<p>Okay lets take a poll. Who here thinks people are not human until they turn three? <em>cricket</em> Honestly that was the dumbest post I’ve ever seen here. And what do you mean “that is my belief?” I never even stated my belief, only that you are trying to push your’s on everybody else which is true.</p>
<p>No one thinks infanticide was acceptable. I’m not quite sure what you’re referring to, but if you can give me some specific groups outside the ~crazies who think infants are not human beings from a credible source, I will gladly accept your argument.</p>
<p>I don’t understand what you are trying to achieve…? I don’t support murder, I just don’t consider abortion murder.</p>
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<p>Yeah right. People voted for the Republicans because they’ve finally decided that taxes are unconstitutional. It had nothing to do with economic problems.</p>
<p>The funny thing is that you’re serious.</p>
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<p>The other point is that people have a right to healthcare, so they should get it even if they can’t afford it.</p>
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<p>No, it’s how insurance companies work. Except insurance companies take a chunk out of the communal pot for themselves.</p>
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<p>There’s a massive difference between somebody giving you something and making you give back money and a mandate to buy something from a market.</p>
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<p>Twisted people like that actually believe that it is ok to kill their own children. Since the rest of us (including, incidentally, the website that these people supposedly got their ideas from) know that it is evil, we outlaw it. Are we not just forcing our own morality on them?</p>
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<p>How do you define “crazies”? If views should change so that pro-choice people were a minority, would they also be crazies?</p>
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<p>I’m trying to first convince jkauf that since I believe that unborn babies are humans I have a right to advocate that abortion be made illegal. He seems to think I should just accept his belief that unborn babies are not human. Second, I’m trying to convince all of you that I am actually right and that unborn babies are indeed human, so that you will join me. That is unlikely to happen online though, I’ll be happy if I succeed in the first goal.</p>
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<p>This year’s election swing came from two sources:</p>
<p>1: The Democrats failed to deliver on their promises to improve the economy. People that abandoned the Republicans out of anger at Bush are now back.</p>
<p>2: The Democrats have abused the system heavily in order to push through Obamacare. People who were in the middle have swung right just to balance things out.</p>
<p>I agree with those who say that this isn’t a mandate for Republican policy. It’s a mandate for better practices across the board, and the Republicans have managed to paint themselves as standing for that position this year. This is their trial run, to see if they’ll manage the House well before we consider giving them the Senate and the White House.</p>
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<p>I don’t think people do have a right to healthcare, but at any rate we already have Medicaid and similar programs. There’s no reason to force everyone to buy coverage they don’t want.</p>
<p>Under Obamacare, it is illegal for anyone not to have coverage for dental care, psychiatric services, prosthetics, and all kinds of other things that many people would rather go without and pay out-of-pocket in the rare event that they need them.My family only carries coverage for major catastrophes, and pays for minor things out-of-pocket.</p>
<p>I take care of myself, with the result that I haven’t had to see any kind of medical professional for anything other than routine checkups for more than 10 years. My mom is very smart about health matters, and prefers to make her own decisions rather than unquestioningly follow the advice of doctors who are worried more about protecting themselves than about helping you.</p>
<p>In our case, the benefits of having full coverage do not outweigh the costs, so we don’t carry it. But under Obamacare, our lifestyle becomes illegal, or would be except that the orginization that we get our coverage from have some really awesome lobbyists that managed to get a special section put it the bill that exempts plans from them and one other organization from the requirements.</p>
<p>So Obamacare doesn’t really affect me, except that our insurance provider is now one of only two organizations that are allowed to sell partial coverage plans. The bill even prohibits any other organizations from ever joining those that call sell them, so they now have an exclusive monopoly forever, unless the law is changed.</p>
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<p>According to wikipedia, insurance is “the equitable transfer of the risk of a loss, from one entity to another, in exchange for payment.” The fact that the insurance company sells many policies is irrelevant, other than that it reduces the risk to the company.</p>
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<p>I don’t agree that there is, at least not if the law has defined that all the things on the market will be the same.</p>
<p>At any rate there is no reason that the government has the right to force you to buy something that you would rather do without.</p>
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<p>And of course without reducing that risk they wouldn’t be able to stay afloat. Which is why having many policies is essential. In fact, pooling the policies together is the reason insurance works.</p>
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<p>Well in your scenario you could end up with an insurance policy from every insurance company, and there would be nothing you could do about it. Does that reflect reality?</p>
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<p>Under the new health care package nobody is forced to change their coverage that already has coverage. Every other major country in the world has a national health care system and it’s time we catch up. Doctors are forgoing life saving treatments because patients don’t have insurance, it’s really something everyone should have.</p>
<p>^Yes. As we can see every other major country is doing sooo well. The EU is going down the toilet because their countries were too socialized. Canada’s health care system is a god damn mess. Privatizing industry doesn’t solve anything.</p>
<p>I prefer debates/discussions about party ideals/values rather than bashing on specific people. Also, I have more Communist friends than Democrats, which I guess makes a lot of sense.</p>
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<p>Not true. Well, technically true, if you define “has coverage” as “has coverage that is approved of by Obamacare”.</p>
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<p>There is a reason why my friends in Japan come here to get major operations done.</p>
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<p>If the patients chose not to have insurance, because they considered the benefits of doing so to be worth the risks, then that’s their business, not the governments.</p>
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<p>Every time the company sells a policy, they do so knowing that their expected gains outweigh their expected losses, or they did before this law was passed.</p>
<p>Now, they’re forced by law to sell polices which have an expected loss. In return, people for whom insurance would normally not be a wise purchase (since they have such a low risk of needing payment) are forced to buy plans anyway.</p>
<p>All this law is is a way for unhealthy people to indirectly rob healthy people, with insurance companies getting the profitable position of middleman.</p>
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<p>The analogy I gave was “if everyone was required to buy a car service plan that covered all of those things, even if they can get a much better deal by doing work themselves/shopping around/going without repairs.”</p>
<p>Why should everyone be forced to pay a price that covers dental work, psychiatric check-ups, drug rehab, prosthetics, and so on even if they would do much better to pay for lower coverage and then pay out-of-pocket in the unlikely event that those things should come up?</p>
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<p>Taxes that we pay for things that we vote on that are done by the whole country, like the military, the national park system, and the interstate system, are much different from the products we buy for ourselves.</p>
<p>Do you think the government should have the power to decide what food I buy? If not, show me how you can argue against it in a way that doesn’t apply equally to healthcare.</p>
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<p>Otherwise people would be able to wait until they actually need the plan, thus screwing over the insurance company.</p>
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<p>Except that the point is that everyone has a right to healthcare. That’s the motivation behind the reform movement.</p>
<p>Everyone has a right to healthcare? Really? What quantity?At what quality? At what cost? If there are a shortage of nurses and doctors can the government force people to train as doctors and nurses because everyone has a right to healthcare?</p>
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<p>Why should the insurance company be required to accept them at that point? Other than this bad law?</p>
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<p>That is a point that I disagree with, for the reasons Curtislee pointed out.</p>
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<p>The point is that everyone has a right to healthcare. That’s the motivation behind the reform movement.</p>
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<p>A motivation which I am arguing is invalid and not the government’s business.</p>
<p>Do you think the government should have the power to decide what food I buy? If not, show me how you can argue against it in a way that doesn’t apply equally to healthcare.</p>
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<p>The government does decide what food you can buy.</p>
<p>[U</a> S Food and Drug Administration Home Page](<a href=“http://www.fda.gov/]U”>http://www.fda.gov/)</p>
<p>Wasn’t a statement it was a question. Still haven’t answered mine.</p>