Rejected ED From top 10 University, need help reorganizing

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<p>rasta, Sorry you received disappointing news. Try to focus on the next step which is to recalibrate your RD list both to achieve what you want and to maximize your chances.</p>

<p>OK, I looked at your thread history as you suggested and see that you have a wide range of ECs. You should try to focus on one or two that are very important to you and include some supplementary materials with your application. E.g., resume, theater and/or choir performance tape. Your essays and supplemental recommdation (non-academic) should reinforce and enhance your key areas of interest.</p>

<p>I also note that Duke was your #1 choice. There are several large schools on your list that have a similar feeling to Duke and I think your chance of acceptance is good. The problem is that those schools get a lot of applications from high achieving African Americans. </p>

<p>You may do better adding in some more LACs that have a hard time matriculating AAs. Think rural and/or midwestern, but still maintaining an extroverted, social, active atmosphere, with access to theater and music. LACs like kids who are involved in a range of ECs as they need actors, singers, political organizers etc and in a small population it helps to be multifaceted.</p>

<p>In that category I would add in addition to Hamiliton that is already on your list, Williams, Skidmore, Kenyon, Grinnell. Williams is a super reach but I think your URM status plus theater/choir involvement would be a plus.</p>

<p>I also believe that Smith will snap you up. Smith is a wonderful college, but very, very different from Duke so I’d want to think more about fit if I were you.</p>

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<p>There are no safeties on your list (I hope you knew that). OHKid gave you some good ones. Will you need financial or merit aid?</p>

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<p>Interesting:</p>

<p>Your less than interesting ad hominem attack upon me and your unprofessional swipe at Fordham were wholly unnecessary. </p>

<p>Most US News top 10 schools accept MORE THAN 10% of applicants= you. Prove it. I said, “most”, not all.</p>

<p>“Fit” is mere rationalization for those who lack prestige.=you. Fordham has plenty of prestige, fwiw, but my comment was intended to help someone come to reality with an average gpa and to focus upon those schools where the OP is more likely to be accepted. That you took personal offense at such an innocuous and general statement is a bit over the top. It wasnt aimed at you or your particular school, whatever that may be. But its also fact…most professionals support my position that fit trumps prestige. What good is prestige if you are a poor fit and headed for disaster or unhappiness? Fit applies to all schools in all tiers of the rankings. </p>

<p>Yet again, shameless shilling!
“Plus diversity” at Fordham??? lolz… = You. </p>

<p>I don’t apologize to anyone for my support of Fordham. I am not shilling, I am promoting and recommending Fordham to those desiring a world class education in New York City, a Jesuit ethos, among other fine attributes. If its not for you (or someone else) that is fine. Fordham had over 24,000 applications last year. I have also recommended many, many other schools on CC in my postings. I don’t shill for anyone. </p>

<p>Fordham is proud of its diversity: about 5% African American, 12% Asian/Islander, and 14% Hispanic. You got a problem with that? For an expensive private national research university, those are pretty good numbers. </p>

<p>Have a nice day and best of luck to the OP.</p>

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<p>No, you did not say “most.” This is what you said verbatim:</p>

<p>“Being rejected by a top 10 is NOT a bad thing. Fewer than 10% get in, even with OUTSTANDING stats and scores.”</p>

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<p>Is a 3.1 peer assessment ¶ considered “prestigious”?</p>

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<p>I’d like to meet these professionals. If “fit” does indeed trump prestige, then top 10 schools would not have single-digit acceptance rates in the first place.</p>

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<p>Of course, you’re not. ;)</p>

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<p>Why? Fordham has little to no religious or socioeconomic or geographic diversity…</p>

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<p>To the OP: make sure you have a “financial safety.”</p>

<p>Good luck!</p>

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<p>Since we now know that the OP is a young lady, let me amend a suggestion;</p>

<p>William Smith College, NY</p>

<p>William Smith is the womens college in the unique ‘Hobart and William Smith Colleges’ arrangement. One campus, two schools, two separate administrations that are independent of one another. Fine academics and a beautiful region of upstate New York to boot! Cornell, Syracuse, Hamilton are not terribly far away either.</p>

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<p>I agree with the Fordham suggestion.</p>

<p>Since the OP says her family’s EFC is about $24k and her parents can meet that EFC :slight_smile: </p>

<p>So, she needs schools that will provide the right FA to meet the rest of the costs.</p>

<p>OP…what are your feelings about loans? Are small ones ok (like $5k per year or so)?</p>

<p>U Indiana would probably give you a good merit scholarship.</p>

<p>COA per year for OOS students at OOS State University </p>

<p>$25,787, U MINNESOTA
$31,872, VIRGINIA TECH
$34,812, U IOWA
$35,029, U WISCONSIN
$36,210, OHIO STATE
$35,311, U N CAROLINA
$40,086, U GEORGIA
$36,977, RUTGERS
$34,696, TEXAS A&M
$34,922, U DELAWARE
$36,094, U FLORIDA
$32,752, U PITTSBURGH
$37,416, U MARYLAND
$36,985, U WASHINGTON
$37,548, CLEMSON
$36,848, PURDUE
$39,146, U CONNECTICUT
$38,120, GEORGIA TECH
$40,130, U ILLINOIS
$39,510, PENN STATE
$37,644, INDIANA U
$38,566, MICHIGAN ST
$48,041, UC IRVINE
$49,193, UCLA
$50,306, UC BERKELEY
$38,974, WILLIAM & MARY
$43,742, U TEXAS
$49,926, UC S BARBARA
$46,699, UC SAN DIEGO
$48,049, UC DAVIS
$39,483, UC S CRUZ
$42,570, U VIRGINIA
$47,188, U MICHIGAN</p>

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<p>The OP can do much better than Fordham.</p>

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<p>Interestingguy, seriously, why are you even on here? </p>

<p>Whereas other users actually help students and parents regarding colleges, all you do is unnecessarily berate people. You rarely actually help anybody. </p>

<p>If you are going to have suggestions at least be constructive.</p>

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<p>Ryan82,</p>

<p>Based on the OP’s stats and profile, I made the constructive suggestion that s/he not settle for the likes of Fordham. I also suggested that s/he seek a financial safety as well.</p>

<p>Just because I don’t sugarcoat my messages doesn’t mean I am not trying to help.</p>

<p>Last but not least, I will continue to call out CC members who repeatedly promote their own (or their kids’) alma mater instead of truly offering objective information and advice.</p>

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<p>I have better things to do than argue with someone like interesting who seems rather obsessed with trashing Fordham and perhaps any school not in the top 10. That speaks for itself. </p>

<p>Have a nice day. But PA ratings are as relevant to “prestige” as any political push poll in specific zip codes is to a political party’s measurement of public support. If that is your measurement of “prestige”, then that also speaks for itself. </p>

<p>I have repeatedly helped people on MANY threads involving MANY schools and having NOTHING to do with Fordham. The OP asked for a suggestion, I offered my advice and made a simple suggestion given his stats and scores. </p>

<p>Your obsession with trashing Fordham is really strange. It reflects rather poorly on you, in case you hadn’t noticed.</p>

<p>I will continue to call out people who have something negative to say about any school they no nothing about, never attended and have some obsession about trashing. Why don’t you tell us where you attended “interestingguy?” That might help us with the context.</p>

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<p>Why? Fordham has little to no religious or socioeconomic or geographic diversity… = interesting</p>

<p>Another bold face misstatement. Fordham is a Roman Catholic Jesuit institution and a national research school. It is approximately 60% Roman Catholic in the student body. It has many faculty who are not in a religious order (lay persons) and who are not Catholic, including distinguished Jewish, Lutheran, Presbyterian, Orthodox Christian faculty.</p>

<p>Geographically speaking, Fordham is about 44% from New York, with 25% from Mid Atlantic states, 12% from upper New England, 6% West Coast, 5% MidWest, 5% from the South and Southwest, and 4% International. It is striving for continued geographic diversity all the time.</p>

<p>Fordham is also proud that it has a high percentage of Pellgrant admittees, 98% of Fordham students are on scholarship or receive financial aid. It is very socio-economically diverse. </p>

<p>Your statement is blatantly false.</p>

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<p>interestingguy, it is interesting to note that your ‘constructive criticism’ consists of one-liners with no additional or supporting information, while at least some of the other ■■■■■■■■ in this thread actually has some semblance of content.</p>

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<p>You once advised a student to apply to Fordham because it is one of the “hottest” Roman Catholic schools.</p>

<p>Since when is “hotness” (whatever that means) a valid criterion for selecting a college? And if so, it is certainly much more subjective than the PA scores which you seem to dismiss for the same reason.</p>

<p>Only a self-interested and out-of-touch parent (of a kid who goes to Fordham) would try to convince others that Fordham is “prestigious.”</p>

<p>Whether you like it or not: Fordham is mostly a school for NYU rejects. Even CUNY (Honors) offers a superior not to mention much cheaper education than Fordham. And the SUNYs are not very far away.</p>

<p>I attended hs in NYC so I am well aware of Fordham’s status relative to other NY schools. Even the worst students from my hs would never consider applying to Fordham.</p>

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<p>Are you kidding me? The OP’s stats and scores demonstrate that s/he is way overqualified for Fordham, especially considering his or her URM status.</p>

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<p>If the OP is smart enough to apply to top ten schools, then s/he’s smart enough not to need me to feed him or her (additional or supporting) information that s/he can easily look up.</p>

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<p>There’s no reason to trash Fordham. It is a good school. </p>

<p>Ghostbuster knows a lot about the school, therefore he has every right to mention it when students need suggestions. :)</p>

<p>There’s nothing wrong about suggesting Fordham as a match or safety to various students.</p>

<p>And, kids who are “smart enough” to find their own schools, come here for help.</p>

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<p>If the OP is smart enough to apply to top ten schools, then s/he’s smart enough not to need you to trash his/her thread with non-constructive ■■■■■■■■.</p>

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<p>i love how my thread has been hijacked</p>

<p>i’ve been receiving a lot of contradicting opinions</p>

<p>i’m more confused now than before</p>

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<p>Yet you do…</p>

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<p>Relative to most of the other schools of the OP’s list, Fordham is quite homogeneous.</p>

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<p>Wow, a whopping 20% of the Fordham student body is NOT from the East Coast!</p>

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<p>Do you just make up stuff as you go along?</p>

<p>“Seventy-nine percent of all undergraduates at Fordham receive financial aid from some source. Seventy-four percent of all undergraduates receive a scholarship or grant from Fordham.”</p>

<p>[Transforming</a> Initiative I](<a href=“http://www.fordham.edu/campus_resources/enewsroom/inside_fordham/april_28_2008/transforming_initiat/]Transforming”>http://www.fordham.edu/campus_resources/enewsroom/inside_fordham/april_28_2008/transforming_initiat/)</p>

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<p>If the OP is smart enough to apply to top ten schools, then s/he’s smart enough not to need fireshark to trash his/her thread with non-constructive ■■■■■■■■.</p>

<p>BTW, fireshark, have YOU offered any constructive advice to the OP? Yeah, that’s what I thought.</p>