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<p>Thank you Pandas!</p>

<p>I love it when kinds on CC try to use their AP Statistics knowledge to sound smart, but fail miserably by slaughtering the syntax/lingo. Arrogant and ignorant all in one! </p>

<p>On that same note, using that improper wording to say that Penn is a safety is just funny. Riiiiiight, Penn is def a safety. . .no. They admit 20%. They reject 1600/2400's. They reject kids that get into hpy. </p>

<p>Anyone who calls Penn a safety fits into one of the following categories. . .</p>

<p>Too dumb to get in.
Too arrogant to have any friends (and still not get in because their arrogance made them think they could just blow off the application).</p>

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<p>TheStonedPandas,
You might be right that it may be one standard deviation of the mean. I wasn't sure whether its one or two standard deviations. In any event it was set by the League.</p>

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<p>an_obs: i misunderstood you. i thought you were trying to say "a certain deviation away from the mean" not "some number of deviations away from the mean."</p>

<p>uppy, umm, i even said that i was being anal about an_obs' imprecise use of mathematical terms.</p>

<p>i think it's great that you criticized me for failing to use perfect grammar and syntax when it's obviously something i didn't try to employ in the first place.</p>

<p>Q: what is language's primary function?
A: To communicate.
Q: if somebody understands, is it carrying out its primary function?
A: Yes.</p>

<p>grammar and spelling is a new evolution in trash talking in america (and the world of debate). you see, there are people who can't quite...cut it intellectually, so they turn to trivial things like spelling, shoe style, or hair color.</p>

<p>now allow me to explain something to you about grammar uppy: it's there so we can communicate in written language like we do in spoken language. this is why we have commas and stuff. now, if i am utilizing grammar to type up something exactly like i'd say it, am i doing something wrong?</p>

<p>but, the greatest irony of all is that i was arguing that penn wasn't a safety (in fact, i'm going there next september). you used your eisegetical skills to find me disagreeing with you, and then claimed i was saying something i wasn't so you could be mr. grammar police say i was wrong (even though you agreed with me).</p>

<p>argument status: won.</p>

<p>(edit: no hard feelings. i'm down on sleep and writing on the internet gets me very heated.)</p>

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<p>To make this thread even more dramatic :)</p>

<p>mishra:</p>

<p>You make me out to be some sort of conceited elitist bigot.</p>

<p>And used quite a few periods in the process. I don't feel bad about poking fun at your grammar because you study 8+ hours a day. :)</p>

<p>I don't know about Zimbabwe owning the States, but it definitely owns India.
No, seriously, I'm kidding.. I'm not a bigot. </p>

<p>I apologize for my generalization on India not being able to afford water and basic health care. But, I'm gonna have to defend the States here- anyone who is under the poverty line has ACCESS to water and basic health services. In my state, we offer full health coverage to anyone making less than $15,000 a year. But, you took me out of context, I wasn't assaulting the Indian political philosophy. The point was that IITs have less budget. Top tier private American engineering schools are super-rich, so they can offer more <em>ACADEMIC</em> opportunities. I don't know for sure, but I imagine it is very competitive to get any research grants at an IIT, while it is <em>fairly</em> accessible at top tier US schools. I'd say these factors add to the "academic scale". Also, try telling someone at Caltech or MIT that their 8+ hours of studying is inferior to the IIT equivalent. Honestly, I doubt there's a whole lot of difference between the IIT curriculums and the US school curriculums, the difference comes down to monetary figures that contribute to the overal academic experience. Hence, that's why I'm justified in saying they're overall better schools. </p>

<p>Because you've seen your friends studying for 8+ hours a day doesn't make the IITs the godlike institution of the universe. It just means competition is so stiff and the admission variables so narrow that studying for 8 hours a day is the only way to make it. You make American kids out to be inferior. We're not any less intelligent- we just have to diversify if we want to go anywhere. Our IIT equivalents require less time dedicated to academics and more time dedicated to community service, hobbies, interests, sports, the list goes on. A kid without these is considered "a dull read" and the application is thrown away. Not less academically prepared- just a different way of fostering intellectualism. I don't think your friends who study 8 hours a day could get into an ivy, and most likely none of us could get into an IIT. The admission processes aren't comparable at all.</p>

<p>I don't have some sort of vision of people with begging bowls in their hands running about. India is on the forefront of technology in many fields, and many of the world's most incredible people are Indian. And, hey, Indian women aren't bad either. Heck, the company I work for even outsources the most difficult programming jobs to India because semi-decent quality is cheap. By no means am I classifying your utopian paradise as a developing nation, you have simply taken this entire thread out of context and sent me on this worthless ramble. </p>

<p>By the way, are you abandoning your ultra academic super top notch world class education available in India and applying to Penn? :)</p>

<p>IIT Delhi was probably your safety school :P</p>

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<p>just by the way, after rereading uppy's post there is a chance (albeit a small one) that I might have totally misconstrued him/her/it.</p>

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<p>Columbia-dumb piece of s!@#, not applying
Upenn-safety
Cornell-safety
Whoa! what an arrogant jerk! I hope he ends up at a community college. The nerve! Columbia a piece of s%&#?!?! what is wrong with you? I'm quited TO'd...big time...</p>

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<p>TO'd? +C's</p>

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<p>ticked off lol...ya i have a feeling these ppl are the ones who have been rejected from penn or columbia or kno they cant get into them...and are bitter</p>

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<p>socialism is bad for developed countries......... but it is a necessity for developing countries... in fact, to tell you the truth, it is a mere political compulsion..... the underprivileged make up 70% of the electorate..... politicians need to support them to get their support..... but india is gradually moving towards capitalism.... however i think it would not be right to wholly embrace capitalism..... it has its flaws as well.....rich become richer and poor become poorer...... think over it.....</p>

<p>neostrife:</p>

<p>i dont study 8+ hrs a day.....my friends do.... i am a lil lazy.... yeah i know all this is worthless ramble.....but im enjoying it.....as i said..... the academic part of education is better in India..... but education has various aspects....and overall, i guess MIT... and others would come out much better than IIT's only because they can offer more opportunities....they have the capital and the people who can afford to pay that much....compare $40,000 to $1,500...... and i left Science way back in 10th grade... i am not even eligible to apply to IIT's..... another clarification.....even after studying 8 hrs a day....people do find time to do community service and participate in sports..... moreover, we have Indian Std 12 Board exams which have a curriculum different from IIT entrance exams.... so people need to devote time to both....</p>

<p>as i said....the overall experience in US is much better....so im applying there...and its for a business degree.... business studies would be much better in US than in India......yeah im applying to Penn.....reach obviously....stats:</p>

<p>SAT I 1410 (m-790/v-620)
SAT II Wr-690 Math IC 800 Math IIC 800
TOEFL 290</p>

<p>Avg E/c
Excellent essays/ recommendations...
Top 5% in class</p>

<p>Care to tell me my chances???</p>

<p>just wanted to make sure that u didn't have a wrong perception of India and IIT's....</p>

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<p>Yep. Pandas, you completely took my post the wrong way. hahaha. I was agreeing with you and commending you for correcting that person's stat mistake.</p>

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<p>oh man, I'm sorry! i was so grumpy i just had to argue. it's a pity though, it was such a nice post! well, as long as you+me+an_obs aren't enemies!</p>

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<p>DIdn't Mother Theresa spend like 60 years in Calcutta..?</p>

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<p>wow since wehn is cornell a safety....*** id be happy if i got into cornell
damn</p>

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<p>Cornell is not a "safety", but at this moment it is without a doubt the easiest Ivy to get into.</p>

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<p>tennispro, I love you.</p>

<p>Sorry to be a parent barging in here, but I have been saying this for absolutely years. (Colleges having own entrance tests.) This does not have to be complicated, esoteric, etc. It just wouldn't be the absurd SAT I which does not, i.m.o., measure how well a student has mastered h.s. curriculum & how ready to tackle college curriculum particular to that college. Small consortia & leagues could alternatively cluster & offer a single test.</p>

<p>And Catch-22, I think it would be fairer than the SAT I with respect to underprivileged, because the SAT I is so trick-oriented that it really helps to pay for professional prep for it.</p>

<p>It should be structured like the National Teacher's Exam, which really tests competencies & facility with knowledge acquired.</p>

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<p>I would say Cornell and Harvard are the most popular ivys because they recieve the most applications each year, usually more 20,000. none of the other ivys receive close to that number of apps</p>

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<p>I got accepted to Penn and I am quite grateful.
Although it's frustrating at times when you tell people that you have applied to Penn and they think it's a public, state school or something.
Your "average Joe" on the street probably has no idea that Penn is an Ivy. Most think of Harvard, Yale, Princeton when speaking of the Ivies.
I wonder though, how much Wharton bolsters Penn's image or rankings.
I realize Wharton is a part of Penn, but I am curious as to how Penn would rank without its business school having such a high pedigree.
Any thoughts...?</p>

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<p>Well if one was to simply eliminate Wharton from Penn (I realize this is a ridiculous "what if," but whatever) then I would think that Penn would fall to perhaps #14 on USNEWS (right below Brown). Penn is so high because Wharton is so magnificient. It is still a good school without Wharton, but it certianly is not #4 material. I would rank it right below Brown because Brown has nothing (i.e. not one specific school) bolstering it's rank; it is excellent overall. In my opinion, without Wharton Brown's faculties would exceed those of Penn, thus I ranked it below Brown. </p>

<p>Feel free to argue, I know some of you out there just got red in the face reading this. :)</p>

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<p>I think Penn is great, but its not #4. Even die hard Penn fans will admit this. I also think its ridiculous that Brown is 13. Both belong somewhere between 6-10, right with Brown, Columbia, Duke (also overranked), and Dartmouth.</p>

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<p>Here, here, slipper1234!!!</p>