No different than here in CA.
Cal and UCLA, being the most elite of the elite UC’s, use holistic review of all applications and will generally prefer first gen and Pell grant students. Affluent Caucasian and Asian students in my “neighborhood” also complain about being shut out from Cal and UCLA as they are “relegated” to “mid tier” (yes, they’re excellent schools too) UCSD, UCSB, UCD, UCSC, etc.
Directly from the UMich website:
https://admissions.umich.edu/apply/freshmen-applicants/selection-process
But what isn’t being discussed is how many fewer students are being admitted from the Michigan high schools that usually send a good percentage (10-15%) of their graduating seniors on to Michigan. Local counselors are telling us that they have never seen such low acceptance rates (of top kids) in previous years. It would have been nice to know that UM planned on making admissions much harder for kids at these schools so they could have planned accordingly (and saved some money for out-of-state tuition for those that applies to).
The trend of lower instate acceptance has actually been happening for around 3 years or so. So… I with my son have been through this with Georgia Tech and it went till like mid July but he was already accepted OOS to Michigan and really didn’t care anymore about GT. But his parents (me) just wanted to see what the possibilities would be. This was not only wrong but really stupid on our part and just put absolutely undo stress on my son when we would talk to him about it. He would be like… “I am good, not going to GT so get over it” to us… So been there, done that…
There were around 434 acceptances off the wait list last year. I really feel that, that number will be lower this year. It just seems that there were more acceptances and mostly admits in EA
I have no proof but all the tea leaves point to this. Also getting off the wait list is like getting hit by lightening… Twice ?.
Also once you are not accepted EA you are now considered RD. Many forget this and the decisions just start anew.
Yes, the suggestion of letting the head of admission know your feeling is great. They did change some things this year. Even though everything worked out for us, I did email admission to let them know how unhappy people on here were.
It would also be great if they could be some more transparent on their selection process with wait list. Yes, I posted a link on this but maybe something more
There has to be a rhyme and reason why they do that they do. I can assure you it’s not to piss people off.
For us the school is worth every penny. I really do hope things work out for the best for everyone here.
@3xUMichAlum I’ve posted this statistic a few times, in different UMich threads, so everyone please bare with me.
For the last 3 years, according to the CDS, the OOS admission rate at UMich has decreased. As a %, more in-staters are enrolling at UMich:
Also, the acceptance rates for both OOS and in-state have been declining, just like many other top institutions. Someone reported back from orientation this summer and said UMich received more than 70,000 applications. If true:
So, 32,000 (40,000-8,000) of those EA applications were either deferred to RD or rejected. We have no statistics for how many EA applications were rejected and deferred.
Using the microcosm that is CC (as you like to do), there wasn’t one person that was in the EA pool that announced they’ve received a rejection. Even going back two years prior, there is very little evidence of this happening in the small universe sample that is CC (granted not everyone would want to announce that either, even under a pseudonym). My belief still is that most were just pushed over, and most likely because the Admissions staff is not appropriately staffed to review the large volume of EA applications in a short period of time.
If most of these students truly didn’t stand a chance (after 3 plus reviews according to the UM Admissions website), they should’ve been granted the courtesy of a rejection upfront. I know you want to paint a rosy picture about the UM Admissions process, but obviously people are upset about how they’ve been strung along by reading through these posts.
One more thing to consider is that UMich is trying to increase diversity:
https://www.michigandaily.com/section/campus-life/umich-fail-racial-equity
True, to the best of my memory, but students and parents here on CC, as a microcosm, skew high, very high.
But let’s go with the premise that most of the EA applicants were deferred. Let’s say ALL 32,000 were deferred for simplicity. Add those 32,000 deferred applicants to the pool of RD (post 11/01/2017) applicants of 26,000 (66,000-40,000) and the total RD applicant pool for the Class of 2022 was 58,000 applications. UMich accepted 8,000 (rounded) addtional applicants from the RD pool of that 58,000 for an acceptance rate of 14% (rounded). Though, I’ll bet the acceptance rate was much much higher, since I doubt UMich deferred 100% of those 32,000 deferred applications to RD.
So, here’s the question (rhetorical). Would you rather have an EA rejection or a 14+% chance at an admission? Me, I’ll take the 14+% chance at admission in RD, because: a) EA demonstrates interest (more so than RD post-11/1, IMO), which is considered per the CDS and b) speculating here, the EA deferred RD app on average is going to be a higher stat more qualified app and would have a higher chance of admission than your post 11/1 RD app.
But that’s just me and I’m spitballin’ here. 
You missed my point. There are clearly people in the EA pool that have no shot at an acceptance and if this was the case for me, I would absolutely want to know sooner rather than 6 months later.
For those that are still awaiting a decision, I just spoke to Kelsey in Admissions and the University’s target is to have all decision emails out by the end of this week or early next week at the latest.
No, I didn’t. You’re making a big assumption that most/many deferred applicants had “clearly no shot.” And I think it’s bad assumption, because after reading, monitoring and commenting on the EA and Deferred threads here on CC and also on Reddit, I can’t remember any posters with “clearly no shot.” Strike that, I do remember one student who posted a rejection (post #1465, if my notes are correct), but that student had a GPA of 3.4 (the most important factor for UMich admission) and he/she was rejected.
Otherwise, most of the students or parents who posted on CC (or Reddit) posted GPA’s of 3.70-4.00 and had SAT’s of 1,400-1,600 and ACT’s of 28-36. And I would NOT assume anyone with these stats would have “clearly no shot.” Because most were admitted with these stats.
OTOH, I do think there are some students who “clearly have no shot” and they’re rejected.
@sushiritto I appreciate all of your posts. My point was not that they are accepting MORE OOS students. It’s that they are no longer admitting as many instate students from top instate schools as everyone locally is used to. And they have given no guidance to students, nor schools, related to their decision to reduce the yield of kids from top Michigan schools (possibly to provide more opportunities for lesser represented instate schools.
@3xUMichAlum FWIW, the UC’s did/do NOT offer Californians any notification, either by letter or via school counselors, that acceptances for in-staters will be decreasing. All we get is a news story from said school that publicizes that applications are up and acceptance rates are down. And we weren’t made aware of that first gen and Pell grant students will get an admissions bump over affluent white and Asian students., other than stories in the news, like the one I posted above for UMich.
My point is that UMich is getting a bad rap, when there are other universities doing the exact same thing.
For our family, our distaste and exhaustion with Michigan admissions is their implicit denials throughout the process.
For many, if not most schools, you will hear from them a max of 3 times:
For Michigan, for the majority who apply early, you can be one of the lucky ones who gets in EA but if not:
So in the end, my child will have been given 2 explicit messages from Michigan and 4 implicit messages. It’s the implicit messaging that grates on my kids (my older one went through the same thing with the school and there were even more waves the year he applied). Every time there is another wave and you don’t hear anything, it feels like a denial from the school. And the kids know because they are watching their friends or acquaintances getting in ahead of them.
At no point did my family feel like any school owed us an admission for our kids - they were certainly well qualified with grades, test scores, extracurriculars, etc. They applied to schools that were well within reach based on the metrics (minus the diversity factor). But no other school made them feel so crappy through the process. You can post Michigan’s website info which we all read, understood and accepted - but that doesn’t take away from the fact that Michigan strings along thousands of kids with it’s multitude of waves and implicit messaging and makes them feel badly about the process.
And if the waitlist came through for my son he would be there in a second which is why Michigan can get away with their admissions process.
@momoftwoboys1. Copy /Paste that last post to the head of admission. They should know how you feel. It’s important.
@mstack. I talked to the same person last week and posted it here that they will be done deciding by the end of June(just as it is stated on their website) . But I would expect something to go out on Friday/Saturday and a trickle till the end of the month.
@sushiritto Where did I say many/most? I said there are those in there who clearly won’t be offered and in my view if that’s the case, tell me now. That’s how I feel which is what you posed the question to me on.
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I’m just frustrated bc if i am ultimately denied then ive spent the last like 3+ months waiting and hoping. Especially during this waitlist period it’s hard to see so many people stressed like I am. Wishing everyone the best of luck tho!!
@Momof2boys1
“At no point did my family feel like any school owed us an admission for our kids - they were certainly well qualified with grades, test scores, extracurriculars, etc. They applied to schools that were well within reach based on the metrics (minus the diversity factor). But no other school made them feel so crappy through the process. You can post Michigan’s website info which we all read, understood and accepted - but that doesn’t take away from the fact that Michigan strings along thousands of kids with it’s multitude of waves and implicit messaging and makes them feel badly about the process. And if the waitlist came through for my son he would be there in a second which is why Michigan can get away with their admissions process.”
I could not have said it any better. 100% yes to all of this. We live in California and my son was waitlisted/rejected from all of the UCs that he applied to despite being “well qualified.” But somehow they managed to do it in a way that didn’t leave such an awful, sour taste in all of our mouths.
Does anyone know what the predicted time/date the last wave should be coming out?
Before 5:00 pm Eastern time is my “guess”. But the true end of the month is Sunday. Good Luck to everyone. Be excited where you are going to now. I am sure it’s great. To get off this WL is like pure luck. Whatever the outcome, go out and celebrate your next adventure with your family. Ice cream sounds good ???