As for “limited sample size,” that’s a matter of opinion. I’ve gone through many hundreds of acceptances, waitlisted and rejection posts, going back several years (4-5 years). I’ve seen worse sample sizes. :))
@CO1234 Parents provide prior admissions experience, say like reminding current seniors and their parents with helpful hints like the infamous “disappearing decision tab” or data from prior classes. Parents provide valuable insight, which some find helpful. Obviously, you don’t, but I believe there’s an “ignore button” on this site, if you prefer not to read my posts.
BTW, I actually happen to have another kid (HS Class of 2021) getting ready for the long arduous admissions process and I want to increase my knowledge for my ‘21. So maybe, after launching my ‘21, it’ll be “time to let it go.” Until then, :D/
Technically, everyone left is RD. But, to answer your question, both.
BTW, acceptances from 2 or 3 “post-11/01/18” RD applicants, from the 2/1 “wave,” were already posted on the Class of 2023 RD thread.
The mixture of pre-11/1 and post-11/1 RD would be a great piece of info to know, but I’ve speculated in the past that pre-11/1 RD applicants should get a bump for showing more “demonstrated interest.”
Probs not. Hard to find the Jorge acceptance true at such a random time. I would hope it is, but it is a little nutty that it happened at such a random time…
There is no reason to disbelieve Jorge. It’s sometimes harder to stand by and accept group behavior that doesn’t tolerate anything outside the norm because it doesn’t fit their reality principle. Jorge is doing what many posters do when they learn they get it. They are happy to be accepted. Sharing their experience etc.
Besides stuff happens. At the BC thread apparently one department got out ahead of admissions and let on to a stream of kids that let the likely decision out weeks ahead of time. Did someone end up accepted before a final decision by BC was actually made? Maybe? Stuff Happens!
Kids get into reach schools all the time. Let them rejoice. No one is looking to steal your thunder. Why look to question theirs.
One thing I’ve learned in life is that often people who appreciate the opportunity excel over those spoiled into a situation with some feeling of entitlement.
We’re debating opinions. And there will be no agreement. CC is not a debate society. Let’s move on from the topic already.
@kurudj While we can hope for a “wave” today, I don’t think it’s likely. However, if we hear of a few disappearing decision tabs, then it’s very possible. Yesterday, one student in the RD thread posted that their tab disappeared, but the disappearing tab phenomena can take place over a longer period of time, anywhere from hours to over a week. If it were me, and I’m like many of you, I’d check tonight at Midnight EST, just for the heck of it. But Friday 3/1 is most likely for the next “wave.” Good luck!
I agree opinions are like TVs. Everyone has one. You cannot prove or disprove much on a message thread. I’ve found the college web pages are all over the place and reading tab leaves is mysterious fun at best. Waking at Midnight?
So let’s get back to catching Waves. For now Jorge caught a mini Wave. Now let’s hope for the best for everyone here still looking to get accepted at U of M.
It’s not when the Wave comes so much it’s more about the bottom line. Being Accepted. Fortunately Stats don’t matter as much in this Holistic World we live in.
There clearly is a high ratio of those that would qualify if decisions were strictly based on stats. Leading to a lottery deciding ones fate. I would much rather have someone reading essays and looking at more than stats in picking people like Jorge rather than a stats obsessed print out.
The part I don’t get is the fact that any decisions at all are released at any time other than the announced dates by U of M admissions.
“Early Action decisions will be released no later than December 24th; Regular review decisions are released in April.”
Why the inconsistency with any Waves big or Small?
I personally agree with the semi-rolling nature of things and I am guessing it allows them to pick off the top applicants to capture them early. I can also see how it might allow the college to make any merit offers early on and again getting out in front with scholarship considerations.
Anyone EA or RD accepted among these out of sync Waves receive any specific Merit Scholarship?
Whoa! I haven’t been on in a few days, and this blew up. What @dtrain1027 said is correct. An applicant can say whatever he wants with no consequences for himself if he does not follow through. There’s no prior or future relationship. The GC, on the other hand, has to maintain a good relationship, so there’s more at stake for the GC to make a false statement than for the student to do so. @Nhatrang
Then your GCs are not doing their job optimally. Part of the job of a guidance office is to advocate on behalf of the students in their college admissions quest. I hear what you are saying about teaching kids to advocate for themselves. But this is a different situation. Sure, the applicants can write LOCI and do whatever is appropriate to advocate for their own application, but at the same time it is the GC’s job to help individual students AND the overall record of the school in college admissions. Because the results are the gift that keeps on giving. The more students from the HS that are admitted to college X in 2019, the more that will be admitted in future years. They create a track record.
The size of the “waves” are determined by yield of previous “waves.” I think the yield from the EA announcement back in December and the yield of the recent “2/1 wave” will probably determine the size of next wave, which I/we think will be Friday 3/1.
It sounds like some of you enjoy some wonderfully active/proactive guidance counselors!
And I’m starting to wonder if GCs represent yet another uneven playing field for applicants to competitive colleges. At my S’s strong charter school the (sole) GC is also a high school science teacher, and she does all the college advising for a class of 80 or so (all of whom are required to be admitted to a four-year college to graduate). I’m guessing she’s already got a pretty heavy load handling all the paperwork requests and putting on the occasional “how to fill out the FAFSA” night.
It certainly can make for an uneven playing field at Ivy’s and other top colleges. For sure.
Also, not only can GC’s from both public and private schools call AO’s to advocate for a student under their charge, but then there are also the privately-hired GC’s, which some parents/students utilize that may make calls on behalf of their clients. These private GC’s also have existing relationships with AO’s around the country too. I’m not saying that a GC with a load of 100+ kids can do it, or at least often, but advocacy situations arise every year at schools.
My kids go/went to a very large public high school, so I’ve got to assume calls to AO’s aren’t made very often. Case loads are too big.
Interesting discussion indeed. Our HS is relative small (300 seniors). The GCs are very good, but very firm on certain policy/principle. I like it since it’s aligned with my belief as well. There seems to be such a distrust between UM and the students, and such a strong desire to protect the yield rate.
Anecdotally, my friend who is a AO at an ivy league (we live 20 mins from the school). Over the years he always complained about GC/teacher overstepped in trying to get their (“favorite”) students admitted. He said it’s the most annoying thing, and the easiest way to dismiss the applicant when they hide behind the GC/teacher or someone whom they thought was more “credible” than them. And that it couldn’t be further from the truth. He said If you (GC) feel strongly about a student, put your BEST work on the rec letter and we will go from there. And contrary to the “conventional wisdom” of CC, he said if a student being relentless (could be a number of things, from calling to sending more information), although it can be annoying, but they LOVE students with such tenacity, fight for your own survival. Of course the student has to be able to speak well and show additional impressive information, not just being relentless for the sake of being annoying lol. And in the past they had admitted such students who were otherwise on the borderline. Apparently this Ivy trusts the student’s words and everyone else be damned!
Hearing those stories from the first hand person over the years, had our GC offered to call UM for DD, she would scream NO PLEASE STOP I WILL DO IT MYSELF!
@sushiritto - thanks for making your “Ignore” comment. Although I don’t see a “button” I was able to find the option to ignore posters by name in my settings preferences. Very cool to know!
There should be a button to make it easier - I’ve been on CC for years, first with everything to learn for my D who graduated HS in 2017, and who wanted to go through the Acting BFA process, which is NOT normal at all. I continued to lurk and help as I could after that to “pay back” others on CC for all the valuable advice and insight I literally could not have done without!
Now, I’m the parent of S19 and have learned so much all over again, since my son shocked us by wanting to apply to CoEs once he finally stopped being “undecided.” I think CC is actually mainly for parents, who are trying to guide their often-clueless students through a very important and expensive process, and while often things have to be read with lots of grains of salt, for me the good far-outweighs the bad.
That said, it’s good to know about the ignore option, because life is much sweeter when you can avoid something you might find unhelpful.
I haven’t used the “ignore button” here on CC yet, but I’ve come close once. So, I apologize if I didn’t give you the proper instructions.
Nothing to do with UMich, but one example of how this site helped my '18 was that I would have never known about including middle school algebra and geometry grades on the Cal Poly SLO app. Students who miss putting those classes in their app lose MCA points, an index which determines whether or not an application is accepted or rejected. Without that important knowledge, my '18 would have lost critical application points. And you see lots of posts from parents and students missing those middle school math classes on the CP SLO thread each year. So, CC is very informative!
So, I apologize if I didn’t give you the proper instructions.