<p>In that case I may advise D to take less demanding (but still UF admissions GPA classes) up front.</p>
<p>For example: BSC 1020, Human Biology (sounds academic), or maybe “ace” College Algebra (MAC 1105, sounds academic too) even though she could place out of it.</p>
<p>Seems “weak” to me that UF will count similar “mickey mouse” classes in their GPA but not in D’s UF admissions GPA.</p>
<p>If at all possible (since she’s thinking about engineering), she’ll want her “extra” classes to count toward her Social & Behavioral Science or Humanities requirements. That would be a few less classes she would need to take (and pay) at UF. Even if it doesn’t impact her GPA for admissions…</p>
<p>If D enters UF with her AA from DSC (a Florida CC) wouldn’t that guaranty satisfaction of UF GE requirements (I thought that was a law, or something).</p>
<p>Also, I gather an AA at admissions frees the applicant from the summer session prior to junior year (could be, in theory, her first year as a Gator).</p>
<p>I’m looking for reasons to encourage (or not) D to get her AA while still in HS.</p>
<p>If she has at least 60 credits, before entering UF, she doesn’t have to attend a summer term.</p>
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<p>If she’s already met the GE requirements as part of her AA, then that should work for UF (since UF must accept all of these “GE” classes for transfer credit).</p>
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<p>Note that some majors require or recommend specific general education courses, but I can’t think of any engineering majors that require a specific GE class…</p>
<p>Seems fishy to me that FL mandates a GE distribution but UF will not include grades from all of those classes (like dance appreciation) in their “academics only” admissions GPA.</p>
<p>Perhaps I can get a list of the college classes (by class number) that UF includes in UF Admissions GPA. I’ll give them a call.</p>
<p>I’ll also look for the “State Mandated” GE requirements.</p>
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<p>(DSC) General Education Core</p>
<p>The state-mandated 36 hours of general education are distributed in the following areas:</p>
<p>You are overcomplicating things. UF could care less about whether or not your daughter knows how to appreciate dance or weave a basket. They don’t want a GPA that has been “fluffed” up, they want a GPA that represents a student’s academic performance in such classes as math, sciences, etc.</p>
<p>Don’t entering freshman with an AA have to declare a major and apply to a specific college, and also have the pre-professional classes for that major, just like a transfer? If that’s true, she needs to keep that in mind when choosing DE classes, right?</p>
<p>^^^correct. A call to admissions will clear up most of these questions. It seems (to me at least) that some of the AA in high school stuff is a bit confusing.</p>
<p>I can see how HS driver’s ed, (or some other non academic HS class) wouldn’t be counted by UF in their admissions GPA, but I don’t understand how UF could fail to include a CC course that would satisfy a state mandated GE requirement - but I’ve been surprised before.</p>
<p>I think I have determined that:</p>
<p>"General Education Section 1007.25, Florida Statutes, mandates that Florida colleges and universities identify 36 hours of general education in the areas of communication, mathematics, social sciences, humanities, and natural sciences. In addition, Chapter 6A-10.024, F.A.C./BOG Articulation Resolution, further stipulates that “After a state university or Florida college has published its general education core curriculum, the integrity of that curriculum shall be recognized by the other public postsecondary institutions.”</p>
<p>General education programs in Florida, while constant at 36 hours for completion, vary widely in the selection of required courses. Students who transfer with an associate in arts or associate in science degree, or who have completed their block of 36 general education hours do not have to meet the receiving institution’s general education program requirements."</p>
<p>This sez to me that even if D fail to get her AA prior to HS graduation that completing the 36 credit GE requirement (and getting that on her CC transcript would) be a plus.</p>
<p>I also read that the UF (or other FL university) grad requirements would be set at the date the student starts CC (continuous) instruction - FYI.</p>
<p>I just transferred in with my AA. With the AA, all my GE credits are considered to be met even though the ones required for my AA weren’t the same as the ones UF requires (I have more than enough English credits and too few science credits for example). If I had transferred in without the AA, I still would have been responsible for earning any of the UF required general ed credits that I didn’t get at my state college. With the AA I am also exempt from the summer attendance requirement and the “What is the Good Life?” requirement. Of course this is completely different from the gpa calculation. As a transfer student ALL the classes I took counted in my gpa…even if UF didn’t accept them towards my degree. A freshman with an AA will have a different system since their HS GPA is counted as well and mine was not.</p>
<p>ucsb82 - I think you are overthinking things but the Florida Counseling for Future Education Handbook - is what UF uses - only DE courses that fall under Math, English, Science, Social Science, Foreign Language</p>
I thought I’d follow up by reporting that the Student Self-Reported Academic Record (SSAR) requires all Duel-Enrollment courses/grades be included.
From this I assume that all of D’s completed DE grades will factor into her UF GPA, in any case, all DE classes are required to be listed on the SSAR. Non academic classes, like HS dance class, were not to be included.
In D’s case, since she won’t won’t be completing some of her less rigorous DE classes (Dance Appreciation, ARH1000, or Human Nutrition, HUN1201) until after the November application deadline she won’t get the benefit of those “easy A’s” on her pre-decision UF GPA.
AP and IB > DE credit. Just more rigorous and a 4 or 5 in an AP exam demonstrates mastery and is a set national standard whereas classes at state colleges can vary widely. Many kids from our area show up to UF with solid AP work and are well prepared. The kids who chose dual enrollment especially for math and science are at a distinct disadvantage.Of course this all depends on what is available to your daughter.Just speaking from experience.