<p>I think Rutgers perhaps is the most overrated school ever especially on CC, it’s a really good school but not good enough to make honorable mention for the top 10 public schools, its basically in the same category as schools like Pitt, Clemson, Texas A&M</p>
<p>Cornell is private–100%. Land grant does not mean state school.</p>
<p>I sort of have to agree with barrons. Why is UVA rated so highly?</p>
<p>are you kidding me, UVA is an excellent school that falls under the radar on CC, definitely a top 3 public school</p>
<p>^ No, I don’t think it’s right to say that Cornell is 100% private. It’s a peculiar public-private hybrid. True, Cornell itself is a private institution, but its four “statutory” or “contract” colleges are funded by the State of New York and are formal affiliates of the SUNY system, receiving money through the SUNY budget subject to terms specified in the contract and relevant statutes, but ultimately subject also to Cornell’s private operational control.</p>
<p>It’s like when a state Department of Education contracts with a private corporation or not-for-profit organization to run a charter school, paid for by the state. Would you say that’s “purely private”? I don’t think so. It’s a kind of public/private partnership. That’s what Cornell’s contract colleges are, neither “purely private” nor “purely public.” But the academic heavy hitters at Cornell, the colleges of engineering and arts & sciences, are purely private.</p>
<p>This really needs to be broken down in Sciences vs. Liberal Arts:</p>
<p>SCIENCES & or Engineering:</p>
<p>Berkeley
Michigan
UCLA/UCSD/Wisconsin/Illinois
North Carolina
Virginia
Georgia Tech
UC Davis</p>
<p>LIBERAL ARTS</p>
<p>Berkeley
William and Mary
Virginia
Michigan/UCLA/UNC
UCSD/UCSB/UCI
Miami of Ohio</p>
<p>I know UDub belongs in the bottom half somewhere on both, but I just don’t know enough about it to place it.</p>
<p>The following was taken off a Michigan vs. UVA thread</p>
<p>MICHIGAN
Selectivity rank = 18
mid-50% SAT range = 1220-1420
Top 10% of class = 92%</p>
<p>VIRGINIA
Selectivity rank = 28
mid-50% SAT range = 1200-1420
Top 10% of class = 87%</p>
<p>Department … U-M … UVa
Business(UG) … 3 … 9
Engineering(UG)…7 … 33
Math … 9 … 40
Computer Sci … 13 … 29
Biological Sci … 15 … 42
Chemistry … 16 … NR
Physics … 13 … 36
Economics … 11 … 27
History … 7 … 19
Poli Sci … 3 … 37
Psychology … 2 … 28
Sociology … 3 … 38
Education … 9 … 31
Medical School … 11 … 23</p>
<p>HUMANITIES</p>
<p>Subject…Mich…UVa
Art History… 11 … 16
History… 11 … 19
Philosophy… 7 … 42
Classics… 3 … 18
English… 16 … 4
French… 9 … 13
German… 21 … 8
Spanish… 13 … 5
Music… 9 … NR</p>
<p>I still don’t understand why UVA is rated so high, unless English and foreign languages are that important?</p>
<p>rj… I suspect it has to do with size… UVA is smaller than most Public Flagships, including Michigan, Berkeley and UCLA. Many people value smallness. the association with Jefferson doesn’t exactly hurt, either :)</p>
<p>rjkofnovi, where do these rankings come from, I don’t think US News ranks individual major programs for undergraduates (we are talking about undergrad majors here), if these are for graduate school, Michigan is a much bigger school than UVA which means more opportunities for graduate work. UVA is smaller so undergrad is probably much better there. Michigan is great for engineering and business, UVA is great for architecture, political science, humanities, environmental studies, it all depends what you’re looking for</p>
<p>“…but ultimately subject also to Cornell’s private operational control.”</p>
<p>That is the point. Cornell, not SUNY, is in control. SUNY’s gen ed.requirements are not applicable to Cornell land grant college students. Land grant college students do not pay SUNY tuition. It is much higher at Cornell, even for NY students. UUP, the SUNY professor’s union, will pay a scholarship for member’s children attending a SUNY. Not for Cornell students. SUNY has a common application. Not for Cornell students.</p>
<p>The only thing you can say is Cornell receives NY state funds and is subject to rules for land grant schools stated in the Morrill, Hatch and Smith-Lever Acts. These are federal acts. </p>
<p>By the way, the other private land grant college is MIT. Would you say it is a state school? </p>
<p>MIT is one of two private land-grant universities as well as a sea-grant and space-grant university.</p>
<p>You are right, sorry. I thought, however, for NY students at the colleges that operate on SUNY budget have an instate tuition. No?</p>
<p>They get an in-state tuition but it’s not as low as other SUNY’s. Technically there are a few colleges within Cornell that are considered state schools but they are not part of the SUNY system. Either way I wouldn’t count it as a public school because all the Ivies are private.</p>
<p>NY state Cornell land grant students receive a reduction in their Cornell tuition, room and board fee.</p>
<p>Cornell --$50,000+ Cornell land grant–$40,000+ SUNY–$15,000+ </p>
<p>Cornell land grant colleges are not considered state schools, accept by the uninformed.</p>
<p>Pierre, UVa is not “much” better than Michigan in any way. Michigan is better than UVa in the Sciences, Engineering and the Social Sciences and the two schools are roughly equal in Business and the Humanities. Overall, they are roughly equal for undergraduate education, with the slight advantage going to Michigan because it is more well rounded.</p>
<p>Berkeley
Michigan
UVA
UNC
UCLA
Ga Tech
Wisconsin
Illinois
Texas
Maryland</p>
<p>(Omitted W&M intentionally)</p>
<p>No way WM is not as good as Illinois or Maryland. Probably better than Texas, also.</p>
<p>I respectfully disagree, UVA is definitely much better than Michigan</p>
<p>I didn’t realize that Wisconsin is so much better than Maryland. It makes me happy that I applied to UW over UM because I kind of regretted my decision. But why isn’t Indiana on any of these lists, I know it isn’t ranked so well on US News but after Michigan, UVA, Berkeley, Texas, and UNC (in that order) it has the best undergraduate business school and many other really good programs. I’m also surprised that no one mentioned Binghamton but Geneseo was mentioned. I thought Binghamton was the best SUNY.</p>
<p>No real order, but here are my top 7:</p>
<p>UNC
Michigan
UVA
UCLA
UC-B
W&M
UGA</p>
<p>well GossipGirl, after the top 5 public colleges: UC-Berkeley, UNC, UVA, Michigan, William & Mary (in no particular order) it gets pretty fuzzy as to what is ranked higher in reality.</p>
<p>I’m sure that someone can make a case that Pittsburgh is a better school than Penn State, Florida is better than Wisconsin, Indiana is better than Maryland and on and on, it all depends on what your major/area of interest in. As you mentioned, business, if you are looking to go into that then Indiana would be a top 5 public school on your business list. I’m planning on doing engineerig so my top 5 public schools would include Purdue, Georgia Tech and Virginia Tech (along with UC-Berkeley, Michigan or Illinois)</p>