There is an outside likelihood that students currently planning on attending UM may still be on waitlists at other schools, so it is possible things could move as other schools work though those.
UMich announced their schedule for the fall and so now families can make decisions and UMich will know soon who is coming or not. Thus waitlists may see some activity but who knows to what degree given they already have accepted and have committed families greater than in years past to give themselves some cushion should some decide not to go. Good luck!!
what is the fall plan?
Here is a link
https://news.umich.edu/u-m-will-offer-in-person-classes-this-fall-guided-by-public-health-experts/
UMich announced their school schedule.
No Fall break. Thanksgiving break will start the Friday 5:00 PM before Thanksgiving. The remainder of the Fall semester, after Thanksgiving, is remote learning. The last Fall Final is 12/18 and then students go back for the Winter semester the Tuesday after MLK Day.
Sounds great to me! I like it a lot. Good luck everyone.
Oh and no Spring break.
Yep. The kid likes it. They also are giving students a choice of going back to school or remote learning from home. Because of that I just don’t see alot of fall off from where they are. They are leaving it up to the students to decide what type of learning they want to have.
And according to the AD, there won’t be any more than 50% capacity for football games this Fall. Capacity could be 20%, 30%, 40%, etc. No decision has been made, except full capacity isn’t an option.
That assumes no second wave. Or at least no wave until Thanksgiving. May not turn out that way. It sounds like a nice schedule unless you get sick. But glad they have a plan. Fingers crossed for all students.
The article has poor logic – they’re saying this is a circumstance we’ve never seen before, but they’re going to assume everything plays out exactly as it has before?
To assume that the yield on deposits will be as high as it has been in the past is foolish. With more waitlist movement everywhere, it’s safe to assume that the number of people who have made deposits and will forfeit them is higher than in the past, no? So the numbers should be overstated even before you calculate people who defer or choose a gap year or can’t get a visa, etc.
I don’t know if that’s true. People have had since March to think about their decision in terms and f gap year or which college they prefer. I don’t think this announcement will make a big difference. My friend was accepted to Harvard on ivy day and immediately applied for a gap year. If someone gets into Yale, they will drop UVA or some other school they see as lesser. I think these announcements have very little impact at this point. It’s sort of a done deal.
I think your logic makes sense in a normal year, but this is very far from a normal year.
My son was admitted off of the UM waitlist in April, and for that, I am eternally grateful. I am also glad that he will be able to be in Ann Arbor in the fall. However, as part of the plan for the fall semester, LSA announced that all classes with more than 45 students enrolled may be fully online. I assume that most of the “intro” courses that many freshmen will inevitably take will have more than 45 students. While I am excited for my son to attend UM, I am not all that excited by the prospect of him sitting in his dorm room to take most of his classes this fall. As an out-of-state student, the $50k tuition is a lot of money to be taking classes online. I understand why they are doing it, and I don’t have any better solutions to offer given the unique times in which we are living. I guess the only real alternative would be to take a gap year, and I don’t see my son wanting to do that.
I think there will be more students than usual who choose to take a gap year given the circumstances. I think some of those students will not make their decisions until much later than in a typical year.
I think international students are the real wildcard this year. I think there are going to be some parents of international students who are going to be fearful about sending their children thousands of miles to the U.S. given the prevalence of the Covid-19 virus and the recent nationwide social unrest. Add to that the suspension of HB-1 visas through the end of the year, the possibility of student visas being suspended, and the increasing tensions between the U.S. and Chinese governments. All of that causes significant uncertainty for international students and their parents. I would not be surprised to see international students apply for gap years or withdraw altogether throughout the summer. With the facts changing seemingly on a daily basis, who knows what the future holds.
Even though alot of your kids classes will be larger not all of them will be. I think in Calc 2 there were like 20 students per section or something like that. Plus these larger groups will breakdown to smaller groups to be held “live” is what I am hearing to some degree. Labs should be held in smaller sections also. I think with staggered classes, meal times etc they are doing the best they can. We are OOS also. My senior son had the online classes that were rushed in 3 days. Most of it was good but yes some of it sucked. They have had awhile to come up with a plan. There are also segments of the university that were planning on online classes in different forms but are now rushed to put that into action. The Center of Academic Innovation on campus has pilot studies that they had planned for sometime. I think the forward thinking of the school in general will help through this transition.
Michigan already took into account the international students. It’s a real dilemma and concern and really sad for those students. This will be for the whole year. Don’t think after Winter break that things will be “normal” this is the new normal with hybrid educations to some degree.
On another note…Michigan just canceled the Presidential Debate to be held on campus in October. They don’t want the excess people on campus. They are taking this seriously.
I just don’t think the announcement of this plan will make a difference. If parents are sending their oos kids to Michigan, parents from other countries will if they can get in. Or they will do it online. I think a few people will drop out, but mostly people are still committing to their best options. So if someone gets Brown and they like it better than umich, someone here will get a spot. I do think colleges should put some deadlines in place for deferring and the like. People need to decide already.
Guys, Nobody has mentioned this fact. UMich has got a Top 10 Endowment ($12 Billion). The only other Public School better than them is Texas A&M ($13 Billion). These colleges can take a financial hit for a year rather than Brown, Cornell, Dartmouth, Rice, Vanderbilt, Notre Dame, WashU etc etc etc.
Another example: cousin turned down instate UIUC for umich. Wanted to get away from home, etc. now my uncle is unhappy paying $70k for online classes and minimal college life. But it’s a done deal. They already gave up UIUC which would’ve cost them a quarter of the price. Colleges know this. People knew it too. So these announcements will have less effect than people think. Might’ve made a difference 3 months ago.
@tintintoo they will not be willing to take a hit to their endowment. That is why they are opening and giving you the choice. Either put off college or pay to live on campus doing online college. They will fill with as many as they need to make it work
Notre Dame I take back… but here you go:
Harvard University (MA) $39,233,736,000 2
Yale University (CT) $29,444,936,000 3 (tie)
Stanford University (CA) $26,464,912,000 6 (tie)
Princeton University (NJ) $25,438,300,000 1
Massachusetts Institute of Technology $16,400,027,000 3 (tie)
University of Pennsylvania $13,777,441,000 6 (tie)
Texas A&M University—College Station $12,688,560,784 70 (tie)
University of Michigan—Ann Arbor $11,733,013,000 25 (tie)
University of Notre Dame (IN) $11,065,058,000 15 (tie)
Columbia University (NY) $10,869,245,000 3 (tie)
@Knowsstuff, thanks for the insight regarding your rising senior son. It is helpful information. With regard to your point about UM already having taken into account the international students, I think it remains to be seen. I agree that the move they made to the waitlist in April clearly contemplated a higher declination rate by international students. However, I think it would have been nearly impossible for UM Admissions to model in April for these unprecedented times and the ever-changing facts. While Covid was prevalent in April, the social unrest had not yet started.
@Caligorilla, I don’t know whether you are a student or a parent. I understand your point, but I don’t think you are looking at this situation from the point of view of a parent living in China. Sending your child from Mainland China to UM is very different than sending your kid from Illinois or Cali to UM.
There have been no riots in my suburban town. But, if all you see and hear about what is going on in the US is gleaned exclusively from CNN, FOX, MSNBC or, even worse, the Chinese Gov’t, then you may have a perception that things in the U.S. are horrendous. I’m not sure every Chinese (or Asian) parent is going to want to send their student to the US at this moment in time. It does not matter whether their perception is true or not. Perception becomes reality, and loving parents (of any nationality) may not want to allow their child to travel to a place halfway around the world if they perceive it to be horrendous or unsafe.
Endowment are misunderstood. I also thought with Michigan’s endowment things are great. The problem is that they are already assigned for what they can be used for by the donors. Some schools will allow like 10% of their endowments to be used for general stuff. But if I gave Michigan $100,000 (never gonna happen…LOL) and I said it can be used only for the Children Hospital, then it can’t be used for anything else…
These are unprecedented times. You are not correct here! There will be all kind of flexibility allowed.