UCB Appeal Results

Transfer Students
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if your percentages are based off previous years, then you are punishing those who already have a good and steady admittance of minorities.</p>

<p>say for example, santa barbara allowed 10 black people in last year, and berkeley only allowed 5. now this year SB allowed 15 in and berkeley allowed in 10. suddenly sb is racist for their percentage is only a 50% increase to berkeley's 100%! o gosh darn those racists!

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You completely missed everything. These are numbers for applicants, not admits.</p>

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<p>ooooo, well in that case, the high african % is simply due to proximty, ie oakland, berkeley</p>

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ooooo, well in that case, the high african % is simply due to proximty, ie oakland, berkeley

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Nicopico was trying to say that minorities are showing a lack of interest in Cal.</p>

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<p>Thanks g1a2b3e for the data. :) I guess it all boils down to perspective. While the 06 numbers are encouraging, the data is a bit misleading because the number of applicants was up drastically across the board for '06. For example, despite that 21.9% increase you cite for African American applicants at UCB, the percentage of UCB applicants identifying themselves as Black was 4.9% in 2006 which is actually lower than the 5.0% rate in 2003 (I know it's negligible haha). </p>

<p>But that is beside the point.</p>

<p>My claim that minorities are not showing as much interest in Berkeley is based on current applicant data (04-06) compared to the same kind of data from 1997 and prior years. <a href="http://www.ucop.edu/ucophome/commserv/press/tableuc.html%5B/url%5D"&gt;http://www.ucop.edu/ucophome/commserv/press/tableuc.html&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p>

<p>Blacks for example, applied to Berkeley at a 11-16% higher rate compared to their rate for the 9 UC's combined between '95 and '97. Black applicants were clearly biased towards Berkeley in those years. </p>

<p>But from '04 to '06, Blacks are only applying to Berkeley at rates 4-6% higher than their overall rate for the 10 UC campuses and I don't think Merced is responsible for that. As I said before, I'm not trying to disprove anyone--just trying to clarify why I made my previous claim.</p>

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While the 06 numbers are encouraging, the data is a bit misleading because the number of applicants was up drastically across the board for '06.

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You didn't read my full post? I mentioned that. I compared Berkeley's overall growth percentage with the growth percentages of minority applicants.

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My claim that minorities are not showing as much interest in Berkeley is based on current applicant data (04-06) compared to the same kind of data from 1997 and prior years. <a href="http://www.ucop.edu/ucophome/commse...ss/tableuc.html%5B/url%5D%5B/quote%5D"&gt;http://www.ucop.edu/ucophome/commse...ss/tableuc.html

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I looked at that and mentioned it. </p>

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Blacks for example, applied to Berkeley at a 11-16% higher rate compared to their rate for the 9 UC's combined between '95 and '97. Black applicants were clearly biased towards Berkeley in those years.

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EXTREMELY, EXTREMELY DUBIOUS. Whereas before you mentioned looking at overall growth rates, you seem to ignore that here. During the years that you cite as the "dropout" years for African American applicants to Berkeley compared to other UCs, you don't realize that those were astronomical growth years for the "other UCs." Blacks applied to Berkeley at a higher rate in 95-97 because the overall rate for Berkeley was much higher compared to the other UCs. Then, in the years that follow, Berkeley was stagnant while the other UCs ballooned. Black applicants WERE biased towards Berkeley in those years, along with all other applicants!

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But from '04 to '06, Blacks are only applying to Berkeley at rates 4-6% higher than their overall rate for the 10 UC campuses and I don't think Merced is responsible for that. As I said before, I'm not trying to disprove anyone--just trying to clarify why I made my previous claim.

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Again, dubious. You said Berkeley has a huge crisis that the other UCs don't; I listed other UCs, such as Santa Barbara, that had a 7% rate while Berkeley had a 21% rate. Clearly, there is no unique crisis at Berkeley.</p>

<p>But I really think all these numbers are dubious, EXCEPT for the overall diversity numbers, actual students at the UCs. These clearly show that there is no crisis at Berkeley since Berkeley is not even close to having the fewest minority students of the UCs.</p>

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<p>If we debate this right, we'd have to take demographics, population growth, and a slew of other data into account and I ain't goin there on a Friday morning. Let's just agree to disagree for the time being... :D </p>

<p>(Ironically, the facts that you point out and the numbers you refer to are ones that support my position imo)</p>