<p>I’ve been doing Math IIC practice tests all week–Barron’s, PR, Kaplan–and have consistently been getting around a 700. This is really disappointing, especially since I’m taking it tomorrow…</p>
<p>be happy with a 700. Your SAT2s won't make or break you. Getting an 800 on them won't push you into the accept pile.</p>
<p>im taking it tomorrow too. I definitely need to study more, but I heard that the actual test is easier than the tests in most practice books.</p>
<p>williamhd - I hope you are right. What makes you think so?</p>
<p>If your application is strong, it will be strong whether you get a 650 or 700 or 800 on your SAT2s. As long as you don't get anything horrible, one SAT2 won't make the difference one way or the other. </p>
<p>Think about it this way. I know high GPA Kids (yes plural) with practically perfect SATs and SAT2s who got deferred and denied! There are more dimensions to you than your tests scores and grades. Hopefully you differentiated yourself in your application.</p>
<p>I'd like to believe that - (my SATs are good, but SAT IIs are just average by Penn's standards) but even the head of admissions says that testing is 40% of the app ( including I think GPA). </p>
<p>I know we are supposed to think that so much rides on our essays and ECs etc, and I know they can make a difference, it's just that I believe that huge hook or talent aside, testing is more important than some people want to believe. </p>
<p>And college rankings are based on SAT scores, not SAT II scores, so I have to think SATs are the more important of the two( not that SAT II scores are unimportant). </p>
<p>Also, not to scare anyone, but I was scoring much higher in practice tests for the IIc - I did Princeton Review and did worse on the test than the practice exams. It may come down to what time of year you take it, though. I bet the curve is better in the fall.</p>
<p>whats worse? average gpa and above average SAT scores? or high gpa and average/low SAT scores?</p>
<p>My D took the Math IIc SAT in October and was convinced that she did very poorly. She even scored in the 500's on her practice tests. She got a 750!</p>
<p>In general, high SAT and low GPA is much worse, because it implies someone who is lazy and doesn't live up to potential. Exception - a very competitive high school, where not a lot of As are given, and quarter to a half of the class go to competitive colleges. Penn knows the reps of the various high schools in the country, and the rigor of the school and your curriculum are very important in relation to your class rank and GPA, too.</p>
<p>Well, SATII scores help Penn see if you actually learned anything from your highschool and tells Penn about the quality of your education. AP scores can compensate for poor SATIIs but the new trend in college admissions is to weight SATIIs more because they are based on aquired knowledge...not tricks like in SATs.</p>
<p>GPA is important but not as important as a challenging courseload. A good GPA with a rigorous schedule is a big plus, but it's even bigger if its backed up by standardized test socres which compare your knowledge to the rest of the country...SATIIs are one of the best ways to compare quality of education</p>
<p>But not every school teaches to the test. For example, my science classes had surprisingly little overlap with the stuff that was tested on SAT IIs. So, maybe it's more a test of what kind of independent studying you are capable of since fewer kids take prep courses for the SAT IIs than for the SATs, so maybe it's more a reflection on that.</p>
<p>While it is true that SAT IIs are in place to give adcoms a better idea of what a student actually learned in high school relative to other applicants, I still think that it's totally BS that good math students who did precal earlier than most should have to be punished with being forced to remember obscure formulas. Someone in the SAT forum was speculating about an SAT II for Calculus, which I think makes sense. Anyways, hopefully the adcoms will realize that my poor SAT II score is due to not remembering everything from two years ago (I got 760 math on the SAT I, and had high 90s in both Cal I+II).</p>
<p>jpps1 - I totally agree with that.</p>
<p>i got a 720 on Math 2c... I should be worried. 800 on SAT Math and 750 on Math IC plus strait As in math taking the most challenging courses</p>
<p>will they know I can do math?? lol... since it's Wharton, I'm worried that one score will make them click DEFFERED</p>
<p>What's a decent Math 2 score for the College? I want to major in something in chemistry (and since it's not something very math-oriented like physics, should it matter much that I don't get an 800?). I have a feeling I can only pull a 700 at highest, because I get about 1/2 of the Barron's practice questions wrong. I took the Math 2 before but I did poorly (630), but at the same time, I took two other SAT IIs and did not have a graphing calculator. I have always gotten high A's in math classes and a 750 on the math portion of the SAT I, but my Math 2 score is pretty pathetic. Can I expect to do better this time around? (I reviewed over my stuff but probably only spent a total of 10 hours or so taking tests and reviewing concepts). Any thoughts?</p>
<p>P.S.- Sorry for hijacking this thread. I didn't feel like creating an entirely new one lol..</p>
<p>The only info I've ever seen on SAT IIs for Penn ( and I don't remember if this was just College or all) is that there is an average of 720 on SAT IIs for kids that got accepted. BUT, I assume this includes athletes, legacies and others -that may mean that it is expected for most to be above that mark. </p>
<p>Again, SAT IIs scores don't go into the rankings, and I hope that there is slightly more flexibility for those applying ED. All just guessing on my part.</p>
<p>wow we're all in the same boat. This Math IIc sat II is sort of annoying me right now. Math is probably my best subject, but I don't think the score I get for tomorrow's test will be reflective of my abilities. It's not that I think the concepts are hard. I just have forgotten some of the random topics on this test over the years. I think the test would be more reasonable if it gave us a list of the equations we need to know for it.</p>
<p>Yeah, I always found Math to be my forte but it's pretty discourage knowing how poorly I did before. It's annoying especially because someone I know keeps on bragging about his 760. He's decent at math, but I think his using of the graphing calculator had to have given him an advantage over my solar-powered scientific calculator (lol). I forgot what the transformation of trig functions looked like when I took it for the first time, so I missed those questions for sure. It sucked because I couldn't type in full equations and see it on my calculator screen, unlike what the graphing calculator can do (I know this is very minuscule, but I'm really hoping that I can really benefit from the small differences!). I didn't study for the Math 2 at all and forgot the double angle and addition of angle identities, etc. Hopefully the little studying I did will help?</p>
<p>HMMM..... things are exactly the opposite for me.... i really hope they look more at SAT2... cos my SAT1 isnt' great...just took my SAT2 today.. i found chemistry particularly easier than what i have practised.. i took math2c too.. and i really hope to get a perfect score? (b4 everyone starts cursing me... SAT2 shall be the only beautiful part of my application...) i guess, the education of my country is pretty rigorous.. thus most pple expect a score range of 750-800. my friend went in unprepared for math2 and chem (never practised at all) and scored 750 and 720 respectively.. i guess her 720 for chem is due to the many things we never learnt before.. expt those lab experements. in fact, the names of acids are different. we use sulphuric acid instead of 'sulfurous' and nv knew there's 'acetic acid' till my SAT today.. had to constantly see mL as cm(cube) and litres as dm(cube). but ya.. i think the scores are compared nationwide not internationally..</p>
<p>I think I skipped about 7 or 8 on the Math 2 and probably got 2 wrong. What's the highest I can get (based on previous curves for the test)?!</p>