p>
<p>oh damn :(</p>
<p>also, what’s the difference between pre-admitted Ross student courses and a regular LSA student courses just in their freshman year? Because doesn’t Ross really start sophomore year?</p>
<p>The only difference is that you have to have credit for atleast Math 115 and you need to take Econ 101. Other than that it’s the same.</p>
<p>I’m going out on a limb to contradict Vlad because…I am on the Ross faculty.</p>
<p>The grading curve is stricter than most of the rest of the university (exceptions include math and econ, which are tough).</p>
<p>The sucking up thing is NOT true however; in 14 years I’ve never changed a grade just because someone @ asked nice.@</p>
<p>The big advantage to pre-admit is that it takes the pressure off so the fiendish curves in the math and econ prereqs don’t mess you up.</p>
<p>“I’m not in Ross but I know a few people who all said that your grade in Ross is heavily based on how much you suck up to the professor and complain about your grades. They also said everything you learn is worthless. I’ve heard nothing good about it except that the recruiting is very good.”</p>
<p>This statement is comical and absurdly wrong. Vladenschlutte is a ■■■■■ on these forums and constantly posts negative things about the university for no real reason. Almost all classes in Ross are either exam or project based (thus “action-learning” which Ross prides itself on). Sucking up to the professor would not raise your grade, it would probably lower it. Ross is the star of U of M (followed closely by the school of engineering) for a reason, and what you learn is very applicable to real world business situations. Why do you think the recruitment rate is so high?</p>
<p>Michigan Daily did a survey of all the schools under the University of Michigan and found that 98% of Ross graduates have jobs by the time they graduate compared to 60% of architecture students, 58% of LSA students, and only 40% of Public Policy students. Several students from Ross every year get placed into top companies in investment banking and consulting every year and the school is on the same level as Wharton and Sloan (MIT). </p>
<p>Being a pre-admit to Ross is a godsend, you are guarenteed a spot as long as you keep a 3.3 GPA (you can take easy classes, so it’s very simple) and keep at least a B- in Math 115 and Econ 101 (also very easy). The pre-admits I know are having the time of their lives not having to worry about the application. That being said, getting in through the application process is very doable too.</p>
<p>Vladenschlutte, are you just mad you weren’t good enough to get in? You sure seem bitter on these forums.</p>
<p>Kyle, Vladenschlutte is not a ■■■■■ on these boards at all, he is actually a Michigan student right now. “Project based” and brown-nosing are pretty well known to be synonymous, so that’s where one would get the idea of kissing up to professors in Ross. Also, you aren’t in Ross yet so I’m not sure what makes you an ultimate authority. You also seem to make the application seem like a sure-shot, which is not necessarily the case regardless of GPA. Just like applying to Michigan in the first place, Ross applicants are semi self-selective so you will want to stand out, and many of the available spots are taken by pre-admits to begin with, inflating the acceptance rate after the first year.</p>
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<p>I never applied, nor do I care about the B-school. The statement (that people who are in Ross said those things about it) is completely true. I am not in Ross and haven’t taken Ross classes so I can’t tell you first hand, but it’s absolutely true that I’ve been told all of those things by several Ross students. </p>
<p>What bad things are you referring to that I constantly say about the university? It’s too expensive, transportation/parking is bad, there are not enough computers, and large intro classes suck. Those things are all true. Overall I think the university has a lot of good traits but I’m not going to lie and say it’s perfect at everything. It’s not perfect.</p>
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Ross is very open with its admissions stats. Entering Sophomore class profile is listed separately from Preferred Admit.</p>
<p>Entering Sophomore BBA Class
No. of applicants: 1163
No. admitted: 436
No. attending: 423
Acceptance rate = 37.5%</p>
<p>Preferred Admit
No. of applicants: 1736
No. admitted: 323
No. attending: 101
Acceptance rate = 18.6%</p>
<p>% class taken by pre-admit ~= 19% (not all pre-admits ended up in Ross)</p>
<p>@Nomadba go search around other threads, Vladen has consistently posted comments bashing the university with no statistical basis. Yes, not everything is perfect about the school, and I don’t act like it is. Everything in Vladen’s second post is correct. It’s too expensive, parking does suck, there are a ton of computers but there are also always people using them, some large intro classes are awful (name a university where they wouldn’t be). In this post though, he just bashed the b-school.</p>
<p>“I’ve heard nothing good about it except that the recruiting is very good.” </p>
<p>Really? This statement contradicts itself. Recruitment would be awful if there was nothing good about the school. </p>
<p>Ross itself isn’t perfect either, but it’s doing a damn good job. </p>
<p>Also, in regards to the regular application, not it’s not a clear cut process, but there ARE ways to almost guarantee your acceptance.</p>
<p>What are the ways that you can almost guarentee your acceptance?</p>
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<p>basically the same way you get into college, except for the fact that it’s once you’re already in college.</p>
<p>Do you normally take Calc 1 your first semester and Econ the second semester for freshman year to get the requirements in line for the application to Ross? Will your advisor help you choose your classes during summer orientation if you tell them that you want to apply for Ross at the end of Freshmen year?</p>
<p>Vlad reports as “absolutely true” something he hears about second-hand.</p>
<p>As to the other complainant, how can projects be equated with brown-nosing? Most project team members receive the same grade on the project, leaving no opportunities for a brownnoset to improve his: her individual score.</p>
<p>unlike tests, projects leave room for more subjective grading and therefore students arguing to do better or kissing up to professors for their grades to be better. tests tend to be far more objective, where things rely on either knowing the material or not knowing the material.</p>
<p>to gottagonow, it really depends on how comfortable you are in college, most kids applying to ross do something along those lines where they do not take both calculus and econ in the same semester due to apparent difficulty, but realistically both 115 and 101 are fairly easy. you advisor absolutely will be of assistance, because in the beginning of freshman year probably about 1/3 of freshman are pre-business. really, choosing classes that will work for ross isn’t too difficult, and just searching ross schedule on this forum will come up with numerous threads discussing good classes to take that will not be overly difficult schedules but will still look alright on your schedule.</p>
<p>Evidence please? Do you know of one single actual factual example of this happening??</p>
<p>No?</p>
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<p>Point these out to me. Please.</p>
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<p>The fact that I heard it second-hand is completely true, and I never made any claim other than that. Reread my posts in this thread.</p>
<p>all i’m saying is that it’s far easier for somebody to argue points when they don’t clearly have the wrong answer…</p>
<p>any classes that have subjectivity in grading (project classes) will have people arguing every point, especially ross where people are notorious for trying to increase their gpa in any way possible.</p>
<p>“Any classes that have subjectivity in grading (project classes) will have people arguing every point, especially ross where people are notorious for trying to increase their gpa in any way possible.”</p>
<p>Ross does a much better job regarding subjectivity then say LSA or the Art School. The opportunity for private relationships to influence grades is much greater in a sociology class based off 5 papers and an art class based off 3 paintings then a marketing class based off a project and 3 exams. There are very few purely project based classes in Ross, all of which are in marketing or very upper level finance and consulting. If anything, brown-nosing would affect grades less then any other school other then the school of engineering. The fact that b-school students are more competitive does not directly equate to brown-nosing and receiving grades which were not deserved.</p>
<p>">3.7 freshman gpa; a or a- in english, calc, and econ; student org involvement with leadership positions; great expression of business interest in essays."</p>
<p>This is spot on.</p>
<p>Kyle, I seem to remember you posting a while back some blatantly wrong information about the business school… I think it was something about Ross having a business minor? From what I can tell, you’re still a freshman and have little to no real knowledge about the business school here. Please don’t try to defend something so blindly… some readers on this forum may actually believe that you know what you’re talking about, when it’s quite clear you don’t.</p>