Theory: Being a bay area asian male raises a lot of eyebrows when you try to "skirt" the college system

i want to know if i have a shot as a baya rea asian male, but applying as environmetnal studies if i shotgun 15 top schools. / that let you switch majors

For example if i have equal level ecs in neuro do i have the samme cance applying neuro. ofc to schools that let u swtich like northwestern

The answer is yes, but be sure to let someone go over your essay who can make suggestions to improve clarity, and help you to rely less on hackneyed themes.

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You could also apply for CS at Cal Poly San Luis Obispo (SLO) since the cal states don’t care about ECs. You probably don’t want to go to a cal state since you seem very focused on prestige, but Cal Poly SLO is the flagship cal state, has excellent hands on learning, is very highly regarded by employers and generally has happy students. Also very competitive for CS so a real coup to get accepted there.

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Do you actually want to be an Environmental Studies major? Your writing isn’t very clear. In general, shotgunning isn’t an effective strategy. It sounds like you are looking for prestige for the sake of prestige. That will result in a lot of disappointment.

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No I don’t im obviously switching into neuroengienering if i get into a top college. i am only shotgunning top colleges that let you switch easily (eg northwestern). Also why is shotgunning not an effective strat for bay area asian male.

I am perfectly qualified for t20 - 4.0 + 1540 (800M 740R) + rigious courseload
ECs - Environmental NPO that presents about sustainability and greywater reuse to libraries - projected impact ~ 1000 - 1500 presnetations. Fundraise and donate personally developed unique growkit product that allows children to grow thier own trees for cheap. Raised ~5000 projected 10000 dollars.

Supported entrepreneurial pursuits of 70+ individuals to women entrepreneurs by fundraising them in environmentally desolate countries internationally.

Greywater Filter System - Developed a configurable gerywater filter system - patent pending (best case scenrio be on google scholar as patent pending) - run online store that sells this - idk but i plan to take it a lot further

Environmental policy reform - pushed greywater rebate in 1 city (im gonna push it to a lot of congresmen after my system is built)

These are my best ones

Still its a crapshot. imagine caltech rejected him as well. then what? He would only have GTech/USC to bank on for guaranteed CS, which is ofc not what he deserves. That is why shotgunning for my deographic is crucial

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The Harvard lawsuit analysis included a regression analysis that controlled for major. Among applicants with similar hook status and similar ratings, it did not find that any particular concentration appeared to be significantly favored over the others. They did a secondary interaction control for gender and found the same result. males with planned concentration in CS did not appear to be favored or disfavored compared to males with planned concentration in humanities. They did not do an interaction control between concentration and Asian, but if Asians in particular concentrations were notably favored over others, then I’d expect at least one side of the lawsuit would have mentioned it, as the choice of that interaction control would have influenced the lawsuit conclusion


In short, I don’t think it’s obvious that if a particular Asian applicant applies to Brown/Harvard/Stanford/JHU as a environmental science major, he will have better odds of admission that if he applies as CS. Instead I expect it depends on how the prospective major fits with the rest of the application. For example, I interview for a HYPSM
 type college, and have had a prospective environmental science major admitted. She had a lot of ECs and experience related to environmental science and seemed quite passionate about the field. I expect passion was obvious from her essays, and obvious to application readers. A random kid who is interested in CS and instead applies as ES is unlikely to have that rest of application supporting the prospective ES major, which may hurt chance of admission.

The above often applies to colleges that make it easy to switch between majors. At colleges that admit by major or make it awkward to switch between majors, it is far more common for different majors to have different degrees of selectivity. For example, Cornell Engineering school is generally more selective than Cornell Hotel School. However, you also need to have an application that supports your relative interest to the corresponding school. A kid interested in engineering with no experience or sign of interest in hospitality is probably going to have poor odds of being admitted to Cornell Hotel School, even if CHS is generally less selective than engineering.

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Once again I think you are all set. Your flexibility, willingness to embrace experienced advice, and humility will carry the day!

I think the CC community is benefiting from your experience and proven theory of how an entire ethnic, gender and geographic population is treated having been extrapolated from 1 individual within that demographic. Solid approach.

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I am interested in environmental science. I have the ECs to back it up. But, did the person you mention have ISEF + USACO type level ECs? That seems to be nessesary for CS. I feel like the applicant pool is rigourous for CS, not the acceptance rate.\

dude what advice did he give me that is against shotgunning? He just said don’t shotgun, not why.

Also is it possible to claim im hispanic without repurcussions if i claim i am part of a dying religion that no one knows about, which could work for proving im hispanic, and have a ec that tries to save that.
Also imn part of a hispanic dominated school (50%) even tho its in the bay area. would that be in my favor lmao
To be fair my parents have desi names, but I can always claim white + asian + hispanic lmao

sad part is that I take spanish 1 in freshman year while being a high acieveing student - looks very very suspicious.

“dude what advice did he give me that is against shotgunning? He just said don’t shotgun, not why.”

The selective schools you are looking at will be looking for continuity, consistency, commitment and passion throughout your application. Part of their job is to sniff out BS and gaming.

I would not stake your academic future on being able to hide who you are and what you aspire to. As you describe your background you offer a lot. Why not show people exactly who you are and what you will offer a community.

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Facepalm

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Now you’re just trolling.

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The Harvard regression analysis controlled for rating of application sections, including ECs. So if CS required national level ECs and other fields did not, the prospective concentration of CS is expected to show reduced odds of admission compared to others. This did not occur. Instead the regression coefficient for male CS majors was 0.462 = 1.6x increased chance of admission. This 1.6x increased chance of admission did not quite reach statistical significance, so it is not clear that CS applicants were favored compared to humanities. But they certainly did not appear to require better rating on ECs or other sections of application to be admitted.

This fits with the number of proposed CS majors and persons completing CS majors increasing over time. When interest in CS increases, the number of CS majors rapidly increases, rather than making CS much more selective and keeping major totals similar. Some specific numbers listing the number of CS concentrators at Harvard by year are below. Harvard allowed the number of CS concentrators to quintuple over a period of ~10 years.

Number of CS Concentrators at Harvard
2009 – 93
2011 – 156
2013 – 279
2015 – 348
2017 – 453
2019 – 502

OP, I feel like you are trying to invent yourself in the image of the elusive successful applicant to a brand name university for an admissions committee. Being a teenager is all about trying different things, including identities, but in my experience this type of experimentation is for one’s own sake not to please some authority. I admired your entrepreneurial spirit upstream but the successful entrepreneurs I know, imagined themselves and their ideas beyond the constraints of family and society. You still seem very much stuck in your family and high school’s narrow ideas of success and achievement. I wish you well.

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but will being an environmental studies major + neuroscience with ecs pertaining to both and its intersection help me stand out?

im not doing it for some authority, im doing it to make a ton of money and flex on the kids who doubted me in hgih school

Here’s a little perspective even though I know you’re not really asking for it. Nobody will care what you do after high school. Everybody is busy leading their own lives. There will be some commotion about where everyone is going to college in senior year, which you don’t have to participate in if you don’t want to, and then everyone moves on and no one cares. High school is such a microcosm.

As far as neuroscience plus environmental science ECs. That sounds cutting edge and I for one would be interested to hear how they overlap.

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