<p>jw, :P 10 character fill up -.-</p>
<p>they are considered minorities at most colleges just not under represented minorities. also, at a lot of colleges asians are URMS just not the top universities. </p>
<p>there is just a very large asian applicant pool for prestigious national universities and since many of them are qualified and end up getting in they end up being a large part of the student body, so in most cases they are over represented minorities at the top schools</p>
<p>for example at MIT asians compose about 27% of the student body. asians only make up about 4% of America's entire population when the proportion of the asians in the college and the asians in the nation are off by so much Asians are over represented...</p>
<p>ok i see, thanks</p>
<p>Why do other Asians have to be so smart?? Why?</p>
<p>I wrote a whole paper about this Freshman year. Because like Shaz said, we make up less then 4% of the population, we make it up in like 10-15% of colleges, and a whole lot more at like Ivyes, mini-Ivys, the more competitive, the more asians. thank our parents for that....</p>
<p>here's a little bit of my paper:</p>
<p>intro:Oh gosh. The essays, the interviews, the test scores; all leading up to this one moment. Fear, anticipation, excitement. The letter. This thing youve waited for has finally come. The acceptance or rejection to your first pick college. You open it. Rejection. Why? Most colleges and universities do not use a class-based system, which is unfair especially to Asian Americans. Under the current system, Asian Americans who are qualified, even over qualified are getting rejected because of the backfire of affirmative action programs, legacy clauses, and many other factors.</p>
<p>WHAT YOU SHOULD READ:</p>
<p>A class-based system is a system that chooses a student solely on his or her grades, regardless of sex or race. Using a class-based system, Asian Americans will benefit because, Asian Americans are the ethnic group that score the highest on the SATs and have generally high GPAs. [Alex] Caucasians are not that far behind, they would also benefit from using a class-based system. At Harvard, an Asian American must score 112 points more on the SATs than a Caucasian to be admitted. [Greenberg] Asians Americans with superior test scores and grades actually lag behind it college admissions. Regular admission into an Ivy League school is about 10% but if you were an Asian American your chances are only about 6%. [Asian Ivies] Although Asian Americans represent about 4% of Americas population [Le], they represent about 14% of Ivy League students. [Alex] In the past 10 years, Asian Americans average SAT math score went up 24 points and verbal went up 18 points, the highest of all the minority groups. [SAT Scores]</p>
<p>to answer the.j.shi I think the answer is that its part of the culture to study a lot, atleast for me =P</p>
<p>Many Asians are from confucian based societies, where education is almost like the #1 thing after family.</p>
<p>They are too smart to be considered a "real" minority. I don't know about you guys (note: I'm white, not Asian), but don't you find the way Asian %s are kept artificially low at some schools is blatant racism?</p>
<p>I also agree with Earth-dragon's post. I've also often heard that Asians might be smart because only the best and brightest can get into America immigration wise (be that the fault of us or their home country). Do you all think there's any truth to that? I do know that our immigration policy for highly skilled workers is really Draconian.</p>
<p>We've had the AA discussion a billion times before. Anyway, my two cents: I'd support AA based on economic standing, not race. Having said that, I don't take issue with the American system of AA. If Harvard wanted to, it could fill each class with high school valedictorians with perfect SATs, but it doesn't. To get an education, you need to be exposed to a variety of backgrounds, so it would be logical to accept a number of URMs who can handle the Harvard workload. The main purpose of admission standards is to filter out those who can handle the strenuous workload at places like Harvard. Once you've made it past, intangible factors like race and economic standing can come into play. I don't see anything wrong with trying to ensure there's a class with a variety of people wh can provide different perspectives on things. In intellectual schools, you should be learning just as much or more outside the classroom than inside.</p>
<p>URM means Under Represented Minorities at COLLEGES.</p>
<p>Being a minority in the US population (i.e. Asians, Jews, etc) has nothing to do with being URM for colleges.</p>
<p>That's true Mom, and we all know this (hopefully). Johnlee, this wasn't exactly an AA discussion, more like an AZN discussion.</p>
<p>Asians are ~4-5% of the US population, but they're way more than that at most elite universities</p>
<p>One of the problems though, is that "asian" is way too broad. South Asians are, per capita, the most successful and best educated ethnic group in the country. East Asians (Chinese, Japanese, Koreans) are only slightly behind them and Middle Easterners are only slightly behind them.
But, Southeast Asians, particularly those from Cambodia, Vietnam, and the Philippenned are not quite so well off. To pile them in with groups that are completely unrelated and better off does them a disservice.</p>
<p>Hmm that's interesting. My racial stereotypes would have figured the East Asians above the South Asians. Of course, since Indians are in the Southern group, I do see how it throws the data off for Vietnamese and Cambodians.</p>
<p>same with jewish students: 3% of the US population, but at most highly selective northeastern colleges, (as well as highly selective universities nationwide), jewish students make up a significant population.</p>
<p>Because they are the MAJORITY as some colleges <em>cough</em> UC <em>cough</em>.</p>
<p>I blame Asians for the reason why it gets harder and harder to get into the UCs. Blah.. darn those Asians... wait I am one.. but a slacker one.</p>
<p>We Asians make up 4% of the total US population, yet make up 20% of the Ivy League. We are not necessarily smart or anything, just many Asians are either 1) Pressured by their parents to go to the top Ivies <em>cough Harvard + Yale cough cough</em> or 2) Really work their ass off because they are driven by the passion of studying and see themselves walking down the halls of the Ivy schools. And I also agree with another post saying that the term ASIANS is too broad. From personal experience, the most ambitious Asians are 1) Chinese 2) Koreans
Many many asian parents DO expect and/or want their children to get accepted to the "High Ivies" (ie Harvard, Yale and Princeton, rather than Brown or Dartmouth and the like). One reasonable reason is because parents crossing the sea to come to the US is like a big deal. It's not like "Let's Go." In return, they want their kids to study at the best and finest university or universities of the US.</p>
<p>Anyways, I somewhat agree with drummerdude's post (# 8) about the low % of Asians in top colleges. We can argue that it's a low percentage, yet, colleges need to balance it. They kinda favor the URMs (African Americans and Hispanic people) in order to give them much more flexibility, and at the same time, giving a harder time for Asians to get accepted to the Ivies and other top colleges.</p>
<p>"I blame Asians for the reason why it gets harder and harder to get into the UCs. Blah.. darn those Asians... wait I am one.. but a slacker one."</p>
<p>Haha yes, agree. UCLA wasn't the way it was 5 years ago, for ex. </p>
<p>About 40% of UCLA is comprised of Asians. Unbelievable.
Im interested in UCLA a little (since it's closer to home), but quite interested in UPenn and Brown <em>cough no Harvard or Yale despite being asian cough</em> and very interested in Babson <em>cough kinda rare for an asian to say Babson cough</em></p>