<p>juliet - STANFORD!</p>
<p>Can you visit? This will answer your questions, as you will get a much better sense of community and how supportive the departments are at Rice. I think at Rice over 90% of students applying to med school get accepted - but you can find those facts by browsing around the Rice website yourself.</p>
<p>Daughter was deferred
720/720/740
Top in class, transferred to elite prep school and been highest honors each semester
Varisty captain in sport, played two sports
All State singer 4 years
Made selected choral group at school -- only accept 30 out of 100
SAT II's in 700's
Took only one AP as boarding school does not gear for same -- got a 5 in US History
Will take AP in math (BC Calc) and English this year.
Good recommendations expected as the teachers ASKED her if they could do the job.</p>
<p>As numbers go, she meets the criteria. But, I am sure there is a reason she is not accepted. Maybe it was the essays, maybe she wasn't the "fit." I do trust the admissions people. There is always some reason. Went through this for boarding schools -- she got into the tougher and more prestigious schools and was wait listed at less prestigious.</p>
<p>Probably this instills a dark cloud over her once joyous thoughts of attending this great university. Other schools presently have moved ahead in this horse race.</p>
<p>Be proud.</p>
<p>thats too bad to hear, father of the boarder. i think it was her ec's that killed her</p>
<p>jj - It sounds like Father was just giving a brief synopsis of his daughter's qualifications. I don't think you can draw any conclusions other than his daughter is a very competitive candidate.</p>
<p>It is always wise to be careful with conclusions and advice.</p>
<p>Stats only get a person consideration. To be honest, the applicant, I feel, must be interesting if anything. Why else would all these "perfect" students get rejected over lesser students (quantitatively).</p>
<p>As the parent, of course I find her interesting and your comment can be taken as though anyone not accepted is conclusively not interesting.</p>
<p>This is not a rule, and especially not the decision of the people at Rice or elsewhere.</p>
<p>More importantly, reading a Common App and a few canned essays does little to reveal the "interesting" personality of the applicants.</p>
<p>There is a great deal more involved than "interesting vs. uninteresting" in the decision making process. </p>
<p>I would be wary of such comments as you are depicting yourself as an elitist who claims to be more "interesting" than the rest. I guarantee you that the gauge for interesting is neither qualitative with uniform measurment, nor something which admission processes at universities define.</p>
<p>If you got in, congrats. But, do not tell everyone that the acceptance made you better or worse than others. In many respects, Rice merely decided that you "fit" and the others did not. That "fit" is one man's or woman's good fortune, and the other's misfortune.</p>
<p>oh, goodness, i dont think seph meant it that harshly...</p>
<p>however, i agree completely with father: what the adcom is looking for is diversity of the student body. Of course you have to be interesting, but a rejection/deferral may possibly just mean that there already is a space filled with a similar person..i hope that made sense, although i guess it could be a paradox..cuz no two people are the same.</p>
<p>Many of the top universities, like Harvard, Yale, Princeton require interviews. Most of the top universities receive way more applications then they could offer admissions to. Nothing new here. One benefit of the interview is that it gives the student a chance to distinguish him/herself from others. Beyond that the best chance the applicant has, all things being somewhat equal, is to project through the essay and ec's. I know what Father feels though as my daughter went through the same thing. The only thing I would offer is that for your daughter to have the credentials to even apply to such schools means that you did something right. In the end it always seems that although the rejection is disappointing a year form now when your daughter is moving through her first year in college, this disappointment will hardly be remembered.</p>
<p>I and daughter will live. I am realy not that upset. I must be writing as though I am. Apologies. </p>
<p>I truly believe that this event will be a great learning experience for my daughter -- "never take anything for granted." And, more importantly,follow the advice of Chumbawamba's Tubthumping hit: "[When] I get knocked down, I get up again. You?re never gonna keep me down."</p>
<p>Many of the answers to people's questions can be found by researching CollegeBoard.com. Here you will find how students are chosen by colleges based upon the selectivity of the colleges themselves. </p>
<p>Website:<a href="http://www.collegeboard.com/research/pdf/adm_decision_making_23500.pdf%5B/url%5D">http://www.collegeboard.com/research/pdf/adm_decision_making_23500.pdf</a>
Title:
Admissions Decision-Making Models: How U.S. Institutions of Higher Education Select Undergraduate Students</p>
<p>Description:
The purpose of this phase of the project was to examine exactly how institutions make admissions decisions. Information from more than 100 institutions, representing all levels of selectivity, forms the basis for this report.</p>
<p>In response to the previous assertation that stats are what makes a student perfect, I respectfully disagree. Stats, otherwise known as Academic Achievements, are only ONE measure evaluated among MANY measures. At some schools, academics are weighted the most, but the student needs more than academics for admission. </p>
<p>Example:</p>
<p>5 + 0 + 0 + 0 + 0 = 5 versus 5 + 1 + 2 + 3 + 4 = 15
(with 5 in both lists representing academics)</p>
<p>It's a case of too many applicants and not enough spots. Your daughter is just as strong a candidate as those that got in - there just isn't room for all. Your daughter may very well get into other equally selective and even more selective schools than Rice - I really think that selection is pretty arbitrary. They just want a balance of public/private/wealthy/lowerincome/architects/humanity/science/musicians/female/male/hispanic/anglo/asian/africanamerican/international/Southern US, Northern US, new england/leaders/followers/extroverts/introverts etc etc SO many variables to try to get a "Balanced" class. Good luck to your daughter and, if it doesn't sour you on Rice too much, leave her application in. Rice accepts a number of students deferred from I.D. in regular decision round!</p>
<p>Deferred.... sigh.... I guess SAT score is a big deal because my 3.96 GPA with 13 AP classes wasn't enough.</p>
<p>Im getting really nervous, because I really want to get out of Arizona but i haven't got into any college besides U of A</p>
<p>what did you get on the sat a bobandahalf?</p>
<p>Everyone puts too much weight on GPA and SAT's. That's a small part of the whole equation. Father of the Boarder, read the article at CollegeBoard. Your daughter will probably get in.</p>
<p>Rice's website says that many qualified applicants will not be admitted.</p>
<p>Anxiousmom- cool post</p>
<p>^^^
fabulous link. it makes a lot of sense, really. what schools was that based on...or is it just hypothetical?</p>
<p>"what did you get on the sat a bobandahalf?"- jjjjj</p>
<p>2120 (1470 M + V)</p>
<p>hmm. im shocked you didnt get in</p>
<p>i didn't get in (i was deferred) =/ and my SAT score was 2270 (800-v, 770-w, 700-m) ... i was applying to school of humanities =/ my GPA is near perfect (i got one B+ in Latin last year =/) and my school doesn't rank but im either #1 or #2...</p>
<p>i had a lot of ec's too.. and not even random ones.. ones that i really was dedicated to and had to do with my interests.. from vice pres of student council to editor-in-chief of the school newspaper... to cheerleading... to model U.N...yea</p>
<p>my essay was rather good as well =/ lots of people looked at it..</p>
<p>sigh oh well. i hope i get into yale =] hehehe.. that's my dream school. yale or columbia ^__^</p>
<p>wow thats shocking heidi. good luck with yale even though rice is better!</p>