<p>why would you find it odd that a rep would tell him that? That’s the same thing I did before taking my biology class as a p/np, i called the adcom at Berkeley that I was assigned to when I was accepted and asked her before changing it to p/np, she said that all they care about is your IGETC being certified by our ccc and that your major prereqs be taking as a letter grade but IGETC classes can in fact be taken p/np… i would think that my IGETC biology class is a core class as well considering it is a science class. </p>
<p>btw… fijiboi is in fact a Berkeley student as he lives next door to me in student housing so if he said that he took the math class as a p/np, then there is no reason to disbelieve him</p>
<p>I think that taking IGETC classes p/np could hurt your chances, especially at Cal where the applicant pool is so qualified. I don’t think that many Cal admits take any transferable classes, especially IGETC, p/np so I would be very reluctant to do something that could make me less competitive. Cal wants to see that you can handle the considerable Cal work-load and taking a gen-ed community college class pass/fail could make them doubt your abilities. Not saying that there aren’t Cal students who did the same thing, just that it might make you less competitive.</p>
<p>At best, it does nothing. If you really feel you can’t handle the class then maybe you want to take that chance.</p>
<p>And fijeeboi is totally correct; it’s good to do your own research. This board is full of discussions centered around advisors telling students totally conflicting info.</p>
<p>Are either of you two Berkeley students?
If not then how would you know if it will hurt your chances of getting in? My point being that the OP asked if it would hurt his/her chances and so far there are three Berkeley students that have taken IGETC classes p/np and still managed to get accepted to Berkeley as transfer students and at different time periods… if the OP is still concerned then by all means a call can be made to his/her ccc, but advising someone not to do something that has clearly been done on more than one occasion is a bit presumptuous.</p>
<p>Holy jeeburs, i thought my attempt at being a peacemaker would have succeeded. guess not…</p>
<p>luvtoolearn, dont get me wrong. i envy you because you were able to transfer to berkeley which is a huge accomplishment. but just because you got into berkeley, doesn’t mean you are anymore qualified compared to one who hasnt gotten in yet. you give an interesting argument that because of your personal experience, along with other peoples, the idea of taking “fundamental” igetc classes as p/np hurting you is a myth. but honestly, things change. requirements are getting harder by the year. so i think that is where sleeper’s statement is getting at. he/she thought that since it is getting more competitive, taking a fundamental igetc class as p/np might put you at a disadvantage compared to others.</p>
<p>your second post (the one i hope is above this one) clears this topic up even more. but it doesnt answer the core fundamental argument of - “will it put you at a disadvantage or not.” yes, you can take it for p/np if it’s equivalent to a grade of C or better. but how is that able to gauge your actual grade? is someone who takes the course with a grade and gets an A = to a student who takes the course with a P/Np but puts C level work? </p>
<p>im not saying any side is wrong or right here. but i dont think the above question can really be answered by one of us. if your past experiences prove that it does, hey - maybe it is true. but again, that’s one instance (yours) and not everyones.</p>
<p>Chibi: someone who is attending UC Berkeley IS better qualified to discuss the admissions proccess than someone who isn’t. I don’t know why you guys post on here if aren’t willing to listen to advice from people who have already gone through what you’re going through. You people are insane…do whatever the hell you want. I hope you end up at UC Merced.</p>
<p>To the normal people out there. IT IS OK TO TAKE CLASSES P/NP as long as it is not a major pre-req. I was assured by people at Berkeley that it would not hurt your chances at admissions and I 100% believe that to be true. If you want to take the advice of future UC Merced students then listen to chibi and sleeper.</p>
<p>fijee, whatever man, let’s just have everyone do whatever the hell they want. Happy now? I personally stand by not taking IGETC courses P/NP, and that’s not just for transfer admission but grad school admission as well. </p>
<p>chibi made a very good point in that times are changing and the applicant pool is increasingly getting larger and more competitive. Do you not think it makes sense that an admissions rep would rather see a letter grade then simply a ‘P’ when comparing two applications? It just boggles the mind why you’d think so when someone can get an A in a course and another person can put C-type work and pass that off as being anything comparable.</p>
<p>You should know that you are taking things way out of proportions. Nobody here was arguing in the first place, and you come on here and make a fool out of yourself by making what was a peaceful, and more importantly informative conversation, into a pointless argument that will ultimately go nowhere. Oh well, your statement that you hope chibi and I end up at UC Merced only publicly displays your foolishness and immaturity. G’night.</p>
<p>“someone who is attending UC Berkeley IS better qualified to discuss the admissions proccess than someone who isn’t. I don’t know why you guys post on here if aren’t willing to listen to advice from people who have already gone through what you’re going through.”
you aren’t getting my point. im not saying your opinions and experience don’t matter. im just saying that they arent the sole criteria in answering the question posed by the OP. sure, you were able to get into berkeley by doing P/NP on igetc courses but that doesn’t mean it happens for everyone. so yes, we do value your input and advice but we cant assume that your advice is 100% correct. the only person who can truly answer this question with a right answer is an admissions representative. </p>
<p>“To the normal people out there. IT IS OK TO TAKE CLASSES P/NP as long as it is not a major pre-req. I was assured by people at Berkeley that it would not hurt your chances at admissions and I 100% believe that to be true.”
You were assured but this is a simple - “he said, she said” situation. Unless a Berkeley representative tells me that in my case, it is okay to take it, i can’t buy into this argument as being 100% correct. It’s definitely noteworthy and valued that i should ask a berkeley rep, but again - situations are different for everyone. </p>
<p>“You people are insane…do whatever the hell you want. I hope you end up at UC Merced. […] If you want to take the advice of future UC Merced students then listen to chibi and sleeper.”
Okay, this is the part of your post that angered me. So wait, if someone doesn’t agree with you, they are automatically insane? wow, im sorry im not a super-genius like you… mr. “i know it all”. second of all, what are you trying to imply? that because someone has an opposite view on the road you should take in getting into a school is automatically going to end up at a lower-tier school? buddy you should get your facts checked. im sure someone who doesnt take any of their igetc classes for P/NP will not end up at UC Merced. And before you make a personal attack on me, get your facts checked. I have a 3.8 GPA and am Tap-certified. Oh did i mention, I already got into UCSB, UCD, UCI, and UCSD? I signed Tags for them. Guess I won’t be ending up at UC Merced after all… </p>
<p>fljeeboi, you are an example of a truly, stuck-up person that a fellow poster that ive had debates with (for those of you who follow these boards, im referring to anchor) mentioned about. it doesnt help my cause of defending berkeley and ucla students as not stuck-up, when someone like you pops up and makes comments like such.</p>
<p>but i think the biggest thing is… i didnt even side with anyone. so why are you attacking me?</p>
<p>3.8 and TAP certified!!! Oh wow…have fun at UCM.</p>
<p>Anyway, the reason you two are so annoying is because you have no facts to back up what you are saying. You are not adcoms at UC Berkeley. You are not even students here. There are Cal students posting in this thread who have spoken with adcoms and we know that is ok to take classes P/NP. I was assured that it would not hurt my chances at admission as long as it is not for a major pre-req. Who have you two spoken with? Where are you getting your information from? You two are just stating your ignorant opinions.</p>
<p>“3.8 and TAP certified!!! Oh wow…have fun at UCM.”
ha, okay.whatever you say…even though i did mention that i just signed tags with many other UC’s. but it’s cool… </p>
<p>“Anyway, the reason you two are so annoying is because you have no facts to back up what you are saying. You are not adcoms at UC Berkeley. You are not even students here. There are Cal students posting in this thread who have spoken with adcoms and we know that is ok to take classes P/NP. You two are just stating your ignorant opinions.”
maybe by putting it in caps for you, it’ll get across to you. </p>
<p>WE ARE SAYING THAT NONE OF US ARE TRULY QUALIFIED TO SPEAK ON THIS TOPIC BECAUSE THE DECISION TO TAKE P/NP IS CONDITIONAL ON YOUR OWN RECORD.</p>
<p>We aren’t saying that your experience/advice is wrong. We are just saying that it might not apply to everyone because we are all different. But like I mentioned like a bajillion times in my last speech, “i still value your advice/experience.” </p>
<p>and ignorant opinions? I DIDNT EVEN SIDE WITH ANYONE ON THIS. I’M NEUTRAL.</p>
<p>gah… i give up. anchor, wherever you are, i guess you win - i lose.</p>